Cowboy Bebop Live-Action Series

[The Twilight Mexican]

That, alongside the mindset that this will never replace the original - it’ll exist as supplementary media. Once I truly realized the original remains untouched in situations like this, adaptations (whether they’re good or bad) bothered me less

Right. This is potentially just a way of experiencing new moments with a concept you already love but can no longer get new experiences from in its present form.

Kind of like a group of people sharing stories about a person who has passed on that they all knew.

If it sticks the landing, it'll become indispensable to us long-time fans. If it doesn't, it can be relegated to the "don't show me this" list on your Netflix account.

As for Cho, he works for me when I see his body language and hear his voice. He's got all the right mannerisms. It's not Blum's voice, no, but I challenge anyone to listen to Spike's Japanese voice and tell me this dude's isn't a good fit.

 

[Nandemoyasan]

If the first episode isn't good, Spike will just kick it

That'll fix everything

 

[Lulcielid]

Four days until release.

 

[Odysseus]

Yeah things aren't looking great so far.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/cowboy_bebop_2021

 

[Shademp]

The hype around this live-action version made me watch the anime show for the first time. I am glad to have caught up on this popular show but I am definitely missing out on the full context by not watching the show when it was new. There is a lot of artistic merit here.

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

That ending though was too much of a downer for me. It makes the story- and characters feel incomplete. Perhaps that's the point: Meditating on how not all stories end happily, death comes for all of us and we leave fractured people behind. But I am personally not a fan of this.

 

[Wol]

yeah, not going to touch that. I cherish the original and don't want my memories tarnished.

 

[Makoeyes987]

LOL I gotta see this trainwreck upclose.

Damn, those are some harsh reviews. Can't say I'm too surprised

 

[ForceStealer]

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

That ending though was too much of a downer for me. It makes the story- and characters feel incomplete. Perhaps that's the point: Meditating on how not all stories end happily, death comes for all of us and we leave fractured people behind. But I am personally not a fan of this.

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

I've always chosen to believe he made it, even though that's pretty clearly not the intention. But the largely-episodic nature of the show always made it fairly easy for me to do so

 

[Leafonthebreeze]

Spoiler: Ending spoiler

I've always chosen to believe he made it, even though that's pretty clearly not the intention. But the largely-episodic nature of the show always made it fairly easy for me to do so

Spoiler: Ending and movie spoilers

Nothing in the film directly contradicts the idea that it's happening after the final episode. In fact, if you squint, the way Spike is acting could almost indicate a new lease of life after finally letting go of his past, since he seems a bit more upbeat. I know this contradicts word of God but it's what works for me. Everyone is fine.

 

[Nandemoyasan]

Spoiler: Ending spoilers cont.

I kind of like Watanabe's approach on the subject. Whether you think Spike lives or dies says more about you, than it does about Cowboy Bebop.

 

[Nandemoyasan]

I've watched the first 10 minutes of episode 1

It's my understanding that there has been a 26 episode anime series back in 1998 and a film (which I've yet to see) in the 2000's or something

Honestly I'm into it. If this is all the Cowboy Bebop content we get this millenium, should be good

Don't listen to the haterate drinkers... ah, it's cool, Cowboy Bebop is not a science guys

Edit: Watched all of ep 1

Yeah, it's cool. I like it. Very "once upon a time in mexico" if you will. Hehehehe

Like I said, Cowboy Bebop is not a science. Watch Yoko Kanno conduct the Seatbelts and then tell me these people aren't deranged. So is this series, and so are we for liking it. This is what Zefram Cochrane would call "the good stuff," Deena.

 

[Prism]

Yeah things aren't looking great so far.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/cowboy_bebop_2021

Yeah…..might be ping ponging back……..
I was encouraged when I saw them taking the style seriously in the trailers after initial hesitation, but the writing seems to be, well……

 

[Odysseus]

I haven't watched it yet but from the clips I've seen I don't think I really want to. My poor, poor green bird scene.

 

[Nandemoyasan]

Keep in mind that I did not see this 26 ep anime series until 3 weeks ago, despite having heard of it (and probably caught it on TV once or twice).

You might not be able to see the forest for the trees. Or are you just afraid of the deluge of "Fake JoJo Fans" that will inevitably result?

What's wrong with it being different from Cowboy Bebop? Cowboy Bebop is different from itself, ep to ep. It's a mushroom trip jazz jam session of an anime, and come on, you expect it to be what you expect?

Think about it.

Edit: I'm thinking of the Bank Examiner from It's A Wonderful Life. My attitude here is "Well, I guess they do those things." I don't care if it's faithful to a series I've just now gotten into; I want more and shh

 

[Prism]

I view Bebop as universal enough, where basically every Gen X or Millennial who’s into anime (and some that aren’t) has for the most part seen it. With some exceptions, of course. So I’m not particularly worried about the JoJo effect. I mean, my sister’s high school band played Tank in like 2009 - It’s that mainstream.

I’m OK with a new Bebop. I mean, I mentioned earlier in this very thread:
“That, alongside the mindset that this will never replace the original - it’ll exist as supplementary media. Once I truly realized the original remains untouched in situations like this, adaptations (whether they’re good or bad) bothered me less”

I haven’t seen it. But my brother is watching it. He likes it enough so far, but every now and then he’ll show me a clip that’s like “hmmmmm….”
I’m still willing to give it a chance, but there’s something about the writing it seems.

