Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy

[Arianna]

Is this source trustworthy?

I agree. If this is truly where the story is going...

Maybe this is not fan-service but fan-hate we're experiencing...

 

[OneWingedDemon]

....I officially ship Kain/Tifa.

That all.

 

[Elisa Maza]

Join the club! <3

I have pics.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Hey now, it's not the character's fault for being badly written.

Well if I can't judge Tifa based on her story than what can I judge her on? Besides, if she's a badly written character then yes, it is her fault since she *is* the character. A character is what you make them to be.

 

[Elisa Maza]

Terra is a retarded weakling who needs to be saved all the time.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

That's not the same. Terra had an established backstory and character to be ruined. Tifa really didn't, her personality and backstory have always been written in relation to Cloud. This time it wasn't, she was on her own forming her own story and character arc. In essence it was like writing for Warrior of Light or Onion Knight, they were writing her character in a new light. And they made her suck. A better point of comparison would be Cecil, who they explored in a new light in Dissidia with regards to his connection to Golbez and his feelings about it rather than just the focused and confident leader he was in FF4, or Jecht who didn't get much dynamic with Tidus from his side of the relationship.

EDIT - LagunaxCoD is canon, spread the word! 6:10

 

[Roger]

Cecil has much more of an established background, personality and relationship with his brother and Kain then Slave Crown era Terra, and they threw it all out in his case too in favor of the uke they gave us.

Now she may get saved twice in this game -which indeed is apparently Tifa's thing as betrayal is for Kain, being on shitty speaking terms with the male co-lead is for Lightning and being down about something, anything, is for Cloud- in terms of personality and emotional strength Tifa got a better deal then most. When Kain offered her to bow out of the fighting and take a (dirt)nap she tells him no, and he only thing he'll get to do in the way of protecting her is fight alongside her. Now complete, unwavering unnegotiable faith in her allies apparantly being what defines Tifa doesn't feel particularly accurate to me, but again, better then Cosmos, Firion, Cecil, Terra, Yuna and Tidus. Beggars can't be choosers.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

Now complete, unwavering unnegotiable faith in her allies apparantly being what defines Tifa doesn't feel particularly accurate to me

Me neither, hence my disgruntlement.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Well I'm not the former so I choose the latter.

 

[ForceStealer]

You thought DoC was good. I'm content in not trusting your ability to gauge things

I just had fun with it... You won't see me list is as a favorite game or anything...

Also:

Square Enix added a new entry in its "Larger Than Life" apps for the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. If you're keeping up with the Final Fantasy franchise, you'll probably know immediately what this one's all about. For those who don't, its a tie-in for the recent PlayStation Portable exclusive, Dissidia Duodecim: Final Fantasy.

The app is officially called the "Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy Larger-than-Life Gallery". Like the ones for Final Fantasy XIII and Final Fantasy VII Advent Children Complete before it, the app has high-resolution images that can be zoomed in to for finer detail.

The images range from Duodecim artist Tetsuya Nomura's illustrations of famous Final Fantasy characters to beautiful CG poster art. The app also lets users set their favorite image to any size for use as a calendar or clock background.

The new Larger Than Life app is now out on the App Store. You can download it for US$ 5.99

Six bucks?! They're pictures! Who the hell would buy that? I'm not all that inclined to berate Square as much as whoever does, because they wouldn't charge that if they didn't think they could.

 

[Max Payne]

Well if I can't judge Tifa based on her story than what can I judge her on? Besides, if she's a badly written character then yes, it is her fault since she *is* the character. A character is what you make them to be.

Um no. She's not badly written in FF7.

Just because her latest appearance is badly written doesn't mean the character itself is. That's retarded.

That's not the same. Terra had an established backstory and character to be ruined. Tifa really didn't, her personality and backstory have always been written in relation to Cloud.

Herp derp, you say she didn't have a backstory and personality then turn around and say she did. Tifa was depicted as a strong, loving woman who cares deeply about her friends, and loved Cloud deeply. How did she not have a personality to be ruined? That's nonsense.

