Cloud vs Sephiroth
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Makoeyes987
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The only reason Cloud was still standing was out of sheer will and his spirit energy. The reason he probably had trouble standing was his foot and knee. Sephiroth had to have hit his ligaments. There's no way he couldn't have. The blade passes right through his foot and knee.
It definitely is as bad as it looks, if we assume Cloud is a human being with human physiology. The only reason he kept up was out of sheer will power. Cloud is clearly no ordinary human, but he still *is* human. If he didn't have that limit break to keep him going and his own strength he'd have been dead the minute he fell on the Masamune.
About Zack, I don't think Zack did anything. Zack offers to help but Cloud refuses. Clearly Zack empowered Cloud to never give up and keep fighting. That was the message he gave him. Cloud only got healed or what not by Aerith's rain. Remember, that rain that fell on him is the same water that comes from the Church that healed all his wounds. Clearly it was helping.
It definitely is as bad as it looks, if we assume Cloud is a human being with human physiology. The only reason he kept up was out of sheer will power. Cloud is clearly no ordinary human, but he still *is* human. If he didn't have that limit break to keep him going and his own strength he'd have been dead the minute he fell on the Masamune.
About Zack, I don't think Zack did anything. Zack offers to help but Cloud refuses. Clearly Zack empowered Cloud to never give up and keep fighting. That was the message he gave him. Cloud only got healed or what not by Aerith's rain. Remember, that rain that fell on him is the same water that comes from the Church that healed all his wounds. Clearly it was helping.
Dashell
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Yes I agree, and I take back what I said. It was as bad as it looked, but I forgot about the rain thingy. That probably started to heal him so he was able to stand there like that. And yes being a One Piece fan I suppose I've seen my share of "OMG they're on the verge of death HOLY SHIT HE JUST DID JET GATLING/STORM/WHATEVER THAT WAS GREAT!"
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I still think next time Seph should kill all Cloud's friends just in case
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Hmm... apparently I killed the topic by agreeing with everyone.
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I still think next time Seph should kill all Cloud's friends just in case
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Makoeyes987
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No I am, I was mostly responding Quexinos 
I'm glad you acknowledge Sephiroth was trying to kill him. Yeah, Sephiroth was having fun, but I don't think that diminishes just how seriously lethal he was going about it.
I'm glad you acknowledge Sephiroth was trying to kill him. Yeah, Sephiroth was having fun, but I don't think that diminishes just how seriously lethal he was going about it.
Loxetta
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*butting in*
As far as the lethal-ness of Sephiroth's attack, don't forget that Cloud also has SOLDIERish enhancements. It's entirely possible that the average First Class SOLDIER could have kept going even with injuries like that -- for example, Zack was swiss cheese by the time he couldn't stand up and was still able to stick around for an undetermined amount of time for a dying speech. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that a stab up the leg would keep him from continuing for at least a while, with or without Zack. Plus it looked like the majority of the other injuries were surface cuts just meant for pain.
As far as the lethal-ness of Sephiroth's attack, don't forget that Cloud also has SOLDIERish enhancements. It's entirely possible that the average First Class SOLDIER could have kept going even with injuries like that -- for example, Zack was swiss cheese by the time he couldn't stand up and was still able to stick around for an undetermined amount of time for a dying speech.
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say that a stab up the leg would keep him from continuing for at least a while, with or without Zack. Plus it looked like the majority of the other injuries were surface cuts just meant for pain.
Makoeyes987
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They were not surface cuts. At all. Cloud gets stabbed repeatedly, not just slashed. You can clearly see it if you look.
And Zack survived several gunshots but he wasn't unharmed. When he finally was shot in the head, he was unable to keep fighting. If you look at his body, he was shot all over but the final shot that downed him was the one in the head.
Again. They're super humans but they still are HUMAN. If you stab their heart or head, they will die. They have organs. Clearly the stab to the knee nearly crippled Cloud and kept him from moving.
And Zack survived several gunshots but he wasn't unharmed. When he finally was shot in the head, he was unable to keep fighting. If you look at his body, he was shot all over but the final shot that downed him was the one in the head.
Again. They're super humans but they still are HUMAN. If you stab their heart or head, they will die. They have organs. Clearly the stab to the knee nearly crippled Cloud and kept him from moving.
