Cloud vs Sephiroth

[curiousACfan]

I realize this discussion was dropped a while ago, but having now seen the movie, I'd like to comment.

I don't see how anyone can argue that he was "playing around" for the entire bloody fight.

I just don't. All it would have take was Cloud taking that sword in the face instead of just his leg and that would have been it for him.

I think the very fact of Sephiroth not putting the sword in his face instead of those other spots would be why many don't feel Sephiroth was taking it as seriously as Cloud. Obviously Cloud would have liked to end it at the first opportunity. Sephiroth didn't, and putting the sword through his leg such that it came out a few inches from his face instead of right into his face would be the very proof of it.

That's not to say that Sephiroth didn't intend to kill him before he was done, or even -- as you say -- that he hadn't already delivered mortal wounds. He hadn't, however, delivered a fatal blow, despite the opportunity to.

That's also not to say that he didn't intend to finish him when he was diving toward him after the "what you cherish most" line. I agree that it was intended to be the finishing blow. I'd just say that Sephiroth wasn't taking it seriously in the sense that he felt desperate or anxious. He was sure he was going to win and he took his time with it. That's why we see him dropping a quote like that before diving in instead of just doing it.

So, I think it's best put like this: Sephiroth was serious about killing Cloud, but he wasn't taking the fight seriously. At least not until Cloud pulled out that new Omnislash and started flying.

 

[Max Payne]

Yeah, well I'm just gonna have to disagree considering the numerous times he impaled Cloud in several locations which would kill a person in moments, and express my disinterest in continuing a conversation I dropped out of at least 3 fucking weeks ago.

 

[Dashell]

Here's an idea. If you don't wish to continue a conversation anymore, instead of being rude, you can just not reply.

And just to say one last thing
Seph was gonna kill Cloud, period. Maybe he didn't right away but I seriously doubt that he expected Cloud to get up after stabbing him 8 times. I didn't

 

[Max Payne]

Here's an idea. If you don't wish to continue a conversation anymore, instead of being rude, you can just not reply.

I wasn't being rude, and I said my piece and have no intention of arguing further.

Here's an idea, instead of making an issue out of nothing, you can not respond to my comments and go about your day.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Dacon's not being rude saying he's not interested and disagrees. What are you getting on his case for? Seriously, quit the psuedomodding. It's getting old. You don't need to tell him how to act.

And wow, I seriously thought you disappeared off the face of the internet, curiousACfan. It's great to see you posting again.

If you mean he wasn't taking the fight seriously, as in, thinking he'd lose, then I guess you have a point. Yeah he was confident. The topic was really about if Sephiroth was really, seriously trying to kill Cloud. Which you agree with so I guess I don't really disagree with you.

 

[Dashell]

Haha, I'm actually not psuedomodding as you call it... (BTW I find it funny that the Firefox spellchecker suggested bobsledding to that XD). I'm just a bitch and a drama queen.

But it can get old at times... I apologize Dacon, I really took your reply as rude and I didn't feel it was necessary to throw the word fucking in there like that. I only use fuck if I'm angry so I read it as anger.

The topic was really about if Sephiroth was really, seriously trying to kill Cloud. Which you agree with so I guess I don't really disagree with you

Has anyone seriously said otherwise?

 

[curiousACfan]

Quexinos, thanks for jumping in there, but it's okay. It's not a big deal.

Yeah, well I'm just gonna have to disagree considering the numerous times he impaled Cloud in several locations which would kill a person in moments

But certainly you'd agree there's a difference between decapitation or face impalement and a stab in the abdomen -- or the leg or shoulder as the case happened to be? Moments to live is still not instant death, which seems like deliberately dragging things out. I personally wouldn't think of doing that if fighting an opponent I feared may kill me as long as he was alive.

To me that suggests a lack of concern for losing, and, thus, a lack of a serious view on the fight. I really don't see any other way to look at it. In a fight that you took seriously, wouldn't you be desperate to kill the opponent before they could kill you? Resolved to kill Cloud though he was, desperate to do it or afraid of Cloud he was not.

and express my disinterest in continuing a conversation I dropped out of at least 3 fucking weeks ago.

That's fine with me.

And wow, I seriously thought you disappeared off the face of the internet, curiousACfan. It's great to see you posting again.

Thanks, but it won't be much. I just felt like coming back and reading what had been said here now that I've seen the movie. Since the topic of Sephiroth's strength is what brought me here originally, this topic stood out to me.

If you mean he wasn't taking the fight seriously, as in, thinking he'd lose, then I guess you have a point. Yeah he was confident. The topic was really about if Sephiroth was really, seriously trying to kill Cloud. Which you agree with so I guess I don't really disagree with you.