It absolutely is the same. They took what she was, and shat all over it, just like they did with Terra.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

Terra is a retarded weakling who needs to be saved all the time.

ur a retarded weakling ur just jelos of her sincere relationship with lock!!!!!1



tl;dr: Square Enix forgets the characterizations of its own characters like your senile grandparent forgets to take their medication and as such proceeds to shit on whatever characterization has been established prior.

basically, nothing new to see here

 

[Super Mario]

Fuck it, I'm just gonna play for Tifa and the newly tweaked versions of Jecht and Emperor.... Pirated of course.

 

[Ite]

Um no. She's not badly written in FF7.
Just because her latest appearance is badly written doesn't mean the character itself is. That's retarded.
Herp derp, you say she didn't have a backstory and personality then turn around and say she did. Tifa was depicted as a strong, loving woman who cares deeply about her friends, and loved Cloud deeply. How did she not have a personality to be ruined? That's nonsense.
It absolutely is the same. They took what she was, and shat all over it, just like they did with Terra.

QFT

I think people may be confusing "NOT MELODRAMATIC" with "BORING." Just because Tifa has normal problems (like pursuing someone who is alive) doesn't make her flat or uninteresting. She's a supporting character, of course her role in the story is to support the protagonist. Well written characters are developed on their own, sure, but if it has nothing to do with the development of the protagonist, it's (in my opinion) not very good writing. That's why I think Tifa is more well written than, say, Vincent, who has a shit-ton of backstory and development but minimal relevance.

Tifa is incredibly well written in the original game. She even acts as the party leader after escaping from a gas chamber and slapping a bitch on top of a cannon. Her backstory is well developed, her motivations are clear, and one of the most interesting things about her was the fact that she knew more than the rest of the party but didn't say anything until it was too late. If Dissidia was going to re-hash everyone's character arcs anyway, why didn't they go with that part of her?

Instead, they go with Advent Children Rinoa/Tifa. Fucking shoot me.

 

[looneymoon]

That's not the same. Terra had an established backstory and character to be ruined. Tifa really didn't, her personality and backstory have always been written in relation to Cloud. This time it wasn't, she was on her own forming her own story and character arc. In essence it was like writing for Warrior of Light or Onion Knight, they were writing her character in a new light. And they made her suck. A better point of comparison would be Cecil, who they explored in a new light in Dissidia with regards to his connection to Golbez and his feelings about it rather than just the focused and confident leader he was in FF4, or Jecht who didn't get much dynamic with Tidus from his side of the relationship.

I'm all for arguing that Tifa needs to get a plot not tied to Cloud, but that an entirely different claim than saying she has no personality or back story. Comparing her to Onion Knight, who is essentially a blank slate character, is just silly. Even comparing her to Cecil is pretty out there imo. His personality was largely reliant on his archetype.

 

[DrakeClawfang]

This is just bad, and yet it's so damn funny.

http://www.schala-kitty.net/pandaemonium/ff7/ff7-notagain-wall.jpg

 

[Ite]

The problem with putting supporting characters in Dissidia is that so much of their character development is also about establishing the gameworld.

Throw Cloud in another universe and nobody's really gonna bat an eyelash. He's the hero of the story and he's going to act the way a hero does. Throw his nemesis in there too and you can happily rehash his arc without too much thought.

But who was Tifa's nemesis? Her character in FFVII is as much a construct of the gameworld as it is an influence on it -- and that's the same with most supporting characters. Tifa's made up entirely of hating Shinra and persevering after a long cavalcade of disasters makes her homeless. Twice. There isn't any Shinra in Dissidia, just a gambit of baddies on "the enemy side". Unlike Laguna to Squall, Tifa isn't a foil to Cloud -- that was Aeris' job. Tifa's personality is woven so intimately into the setting she came from that of course pulling her out of it doesn't give you anything.