IndianaoftheJones
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I'm sorry I read that as orgasms. And I think there were some slashes and some stabs. Either way, a normal human would not have survived, as it's been stated.
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Agree with all of the above posters. People tend to think of "playing around" like he's having a friendly sparring match or something, but Sephiroth was obviously toying with Cloud like a cat bats it wounded prey back and forth before dealing the death strike.
He had a score to settle, he had every reason and intent to kill, but after being thwarted so many times, and seeing that he was well versed enough in Cloud's playbook to block the fucking Omnislash, he decided to savor the kill.
"Go into battle determined to die, and surely you will live,"
He had a score to settle, he had every reason and intent to kill, but after being thwarted so many times, and seeing that he was well versed enough in Cloud's playbook to block the fucking Omnislash, he decided to savor the kill.
"Go into battle determined to die, and surely you will live,"
namakemono
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BLOOD SPLAAATTERRR! I love how his haird gets bloody. I squeed. DX
Anyway, I agree. Sephiroth wanted to see Cloud in pain before he finally gave the blow. Unfortunately for him, Cloud had much to fight for. ;D
Anyway, I agree. Sephiroth wanted to see Cloud in pain before he finally gave the blow. Unfortunately for him, Cloud had much to fight for. ;D
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Loxetta
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Went back and looked, in slo-mo~ But it's actually not all that clear. Sephiroth's motions look stabbity, but aside from the sword-through-foot, there's only one other motion that's blatantly a stab, going through the right side of his chest and causing a blood splurt out his back. With the other slashes/stabs it was either too blurry to make out or was a clear slash.
There were probably a couple dozen, give or take a few, shots in Zack's chest and stomach (in fact looking at the clip, I don't see any holes on his arms or legs, which is kind of odd considering the whole huge-army-vs-one thing). There's no way he could have escaped getting several of his major organs hit, even if he managed to not get hit in the heart, unless SOLDIER skin is tougher than rhino skin or something. Even with all the gunshots and damage, Zack still manages to stubbornly stay up until shot in the head -- which is usually just about instant death for the average human, but he still sticks around for the dying speech anyway.
I'm not trying to say that a shot or stab or whatever in a critical place like the brain or heart wouldn't kill a SOLDIER, just that it's possible and logical that SOLDIER enhancements make one more resilient than un-enhanced humans.
I also disagree that Cloud was crippled from the knee-stab. It took him a moment after being thrown down, but he got up from lying on his side to a kneeling position before the Zack white-out, so he could still use his right leg right after being stabbed.
(( Sorry this took me a while to get up -- I had to dig through five thumb drives to find my damn CC vids
*is not organized* ))
Makoeyes987
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Dude, but look at the screenshots on the front page. They clearly show Sephiroth's sword going through Cloud and not just slashing him. There's one that shows the blade going right through him.
http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/sephiroth-is-having-too-much-fun.png
That's going through his lower chest and back.
Yeah, Cloud's more resiliant but he's still being fatally wounded getting pierced in the long, knee, chest, and various other slashes that are being inflicted. Sephiroth isn't pulling his punches, he's slashing him and trying to kill.
When I say "crippled" I don't mean he literally was crippled. Clearly he was able to get back up on it, but he seriously was hurt and it affected him. He didn't just shrug it off as if it were nothing.
http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/sephiroth-is-having-too-much-fun.png
That's going through his lower chest and back.
Yeah, Cloud's more resiliant but he's still being fatally wounded getting pierced in the long, knee, chest, and various other slashes that are being inflicted. Sephiroth isn't pulling his punches, he's slashing him and trying to kill.
When I say "crippled" I don't mean he literally was crippled. Clearly he was able to get back up on it, but he seriously was hurt and it affected him. He didn't just shrug it off as if it were nothing.
Providence
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Hi I'm new to this forums and this is one hell of an interesting topic. Not to steer the conversation away from whether Sephiroth was playing around with Cloud or not (I personally agree that he was trying to cause as much pain as possible before the killing blow). but I have a question about the new omnislash and hope this is the correct topic to post it. I dont wanna create a new topic and let it get closed down later since the omnislash technically is in the Cloud vs Sephiroth fight.
Anyway... I read that the omnislash ver. 6 does 13 hits. I count 13 slashing sounds too..but when I slow-mo it it seems to do more than 13. I feel that 13 is kind of strange because of the nature of Cloud's fusion sword.