I haven't watched it yet but from the clips I've seen I don't think I really want to. My poor, poor green bird scene.

They ruined the Green Bird scene?

 

[Odysseus]

They ruined the Green Bird scene?

Spoiler

the context behind the entire church sequence is totally different. Vicious kidnaps Jet's daughter (who exists I guess) and lures Spike and Jet in with her. He captures both of them only for Faye to save them. Spike fights Vicious, but then Julia (who is introduced way earlier, her and Vicious eat up screen time in almost every episode now and are inserted into plots they had nothing to do with in the original) is the one to shoot Spike (or should I say "fearless" lol) through the window to set her up as the antagonist of season 2. I hate it, everything about it. Episode 5 of the real show is one of the best episodes of anything ever, and they basically altered it beyond recognition.

 

[looneymoon]

I'm rewatching the original series before I jump onto the show. I'm enjoying it a lot more as an adult. Not that I didn't enjoy it before, I think the emotional punches are just hitting a lot harder with age.

I also just like going back to old animation now that I have a better eye for what the compositing is doing. There's something really satisfying about that.

 

[Prism]

Spoiler

the context behind the entire church sequence is totally different. Vicious kidnaps Jet's daughter (who exists I guess) and lures Spike and Jet in with her. He captures both of them only for Faye to save them. Spike fights Vicious, but then Julia (who is introduced way earlier, her and Vicious eat up screen time in almost every episode now and are inserted into plots they had nothing to do with in the original) is the one to shoot Spike (or should I say "fearless" lol) through the window to set her up as the antagonist of season 2. I hate it, everything about it. Episode 5 of the real show is one of the best episodes of anything ever, and they basically altered it beyond recognition.

After reading that, here's my reaction to the screenwriters:

 

[Odysseus]

Well, form your own opinions lol. I'm just basing that summery on a few clips I saw and a summery of the scene I read. I know in general people aren't happy with how Vicious is used and written as well.

 

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Spoiler

the context behind the entire church sequence is totally different. Vicious kidnaps Jet's daughter (who exists I guess) and lures Spike and Jet in with her. He captures both of them only for Faye to save them. Spike fights Vicious, but then Julia (who is introduced way earlier, her and Vicious eat up screen time in almost every episode now and are inserted into plots they had nothing to do with in the original) is the one to shoot Spike (or should I say "fearless" lol) through the window to set her up as the antagonist of season 2. I hate it, everything about it. Episode 5 of the real show is one of the best episodes of anything ever, and they basically altered it beyond recognition.

That sounds absolutely godawful lmao.

 

[Nandemoyasan]

To me, it feels like even the 26 episodes I saw tore anime a new asshole; it's just never what you expect an anime to be, moment to moment. It doesn't serve the viewer's desires, but the creators', exclusively. Like, say, an improvised jazz solo on a musical instrument. People came here to see a show, not be spoon fed nostalgia.

I get it when Goku is supposed to go Super Saiyan fighting Freeza. I get it when Ryu dragon punches Sagat. I get it when Jubei ties Kagero's ribbon around his arm.

Cowboy Bebop seems like it's trying to escape from my sense of "getting it."

 

[Nandemoyasan]

It just feels to me like the cycle has become predictable at this point; new thing for an IP is released, the old fans get mad and new fans show up and are disgusted by the old fans being mad about the changes to their thing, which is not theirs, but merely something they like.

Over, and over, and over, since probably long before I was born... sigh

I'm gonna smoke a cigarette now

 

[Odysseus]

Like what you like. Lord knows I've butted heads with people around here that hate the remake when I love it. Just so happens I fall into the camp of whiney old fan who hates new thing lol. My issue really isn't even that the show isn't pandering to nostalgia or how I remember things or whatever, it's that it exists at all. I would have preferred the old Keanu Reeves idea where it was an all new Bebop story that just so happened to be in live action rather than a retread of the old show but a little different for the tastes of modern audiences.

 

[Makoeyes987]

Spoiler

the context behind the entire church sequence is totally different. Vicious kidnaps Jet's daughter (who exists I guess) and lures Spike and Jet in with her. He captures both of them only for Faye to save them. Spike fights Vicious, but then Julia (who is introduced way earlier, her and Vicious eat up screen time in almost every episode now and are inserted into plots they had nothing to do with in the original) is the one to shoot Spike (or should I say "fearless" lol) through the window to set her up as the antagonist of season 2. I hate it, everything about it. Episode 5 of the real show is one of the best episodes of anything ever, and they basically altered it beyond recognition.

What the actual fuck?

I expected creative liberty in adaption but what the hell? Why?

Didn't think this could be worst than the preview Netflix posted on Twitter of them in the restaurant but my god.

 

[Odysseus]

What the actual fuck?

I expected creative liberty in adaption but what the hell? Why?

Didn't think this could be worst than the preview Netflix posted on Twitter of them in the restaurant but my god.

Spoiler

the thing that really got me was hearing that it was Vicious who hired Mad Pierrot to kill Spike. Like, fuck that. So unnecessary. Vicious doesn't need to be the Moriarty here where he's responsible for everything. Bleh.