 

[Max Payne]

But who was Tifa's nemesis? Her character in FFVII is as much a construct of the gameworld as it is an influence on it -- and that's the same with most supporting characters. Tifa's made up entirely of hating Shinra and persevering after a long cavalcade of disasters makes her homeless. Twice. There isn't any Shinra in Dissidia, just a gambit of baddies on "the enemy side". Unlike Laguna to Squall, Tifa isn't a foil to Cloud -- that was Aeris' job. Tifa's personality is woven so intimately into the setting she came from that of course pulling her out of it doesn't give you anything.

Tifa kinda had a hard on for Sephiroth too. Y'know, with all the father killing and town burning.

 

[Cloud_S]

Well this sucks. Despite the fact that both games are from the same region (NA), with the original being undubbed, my save game from the original appears as "corrupted data" to Dissidia Duodecim.

Just thought I'd give anyone else who had done the same, and wanted to import their data.

 

[Ite]

Tifa kinda had a hard on for Sephiroth too. Y'know, with all the father killing and town burning.

Then they should have given her a scene with him in which she knew what the fuck was going on.

 

[Max Payne]

Then they should have given her a scene with him in which she knew what the fuck was going on.

You're right about that for sure.

 

[OneWingedDemon]

LOL watchoo mean unwavering devotion & faith =/= Tifa? Play teh fucking game again.

Granted, it's exaggerated to the point it becomes dumb and nauseating here ("you...pointing your weapon at me? Well, that's fine, I'm sure deep down you LOOOOVE ME"), but it's Dissidia. They're all caricatures of their former selves.

 

[Splintered]

Just because her latest appearance is badly written doesn't mean the character itself is. That's retarded.

I wish this could be copy and pasted into every thread. That way it'll be easier to work with the massive influx of fans that think Cloud= Kingdom Hearts/Advent Children/Dissidia.

but it's Dissidia. They're all caricatures of their former selves

Yeah, I think the problem is taht they mold their characters from selected ideas drawn from their stories. Terra was victimized in VI. But despite her fears she overcame it- that was the whole point. But in Dissidia, Terra's character focus was not on becoming stronger (although it arguable did happen), most of the time she was left playing victim.

Tifa DOES have an issue with being extremely character dependent. It works with her personality because her focus has always been on the relationships she has with people (be it friends, lovers/crushes, or her children) and her inability to communicate what she really feels with the people. It doesn't mean she's a bad character, or poorly written at all. Or that she lacks a personality. Fang in XIII is character dependent, but I don't think anyone would argue she has no personality or backstory (however you consider her character development).

Anyway, for Tifa, they took that one part of her character, the one that supports others, and ran with that and ignored everything else. I'm not sure why anybody is surprised that Dissidia short changed her. It's Dissidia, it makes a rule of fucking up characters.

 

[Max Payne]

I don't really think anyone is that surprised

 

[OneWingedDemon]

and her inability to communicate what she really feels with the people.

This only really applies to Cloud. Just because she doesn't run her mouth like Aeris or annoy the shit out of people like yuffie, she is not some socially awkward little thing. The woman is the face of 7th heaven ffs.

Fang in XIII is character dependent, but I don't think anyone would argue she has no personality or backstory (however you consider her character development).

I...want to forgive you for bringing up XIII, but I can't. No. NO FUCK NO!

But yeah, I don't get the bullshit that because her story is deeply woven into the protagonist's she is a weak character. Mind. Boggled.

 

[looneymoon]

Fang in XIII is character dependent, but I don't think anyone would argue she has no personality or backstory (however you consider her character development).

Fang also isn't the lead heroine of her game, which is where I think the issue really arises.

That and well... I feel like I'm opening a can of worms, but the hopelessly devoted waifu trope can just be a really aggravating thing to see time and time again. Especially when female characters in general have a tendency to be regulated to those types of roles without having a significant arc of their own. The trope can be annoying without the actual character having to be.