Allow me to explain:
When Cloud splits the sword into the smaller components, only the main blade flies upwards whereas the other 5 surround Sephiroth. So Cloud grabs one of the surrounding blades and chops Sephiroth. He leaves an after-image after grabbing the first blade and after the slash - a total of 2 after-images for 1 strike. If he repeats this for each of the 5 swords (excluding the main blade) then there should be 5 strikes and 10 afterimages.
In the fight, before Cloud goes upwards to take the main blade in preparation for the final attack, I count 8 slashing sounds. So this means that 3 of the blades were used twice. Since the slashes happen in quick succession I am guessing that 1 of the 2 after-images slashed again. Assuming that after a slash from an after-image it disappears, then there should be 7 Cloud after-images left when Cloud leaps up for the main blade. HOWEVER, there are only FIVE after-images seen as Cloud is rushing downwards (again, I may have miscounted).
So, what I am proposing is that Sehpiroth was slashed 10 times BEFORE Cloud lept up to take the main blade -- Once by Cloud itself and once by an after-image for each sword.
As Cloud is rushing down for the final attack, the remaining 5 after-images slash again. I counted only 4 slashing sounds but I can see 5 after-images pass through Sephiroth. After this, Cloud himself comes in for the final attack. This ups the number of hits for the 2nd part of the battle to 6.
Thus in total omnislash version 6 does 16 hits, 1 more hit than the original omnislash in the game. This makes a bit more sense since the designers said that they wanted ver 6 to be a closer mix of the AC version and the game version. They have the AC style of hitting and the number of hits from the game.
The reason I THINK why you only hear 13 strikes is because some images might hit at the same time so 2 hits might sound as 1.
SO, does anyone see this the same way I do? I'm quite particular when it comes to battle mechanics so I spent the whole night yesterday thinking about this.
(PS: Does this warrant its own topic?)
Anyway... I read that the omnislash ver. 6 does 13 hits. I count 13 slashing sounds too..but when I slow-mo it it seems to do more than 13. I feel that 13 is kind of strange because of the nature of Cloud's fusion sword.
Allow me to explain:
When Cloud splits the sword into the smaller components, only the main blade flies upwards whereas the other 5 surround Sephiroth. So Cloud grabs one of the surrounding blades and chops Sephiroth. He leaves an after-image after grabbing the first blade and after the slash - a total of 2 after-images for 1 strike. If he repeats this for each of the 5 swords (excluding the main blade) then there should be 5 strikes and 10 afterimages.
In the fight, before Cloud goes upwards to take the main blade in preparation for the final attack, I count 8 slashing sounds. So this means that 3 of the blades were used twice. Since the slashes happen in quick succession I am guessing that 1 of the 2 after-images slashed again. Assuming that after a slash from an after-image it disappears, then there should be 7 Cloud after-images left when Cloud leaps up for the main blade. HOWEVER, there are only FIVE after-images seen as Cloud is rushing downwards (again, I may have miscounted).
So, what I am proposing is that Sehpiroth was slashed 10 times BEFORE Cloud lept up to take the main blade -- Once by Cloud itself and once by an after-image for each sword.
As Cloud is rushing down for the final attack, the remaining 5 after-images slash again. I counted only 4 slashing sounds but I can see 5 after-images pass through Sephiroth. After this, Cloud himself comes in for the final attack. This ups the number of hits for the 2nd part of the battle to 6.
Thus in total omnislash version 6 does 16 hits, 1 more hit than the original omnislash in the game. This makes a bit more sense since the designers said that they wanted ver 6 to be a closer mix of the AC version and the game version. They have the AC style of hitting and the number of hits from the game.
The reason I THINK why you only hear 13 strikes is because some images might hit at the same time so 2 hits might sound as 1.
SO, does anyone see this the same way I do? I'm quite particular when it comes to battle mechanics so I spent the whole night yesterday thinking about this.
(PS: Does this warrant its own topic?)
EbonGale
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It was 2AM this morning when I posted that, and I had an exam in like 7 hours, so I went to bed after making my earlier post.
I don't really know what I was saying with the whole 'testing' thing - I was a bit out of it. However, just because Seph is hitting all this vital shit in Cloud, stabbing and slashing in places that would kill him, he's never doing that 'finishing blow' that would just end the fight, even though he had multiple opportunities. I understand he's hitting vital spots, that these are deadly, lethal attacks, but they're both SOLDIERs. They can take more, and even if they couldn't, as mortal as those wounds were, they weren't instant-death attacks (except for maybe when Seph chucks him onto the roof after the foot-leg impalement).
