Come and get me, bitch!
I'll limit myself to give you a sporting chance.
Roffl. XD
Seph and Cloud have something of a history where this is concerned, though. Seph knows that impaling Cloud is not a kill shot -- which it isn't on most people, really, because it's not instantaneous death. Aerith didn't even die instantly.
Sephiroth did impale him
twice, while also cutting him to pieces. So it's not like he did the same thing. He knew more force and effort was required. But honestly. Cloud is still human. With human insides. If you impale someone in the chest you're gonna hit something vital. There's the heart, lungs, spine, aorta. All of that. You get impaled through the chest and you've only got a few seconds before dying.
As for Aerith, it was more in the mid-section, and anyways, she didn't linger very long either. She died right on the spot. Her eyes widened and then she was gone.
Even where death follows within seconds, it's not quite on the same level as running a blade through the brain.
The difference is pretty negligible, man. Cloud's a human. Not a zombie! It's not like a head shot is the only way to kill him.
I disagree that he went for the face. Seph wouldn't have killed him without making that "What do you cherish most?" line first.
...What? Are you really telling me Sephiroth had the whole moment rehearsed down to the timing of when he'd say what and when he'd do the killing?
Sephiroth is vindictive and a plotter, but that's just ridiculous. He's not Kuja-level in terms of his absurdity. And he's not Naraku either. That's kinda silly. He didn't have the entire fight played out down to the very bit of dialogue he'd say.
Sephiroth: Is this...the pain you felt before, Cloud?
Cloud: ......
Sephiroth:
Cloud? CLOUD?! Don't you dare fucking die now! I haven't finished this!!! WAKE UP!!! *shakes him and then heals him*
Cloud: What....?
Sephiroth: As I was saying...is this...the pain you felt before, Cloud? STAY AWAKE!
Cloud: ....Oh jeez...
Maybe, but it's never been indicated. Seems easier to just go with what was shown to us.
Hell, on one occasion in the Temple of the Ancients, Seph's figure floats down behind Cloud and the others without anyone seeing it.
Which is highly indicative of Sephiroth/Jenova being able to project illusions. You don't think Sephiroth/Jenova can make shadow clones, do you? All of that is illusion. Just like how Sephiroth recreated the Nibelheim inferno in the Northern Crater for Cloud. Just like how Cloud suddenly appeared out of nowhere in the Materia Cave in the Northern Crater to give Sephiroth the Black Materia. That's not teleportation. That's all illusionary shit. Sephiroth and Jenova can't phase through crap or split themselves in two any more than Cloud can just suddenly appear out of nowhere.
Then he'd have killed them while they were still immobile in front of him, yes?
Perhaps that was intent had they not struggled and resisted his will. They were in considerable pain as well. I highly doubt that it was just a harmless attack.
Looked like the same one that stabbed him was doing the monologuing to me. In any case, Seph entered the room when he wasn't there before -- and it was shown from the perspective of the Temple spirits rather than Tseng.
This is either teleportation or phasing through -- so the overall function remains the same. Since we see the figure seemingly float in from nowhere, I'd call it phasing.
...You don't think he was just
hidden in the room? We don't even see Sephiroth pass through anything. He just swoops down from above. He could've been levitating towards the ceiling. He could've hidden his appearance. Which is definitely in step with all the other abilities he's shown, such as the whole illusionary mind fuck in the Northern Crater.
Vince did. Don't think the others did, though.
And Vince is the guy who Nojima said would have probably walked away from Bahamut Sin if his old comrades weren't fighting it.
Still is a contradiction though. Nomura was referring to the group never using materia again and sure enough, one of them did. And Yuffie used materia as well. There are two materia orbs in Yuffie's shuriken when she hurls it at Rosso to save Vincent with her Flash spell.
And it's not really that sudden an assertion. The energy has to come from somewhere. It's always been said that using materia allows someone to use the planet's energy
Fair enough.
I think it's that plus ego-stroking. Or, more to the point, that because of ego-stroking.
Well that's likely, yeah.
I agree, but I don't think it means we have a Limit Break at work. Unless Hollander has the shittiest Limit Break we've ever seen.
Limit Break, Overdrive, Hyper Mode, you know what I mean.
I'd say its indicative of a heightened state with his abilities and powers greater than his normal form. Just like in FFVII, Dissidia, etc. It's the literal "One Winged Angel" trope in action.
But not at all God-like.
We are shown that he needed energy beyond himself to cast its opposite, though.
Well that's cause he's casting a spell. He needs the energy to manifest and cast the spell. But his will alone is enough to subjugate and control the actual order of existence. His
will. His desire and thought is enough to change the actual coarse of the planet and stop the ultimate white magic spell.
True enough -- but the fact that he cared enough about Holy to say "We must stop that girl" soon tells me Holy was a problem for him. As does the fact that doing things usually requires effort. XD
Well he doesn't want any unnecessary interruptions, and Sephiroth probably had no idea how strong Holy would be.
And doing things requires effort yes, but it does not take much effort at all to have a desire. If you were Sephiroth, and your will was for a car not to move, then the car wouldn't move. That would be the end of it. Holy didn't even hicup when Sephiroth was killed. Because his will, his desire, did not change. It wasn't until his very spirit was scattered to the winds that his will-hold over Holy finally let go.
At least we agreed on most of this. Fun debate.
Agreed
