Dissidia Duodecim Final Fantasy
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Roger
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I can quote her "whining" about great number of other things though, if that is wha you insist on calling it. Terra really doesn't strike me as further away from her original character then Cloud or Golbez or hell, Vaan is substituting Locke here but there's no Terra equivalent in FFXII, he's more in a different position then usual then Terra is.
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Ⓐaron
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Yeah, none of that comes even remotely close to being "whining." "Whining" is almost always used to refer to annoying complaints about completely insignificant crap. None of what Terra has to deal with at that point of the game is in any way insignificant. Seriously, not having family or friends is supposed to be something you're just not supposed to talk about? That's absurd. Terra has real problems, and just because she talks about them doesn't make her whiny.
Roger
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And what, having your brain taken over by evil people and being capable of attempting to kill the only person you (probably) have memory of being nice to you ever, is something your average character should be expected to get over? I don't doubt Terra's life isn't really one worth living in Duodecim.
I mean, no ones is, it's fighting for like a week and then reset, so unless you are doing Tifa in the meantime then what's point but you get what I mean.
I mean, no ones is, it's fighting for like a week and then reset, so unless you are doing Tifa in the meantime then what's point but you get what I mean.
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Did Terra angst in FF6? Absolutely. But no matter how much I rack my brain, I don't recall her ever having a death wish. THAT is character derailment.
Also, just to whore my shit :p.
Also, just to whore my shit :p.
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This is correct, even though there was always a chance of her being put under the slave crown again and doing all the awful shit she did when under Kefka's control. So in other words for most of FFVI's course she was in more or less the exact same situation she's in in Duodecim, except she had arguably even more bullshit to deal with.
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What Aaron and Drake said.
Terra went through shit comparable to what she is in Dissidia, but she was never that fucking weak.
Being downtrodden because of what you've gone through is not whining, squealing that you want to die because you can't take it anymore when you've handled similar shit before without a death wish is.
Terra went through shit comparable to what she is in Dissidia, but she was never that fucking weak.
Being downtrodden because of what you've gone through is not whining, squealing that you want to die because you can't take it anymore when you've handled similar shit before without a death wish is.
Roger
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Except there was never any chance of that at all. Kefka looked for her at Figaro once and she didn't even recognise him. After that the plot point for the Empire wanting to reacquire her was dropped entirely. And here the universe's size is about four footballs fields big, I think there's just a tinsy tiny bit bigger chance of her being put under slave crown here, maybe that just me.
And being handed similiar shit what? Do you honestly think Terra has more then the past five minutes worth of memory in that scene?
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That's all speculation. There's no evidence that the Empire ever stopped trying to recapture Terra until around the time the banquet with the Emperor occurred (at which point they simply started trying to control her in another manner), and even if they did stop trying to capture her, Terra would have absolutely no way of knowing that. Furthermore, there is plenty of evidence that there is more than one Slave Crown; in every translation, Arvis specifically refers to it as "a Slave Crown," not "the Slave Crown." The size of the universe is largely irrelevant; the fact remains that in FFVI's universe there is still every possibility that Terra will be recaptured and forced to do the Empire's bidding once again.
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Roger
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Bet you anything, Terra's one of the ones with no memory.
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Just because she has no memory doesn't mean her manner of reaction to traumatic events should change that dramatically. She's amnesiac for a large portion of FFVI too and that doesn't stop her from dealing pretty well with all the crap thrown her way. At least, she never expresses a desire to fucking die.
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Apparently Cloud is too, but that doesn't seem to be stopping him from being Cloud. Same goes for Tifa, and Sephiroth.
Roger
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Pretty well? She spends the first few hours of the game just going along with Locke because she doesn't what to do or how to act, love, live, anything, here she (for whatever reason) understands the peril of plight, thus a different reaction.
And yeah, I'm not saying there was only one Slave Crown, Terra wasn't even the only person the Empire put under them, wasn't even the only one Arvis watched come back from it. It's something everyone in that world lives with.