Like I said last night, it's not that he's not trying to kill Cloud, he's just doing it in the most lengthy, painful way possible. He's letting Cloud live longer, feel more pain, and keep fighting, for his own sadistic reasons. Any one of those slashing attacks during the aerial part of the fight could have easily gone deeper and severed limbs or resulted in decapitation, and the fact that they didn't shows that he didn't want to end the fight yet (and also that Square Enix knew that Cloud fans would brick and throw a fit if Seph chopped off his legs or something). He wanted to see Cloud squirm and writhe in agony for as long as possible.
I also agree with others that he intended to kill Cloud with that final swing, when he threw him onto the roof. I think it was Mako who posted that picture of Seph looking pissed/"wtf" about Cloud still being alive (not sure if it was in this thread or another), but I think anyone (even those watching ACC) would be a little "wtf" if a dude just survived all that. However, once Cloud's back up and clashes with him, just before omnislash, you can't say that the closeup on Seph's face didn't show him looking mighty pleased to just keep on fighting.
Oh, and @ Providence, that's awesome that you have the dedication to analyze and think through that whole attack. I just told myself "wow, Seph's getting fucked up right now" and was done with it xD I like the 16 hit theory, seems to fit a lot more.
I loved the after-images in v.6, they looked so much better than in v.5, and the end of the move with all the after-images landing around Cloud was just too awesome for words.
I don't really know what I was saying with the whole 'testing' thing - I was a bit out of it. However, just because Seph is hitting all this vital shit in Cloud, stabbing and slashing in places that would kill him, he's never doing that 'finishing blow' that would just end the fight, even though he had multiple opportunities. I understand he's hitting vital spots, that these are deadly, lethal attacks, but they're both SOLDIERs. They can take more, and even if they couldn't, as mortal as those wounds were, they weren't instant-death attacks (except for maybe when Seph chucks him onto the roof after the foot-leg impalement).
Like I said last night, it's not that he's not trying to kill Cloud, he's just doing it in the most lengthy, painful way possible. He's letting Cloud live longer, feel more pain, and keep fighting, for his own sadistic reasons. Any one of those slashing attacks during the aerial part of the fight could have easily gone deeper and severed limbs or resulted in decapitation, and the fact that they didn't shows that he didn't want to end the fight yet (and also that Square Enix knew that Cloud fans would brick and throw a fit if Seph chopped off his legs or something). He wanted to see Cloud squirm and writhe in agony for as long as possible.
I also agree with others that he intended to kill Cloud with that final swing, when he threw him onto the roof. I think it was Mako who posted that picture of Seph looking pissed/"wtf" about Cloud still being alive (not sure if it was in this thread or another), but I think anyone (even those watching ACC) would be a little "wtf" if a dude just survived all that. However, once Cloud's back up and clashes with him, just before omnislash, you can't say that the closeup on Seph's face didn't show him looking mighty pleased to just keep on fighting.
Oh, and @ Providence, that's awesome that you have the dedication to analyze and think through that whole attack. I just told myself "wow, Seph's getting fucked up right now" and was done with it xD I like the 16 hit theory, seems to fit a lot more.
I loved the after-images in v.6, they looked so much better than in v.5, and the end of the move with all the after-images landing around Cloud was just too awesome for words.
Makoeyes987
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He didn't do the finishing blow because
1.) The movie would end.
and
2.) Cloud got back up after his spiritual meeting with Zack and thus blocked the overheaded slice that Sephiroth was about to preform that would've killed him.
I'm glad we agree he was trying to kill Cloud though. When I hear people say "playing around" I think they're equating it to not trying to kill him. But glad we're on the same page on that.
However, you're wrong about those aerial slashes. They were deep. As shown in the pic I posted, with the one that impaled him a second time. They were serious. In fact, most impalement's through the chest are usually instantly fatal, if not just fatal. Getting impaled through your lung and hoisted on a sword would definitely kill someone. They'd black out, suffocate and die from blood loss. During the aerial slashes, it was a miracle Cloud didn't just get stabbed in the face. I think that's the reason Cloud grabbed the blade with his left hand in the first place. It came dangerously close to hitting him. He may not have lost any limbs but those thrusts and slashes were extremely serious and damaging. There's no denying that.
