He resisted his first death in the Nibelheim reactor and, after that, he also resisted Jenova's atempt of taking over, gaining control of it/her instead.
Yes but why would this matter in a contest of power? He resisted her influence just like dozens of other people who have Jenova Cells in them. Of course you could say the influence was stronger on him but even so, I don't see why it would give him a highe rposition on the list.
After that, he was able to hold Holy at bay, a spell arguably as powerful as Meteor itself.
Good point but it's more an out-of-combat power. Why else would he make the barrier around Northern Crater? Seems he didn't want anyone to mess with him while he put his power into keeping it at bay.
And, once again, he was able to resist his own diffusion into the Lifestream after being killed in the Northen Crater.
You can't really quantify this... It just means he died but avoided completely dying. It's not really a feat that matters much in a contest of power.
After that, he was able to overcome the cycle and separate himself from it, while at the same time corrupting a very large amount of Spirit Energy through Geostigma, separating it from the normal Lifestream to create a new kind of Lifestream and achieving, to an extent, what he wanted to achieve in FFVII.
Though he didn't fully achieve his goals, through his spirit/will alone, Sephiroth was able to go beyond the laws of Nature and become an antithesis to the very source of life in the Planet.
I did concede the Negative Lifestream giving him additional power and moving him up the list.
Also, why is the fact that the Emperor achieved his goals and Sephiroth did not indicative of their relative power? Couldn't that speak more to the power of their opponents?
Look at it this way.
Sephiroth's will allowed him to make the Bishie Brothers.
But this wouldn't mean jack in a talk about power except he partly achieved his goal in creating the Negative Lifestream.
Had the Emperor started to conquer Hell bu then been stopped, we all wouldn't be having this little talk.
Completing their goals = power. The Emperor achieved a huge increase in power by accomplishing his goals. Sephiroth achieved a minor increase because he never succeeded.
Willpower allowed them to start out on their mission but I think it's the end result of that will that matter and not the will itself.
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Mako Eyes said:
A symptom of the storyline context of their confrontations, and gameplay mechanics, nothing more. Never does the story state that Squall is incapable or out of his league, that he needs help to fight Seifer. Ever.
I'm never told Squall is an emotional cripple with abandonment issues either.
But that's probably because it's obvious.
Your trying to brush away a fact doesn't make it go away. If Squall could beat Seifer one-on-one then the game would have had us face him one-on-one like they did on Disk....1. But they obviously didn't see fit too so using basic logic, the reason would be because Squall no longer can beat Seifer in a fair fight.
And Squall can go head to head with Ultimecia and win. Your point? I'm pretty sure Squall could be arsed to do the same if he felt the need to slaughter a GF.
Red herring. Ultimecia and Odin have nothing in common.
Also your "well he could do that too!" is pure speculation and can't b eused in an actual debate.
Taking ATB combat at face value is hilarious and insane.
Odin can use Zantetsuken. We know this. It kills...anything because, as the scan of Odin say, it can cut anything.
When he uses Zantetsuken, he kills the party.
This is one of the more clearcut cases of a battle. I think of it like Id vs. Bart in Xenogears. Id does nothing for a while until he feels like it at which point he desroys Bart.
Seifer countered it, but again, explain to me how that proves Squall could conceivably not do the same thing?
I'm afraid I can't prove a negative. If he never did do what Seifer did however and nothing directly sahs he could, that is proof enough that he can't.
If you believe he can you'd have to post evidence to prove that claim.
Because controlling the planet's lifestream with the flick of the wrist, is skyscraperbursting...okay.
He doesn't control the Planet's lifestream; just a fraction of it.
And I already conceded this point.
Hello bias, how are you today?
I'm doing quite well. How are you Mr. Pot?
And I'd say creating an incurable chronic disease that allows for the creation of your own personal lifestream, and revival to take over the planet and turn it into a cosmic Volkswagen...all with the power of your will and spirit, is just as substantial as being able to will yourself back to life and conquer heaven and hell.
Alas Sephiroth failed dismally and never turned the planet into anything. Believe me if he had changed he planet into his body and started cruising the galaxy I'd rank him much higher. But he didn't.
That's ridiculous. Squall has shown himself more than capable at standing even and beating Seifer, with no evidence at all of Seifer ever surpassing Squall. So how does that lead you to the conclusion Seifer is stronger? Because he beat Odin?
Yep.
No, Squall does NOT need two people to help him beat Seifer. They were just there along with him due to the plot and situation. Never is it stated he needed help.
Listen, I'm going by the story. You're trying to ignore the story. Squall only fights Seifer when he has two people helping him. That's a fact and you cannot dispute it. If you wanna defy all logic and say he's doing it for no reason, be my guest.
Now you're just being silly.
That was the intention, yes.
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