And Terra had no knowledge of them stopping to look for her?! She never made recognition of the fact that they wanted her to begin with, while being established as being audibly afraid of other things, mind you.
And yeah, I'm not saying there was only one Slave Crown, Terra wasn't even the only person the Empire put under them, wasn't even the only one Arvis watched come back from it. It's something everyone in that world lives with.
And Terra had no knowledge of them stopping to look for her?! She never made recognition of the fact that they wanted her to begin with, while being established as being audibly afraid of other things, mind you.
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In the final confrontation between the three of them, yes. If Terra is still asking Vaan to kill her at the end of her story, that I would have a problem with. A character taking a different road to get where they are over a different story, I'm not torn up over it.
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Who said that was their final confrontation? That's pure assumption to my knowledge.
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Her reaction in the first game is a hell of a lot better than wanting to fucking die. For the most part she's pretty damn stoic actually. Besides it's pretty obvious that she goes along with Locke and the rest because they treat her well and basically give her a choice. Whereas Kefka controlled her fucking mind. And in the Japanese version it's also implied that he raped her. Not that she'd remember that, but she'd at least know that she'd had no choice in anything she did with the Empire.
But not everyone in the world knows what it's like. Terra has direct experience with it. A large portion of her life has been completely erased from her memory and all she knows about it is that she was under the complete control of a total psychopath.
They probably didn't bother to mention it because it's obvious. If you've been under the control of a complete psychopath, and there's a chance of you being put under the control of that same complete psychopath again, it's pretty obvious you'd want to do everything you could to prevent that from happening.
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Roger
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I was assuming about why she wanted to die too. I dunno what the context of that conversation was.Yeah, I'll assume the part where Cloud and Tifa team up against Sephiroth is about the end of their story. Maybe a boss battle after that. This is all just a hunch.
Roger
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Yeah Terra knows what's like to... not remember what it was like. And if anything includes, death. Then there you are. Maybe for whatever reason, here she does remember attacking the good guys.
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You just admitted Terra is amnesiac in Duodecim as well. There is absolutely no evidence that Terra remembers anything. Besides, even if she does remember killing innocents, it's entirely possible that having no memory of your time as a slave and subsequently wondering whether you probably killed hundreds of innocent people could be worse. Since (I'm assuming) you've never gone through either experience, you can't imagine how you'd react to either experience, and even if you had, every person reacts differently. However, wanting to die is a radical shift in Terra's character that makes no sense whatsoever.
Roger
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I can't admit to anything. I'm guessing here. We don't know why she wants to die. I think it has something to do with the whole mindcontrol thing. Batman said she should be like this after going through FFVI, I don't think this Terra remembers the events in FFVI, like Tifa and Sephiroth don't remember their previous worlds either. Or she could just be taken from an early stage in her character development, like Tidus and Onion Knight in the first Dissidia. I haven't actually played this game yet. Whether SE had her remember ****ing up Onion Knight or whoever under the Slave Crown, I dunno either. I will not say that Terra strikes me of such impossible emotional texterity that she will never no matter what under any circumstances be driven to suicide, as you do.
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I never said she'd under any circumstances be driven to suicide, but it's plainly obvious that she no longer wants to be alive from the materials we've been shown. This is a dramatic shift in her character that makes no sense whatsoever. The Terra of FFVI, particularly after she undergoes her character development (and none of the other characters in Dissidia contradict their character development as far as I'm aware), would want to live so she could kick the ass of whomever was responsible for putting her under their control in the first place, regardless of what she'd been put through or what she remembered.
In any case your speculation that something must be different this time is just that: speculation. Nothing we've been shown indicates that there is anything different in the circumstances beyond the way she reacts, and thus her completely different reaction has yet to be justified. It's shoddy writing and the fact that Square Enix is presenting it to us as promotional materials for the game without feeling as though they have any obligation to justify it does not bode well for the finished product.