Sephiroth did express amusement at Cloud still having fight in him, I agree. But he also had a look of cold malice and murder too. I figured he was thinking he was definitely going to enjoy putting him in his place after his whole "there's nothing I don't cherish" spiel.
1.) The movie would end.
and
2.) Cloud got back up after his spiritual meeting with Zack and thus blocked the overheaded slice that Sephiroth was about to preform that would've killed him.
I'm glad we agree he was trying to kill Cloud though. When I hear people say "playing around" I think they're equating it to not trying to kill him. But glad we're on the same page on that.
However, you're wrong about those aerial slashes. They were deep. As shown in the pic I posted, with the one that impaled him a second time. They were serious. In fact, most impalement's through the chest are usually instantly fatal, if not just fatal. Getting impaled through your lung and hoisted on a sword would definitely kill someone. They'd black out, suffocate and die from blood loss. During the aerial slashes, it was a miracle Cloud didn't just get stabbed in the face. I think that's the reason Cloud grabbed the blade with his left hand in the first place. It came dangerously close to hitting him. He may not have lost any limbs but those thrusts and slashes were extremely serious and damaging. There's no denying that.
Sephiroth did express amusement at Cloud still having fight in him, I agree. But he also had a look of cold malice and murder too. I figured he was thinking he was definitely going to enjoy putting him in his place after his whole "there's nothing I don't cherish" spiel.
cloudywolf17
Lv. 1 Adventurer
I honestly can't believe that Sephiroth is doing anything but taking his time with Cloud. Sure, his overall intent is to kill him, but he isn't really doing everything he could to just finish it. His conversation alone tells you that he wants Cloud to suffer first, die second. But Sephiroth's fatal flaw (well, amongst others, but in particular to Cloud) is that he underestimates Cloud's ability. Always has, always will. So it's no stretch whatsoever to say that Sephiroth is screwing around out there for the majority of the final fight.
On the contrary, it would be more of a stretch to say that he's been fighting all out from getgo; At every opportunity Sephiroth demonstrates that he is superior to Cloud. He goes to the trouble of besting him in all areas of swordplay, and even shows us a little hand to hand combat for good measure. He's got the time to talk shit too, baiting Cloud and taunting him. Sephiroth's got a superiority complex, and by brute strength alone, Sephiroth has always been stronger than Cloud, and I think he knows that.
Let's face it. Sephiroth's big dick on campus here.
On the contrary, it would be more of a stretch to say that he's been fighting all out from getgo; At every opportunity Sephiroth demonstrates that he is superior to Cloud. He goes to the trouble of besting him in all areas of swordplay, and even shows us a little hand to hand combat for good measure. He's got the time to talk shit too, baiting Cloud and taunting him. Sephiroth's got a superiority complex, and by brute strength alone, Sephiroth has always been stronger than Cloud, and I think he knows that.
Let's face it. Sephiroth's big dick on campus here.
Makoeyes987
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What the hell do you mean? He DID try to finish it but Cloud stopped him. What do you think he was going to do when he made a bee line with his sword over his head, while Cloud was too weak to move due to his numerous nigh-fatal injuries?
Again, suffering and dying are not mutually exclusive. He's not screwing around piercing Cloud's ribcage and puncturing his lung and impaling him twice while slashing him repeatedly and impaling his leg and nearly hitting his face. Do you not have a grasp on anatomy? The fact he's purposefully going after Cloud's vitals and inflicting fatal wounds on him contradicts him not trying to seriously kill Cloud. Why would he inflict damage and trauma to vital spots on Cloud if he was NOT trying to kill him?
If you don't think he was going all out trying to kill Cloud painfully while making him suffer, you clearly either didn't watch it or have no idea on how vital your internal organs and arteries are.
Again, suffering and dying are not mutually exclusive. He's not screwing around piercing Cloud's ribcage and puncturing his lung and impaling him twice while slashing him repeatedly and impaling his leg and nearly hitting his face. Do you not have a grasp on anatomy? The fact he's purposefully going after Cloud's vitals and inflicting fatal wounds on him contradicts him not trying to seriously kill Cloud. Why would he inflict damage and trauma to vital spots on Cloud if he was NOT trying to kill him?