Good to hear.

That's what people mean when they say Sephiroth wasn't taking it seriously. He didn't believe he would lose. He wasn't desperate like Cloud. He was savoring wittling him down like a good rack of ribs.

 

[Max Payne]

STOP TRYING TO PULL ME IN DAMN YOU.

I SAID I DISAGREE MAN.

leave me alone : (

 

[Dashell]

I gotta thank you for that, that was hilarious XD

curiousACfan, what are you trying to say? Sephiroth wasn't taking the fight as seriously as he should have?

 

[OneWingedDemon]

I guess he/she/it is saying that although Sephiroth wants to kill Cloud like a fat kid wants to kill a chocolate cake, he still wants to savor said cake. Mmkay? And that's why instead of gobbling it up in one go, he plays with his food. And does not overly exert himself....and then gets his ass handed to him because he took too fucking long and the hobo down the street was hungrier.

Sephiroth should have gone all "My sword was dipped in poison, fucker. 35 MINUTES AGO"

 

[NoenGaruth]

I guess he/she/it is saying that although Sephiroth wants to kill Cloud like a fat kid wants to kill a chocolate cake, he still wants to savor said cake. Mmkay? And that's why instead of gobbling it up in one go, he plays with his food. And does not overly exert himself....and then gets his ass handed to him because he took too fucking long and the hobo down the street was hungrier.

Sephiroth should have gone all "My sword was dipped in poison, fucker. 35 MINUTES AGO"

I love that example! XD
Actualy makes sense too, kudos.

 

[Dashell]

Kid killing a chocolate cake eh?... that's like the best thing ever.

and yeah I guess that make sense. He was savoring the moment. Cloud is a chocolate cake and Sephiroth is the fat kid... uh...

okay that's just weird.

 

[Cthulhu]

I'm waiting for the first Cloud-obsessed fanboy/girl/androgyn to go and post something to the effect of 'Yeh but cloud was like dodging like super fast and like doing the like DRUNKEN MUNKEY style and pretending he was fail and getting stabbed while in reality he was getting his POWER LEVEL up to over ninE THOUSAAAND and like totally fooled both SEFFIROS and the viewers!!1!1 i wnat his babies OMG I'M SO HYPER XDDDdDdDdDDDD!1!!1!!ShIfT+oNe!1'.

 

[Makoeyes987]

...But he was dodging super fast and doing the Drunken Monkey style to lure Sephiroth into a false sense of security while getting stabbed, thus allowing him to achieve an even greater limit break over the equivalent of a DBZ power level of 9000 and then totally owned that lamer.

It's true!

 

[megas_sephiroth]

and yeah I guess that make sense. He was savoring the moment. Cloud is a chocolate cake and Sephiroth is the fat kid... uh...

He kind of reminded me of a cat playing with a mouse before killing it. Trouble was that the mouse escaped...

@Cthulhu

OMG!!! He absolutely was... hum... I can't do it, I just can't, sorry. Anyway, Mako already did it, much better than I could...

 

[Makoeyes987]

More like the mouse took out a kitchen knife right when he was gonna be dealt the killing blow and then cut him up

 

[Dashell]

...But he was dodging super fast and doing the Drunken Monkey style to lure Sephiroth into a false sense of security while getting stabbed, thus allowing him to achieve an even greater limit break over the equivalent of a DBZ power level of 9000 and then totally owned that lamer.

It's true!

and you want his babies, right?
who would want Cloud's babies?

 

[Makoeyes987]

and you want his babies, right?
who would want Cloud's babies?

Tifa, Aerith, Priscilla...Don Corneo?

 

[Dark and Divine]

Mukki?

 

[Dashell]

Well 3 of those people are out for various reasons. Priscilla is too young, Don is a guy and Aerith is dead... so that just leaves you with Tifa. And Tifa's so sexy that she can get away with it.

 

[Makoeyes987]

But...Mukki is sexy too. D=

 

[Dark and Divine]

But...Mukki is sexy too. D=

His moustache is so erotic!

 

[Dashell]

But he's a guy

 

[Cthulhu]

But he's a guy

And your point is?

Back to Cloud vs Seph now by the way plz.

 

[Dashell]

Back to cake and fat kid, got it.

I'm still bothered on how Cloud was able to stand and walk around and what not after taking all those stabs. I mean someone once said Aerith's rain started to heal him, but ... I dunno, I think that's not true. He took a lot of vital hits to be able to stand so easily and even run after Yazoo and Loz like that. He should have at LEAST been struggling.