If you don't think he was going all out trying to kill Cloud painfully while making him suffer, you clearly either didn't watch it or have no idea on how vital your internal organs and arteries are.
cloudywolf17
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I didn't mean to sound like he's not going to make sure that Cloud dies, but honestly, he's drawing it out big time. Sure, those wounds are going to kill him, like bleeding out, but he could've ended it whenever he wanted to up there. And he didn't. I'm just saying he's screwing around up there.
Makoeyes987
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Not just by bleeding out, but also trauma and organ failure. You don't just die from blood loss after having your lung pierced. And I doubt any of his other organs were unscathed after that.
The only reason Cloud lived is because of his will power and then Aerith's healing water/rain helping close up the wounds and heal him.
Sephiroth isn't killing him INSTANTLY (since..that would end the film) but yeah he is killing him. The fact Cloud's death is drawing out has nothing to do with Sephiroth but more to do with Cloud not giving up. I mean, how is impaling someone twice and repeatedly slashing them, and then impaling their foot and knee, a drawn out slow death? When it all happens in the span of less than five minutes?
The only reason Cloud lived is because of his will power and then Aerith's healing water/rain helping close up the wounds and heal him.
Sephiroth isn't killing him INSTANTLY (since..that would end the film) but yeah he is killing him. The fact Cloud's death is drawing out has nothing to do with Sephiroth but more to do with Cloud not giving up. I mean, how is impaling someone twice and repeatedly slashing them, and then impaling their foot and knee, a drawn out slow death? When it all happens in the span of less than five minutes?
EbonGale
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Well, I'm not saying the aerial slashes weren't deep.
But, like I said, there was nothing stopping him from exerting just the tiniest bit more force to completely take off Cloud's arm, instead of just cutting in deep. Also, if we embrace the whole theory that Sephiroth intended to have the foot-to-face-to-roof be his final attack - well, I don't think he really cared whether or not it went through his face. I mean, the impalement toss should have done the job, but Cloud's just so damn resilient...
When (if? can't remember...) I used the term 'playing around', I don't mean literally like "playing" - if anything it's like 'playing' a game of Russian Roullette. Totally serious, totally lethal, but there's this twisted insane 'play' aspect to it. He's really not like a cat pawing at it's prey, because he isn't just some innocent, mindless cat. He is trying to kill Cloud, he's just being a total sadist about it and enjoying every minute of pain he can get out of Cloud before he gets bored of it.
I admit that at the beginning of the fight, the battle is much more evenly matched, but I don't think Seph's really going all out. After all, he doesn't even get into his one-winged form. Once they get on the rooftop, though, Cloud gets fatigued, and if anything, this is the only part of the fight that I'd say Sephiroth decides to 'play around' at all - punching him in the face, tossing him into the air, and punting him through a wall, when he could have been stabbing and slashing.
Cloud is completely defenseless after Sephiroth has him impaled, and Seph could honestly have done anything in the world he wanted to Cloud, and Cloud wouldn't have been able to stop him. The fact that Cloud still tried to defend himself from the face stab is a testament to his tenacity, but that was a desperate grab at the blade, and, like you said, it still nearly killed him.
Had it not been for Cloud limit breaking, there's no telling Seph would have kept fucking with him or would have just finally ended it. Personally I don't think Sephiroth cares whether Cloud lives or dies - he likes seeing Cloud in pain, but if dies, well, that's good, too. It's like a win-win situation for him.
If these responses are a little late, I'm 'studying' for finals, so please pardon my latency.
Also, Cloudy, the "Sephiroth's big dick on campus" thing had me lol'in for a while. Thanks for that.
But, like I said, there was nothing stopping him from exerting just the tiniest bit more force to completely take off Cloud's arm, instead of just cutting in deep. Also, if we embrace the whole theory that Sephiroth intended to have the foot-to-face-to-roof be his final attack - well, I don't think he really cared whether or not it went through his face. I mean, the impalement toss should have done the job, but Cloud's just so damn resilient...
When (if? can't remember...) I used the term 'playing around', I don't mean literally like "playing" - if anything it's like 'playing' a game of Russian Roullette. Totally serious, totally lethal, but there's this twisted insane 'play' aspect to it. He's really not like a cat pawing at it's prey, because he isn't just some innocent, mindless cat. He is trying to kill Cloud, he's just being a total sadist about it and enjoying every minute of pain he can get out of Cloud before he gets bored of it.
I admit that at the beginning of the fight, the battle is much more evenly matched, but I don't think Seph's really going all out. After all, he doesn't even get into his one-winged form. Once they get on the rooftop, though, Cloud gets fatigued, and if anything, this is the only part of the fight that I'd say Sephiroth decides to 'play around' at all - punching him in the face, tossing him into the air, and punting him through a wall, when he could have been stabbing and slashing.
Cloud is completely defenseless after Sephiroth has him impaled, and Seph could honestly have done anything in the world he wanted to Cloud, and Cloud wouldn't have been able to stop him. The fact that Cloud still tried to defend himself from the face stab is a testament to his tenacity, but that was a desperate grab at the blade, and, like you said, it still nearly killed him.
Had it not been for Cloud limit breaking, there's no telling Seph would have kept fucking with him or would have just finally ended it. Personally I don't think Sephiroth cares whether Cloud lives or dies - he likes seeing Cloud in pain, but if dies, well, that's good, too. It's like a win-win situation for him.
If these responses are a little late, I'm 'studying' for finals, so please pardon my latency.
Also, Cloudy, the "Sephiroth's big dick on campus" thing had me lol'in for a while. Thanks for that.
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cloudywolf17
Lv. 1 Adventurer
Considering that Sephiroth probably could have ended it whenever he wanted to, I'd say he was taking his sweet time and that a lot of that lies with Sephiroth. Yes, Cloud's fighting and will to survive is there, but frankly, SOLDIER class fighters are pretty resilient as it is. I don't see how vital organs really come into play too too much in the fantasy setting either when we're talking about guys that take buster swords through what seems to be the spinal chord and still manage to walk around.
No one's arguing that Sephiroth's killing Cloud, but he is definitely having fun with it.
EDIT: Lol, no problem Gale.
No one's arguing that Sephiroth's killing Cloud, but he is definitely having fun with it.
EDIT: Lol, no problem Gale.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
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- Smooth Criminal
Ahh okay, EbonGale, I see what you mean
Yeah, Sephiroth wasn't serious during the beginning of the fight. He's only fucking around, trying to wear Cloud out. It's not until Sephiroth impales Cloud and goes all "Reunion" with busting out his wing that he seriously unleashes his power and starts trying to kill.
Yeah, Sephiroth could've done anything he wanted to Cloud. He chose to throw him in the air, and repeatedly slash him, impale him again, and then fuck up his leg before throwing him down on the ground so hard, it left a crater.
And yeah, Cloud being able to bust out another limit break to beat him certainly speaks to his tenacity and strength. And if he didn't well, the movie would've ended.
@Cloudywolf
Yeah, Cloud's tough, but again, he's still human. And really, the resiliency of SOLDIERs is thanks to their Jenova cells, which Cloud now no longer has. He was cured of his Geostigma. So you can't chalk it up to that. Cloud's just strong. However, he's still bound by the limits of human physiology.
Yeah, Sephiroth wasn't serious during the beginning of the fight. He's only fucking around, trying to wear Cloud out. It's not until Sephiroth impales Cloud and goes all "Reunion" with busting out his wing that he seriously unleashes his power and starts trying to kill.
Yeah, Sephiroth could've done anything he wanted to Cloud. He chose to throw him in the air, and repeatedly slash him, impale him again, and then fuck up his leg before throwing him down on the ground so hard, it left a crater.
And yeah, Cloud being able to bust out another limit break to beat him certainly speaks to his tenacity and strength. And if he didn't well, the movie would've ended.
@Cloudywolf
Yeah, Cloud's tough, but again, he's still human. And really, the resiliency of SOLDIERs is thanks to their Jenova cells, which Cloud now no longer has. He was cured of his Geostigma. So you can't chalk it up to that. Cloud's just strong. However, he's still bound by the limits of human physiology.
Makoeyes987
Listen closely, there is meaning in my words.
- AKA
- Smooth Criminal
Cooke Monster means everything. Cookie monster makes all expressions and statements even better. You will learn soon, don't worry.
I'm not being sarcastic though. I do see what you mean. ^^
I'm not being sarcastic though. I do see what you mean. ^^
ForceStealer
Double Growth
While deftly skirting around the debate, I loved that detail - Cloud grabbing the Masamune to prevent it from going through his...well, head. Presence of mind, battle instincts, whatever you wanna call it, that move saved Cloud's life.