Doctor Who!!~

[Rumpelstiltskin]

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Hasn't there been a screen of the doctors bony hand lying on the beach floating about the internet?

That to be just seems a bit too much like the demise of the Master.

After what River said to him about hi legacy I can see him wanting to be believed as dead so that River can go free. She was created with killing the doctor in mind after all, rather apt that his end game is to actually die by her hand and then steal her away after all is said and done and everyone believes him dead (especially amy/rory)


In regards to river always being able to slip through time, I always assumed she would inherit the tardis after the dr's demise and that would explain how she can pilot it so much better than he can. That in mind it doesn't mean the tardis had to stay the same shape that the Dr has it.

Either that or the Dr makes his way back to try and build a new tardis from the remnants of the destroyed ones he found.
After all she is the secon last timelord!

 

[Alex]

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I'm wondering if this means that the Ponds and their daughter will be leaving after this season.

I don't know anything about Melody, but comments made by Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill seem to suggest that they're moving on from Doctor Who after this season and taking up other projects that they would be have to be involved in during the time of the year they would normally be filming Who.

But there's been no official indication either way, just speculation.

 

[Ryushikaze]

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Twice in what order? or just to cover the her being little Melody Pond, regenerating and then her being River Song?

Spoiler: What's that, Romana?

The Once as the Pondling, once as River. Seeing the juxtaposition between her two ages. Part of why I want to wait for more episode and possibly a new River.
This gives me a curious sort of thought- imagine her regeneration episode. The entire episode, she's a different character, and at the very end, the old River again, and then all subsequent appearances are the new actress.

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That's also been making me curious. River's aware of the nature of generating a paradox, as well as the Blinovitch Limitation Effect, which is why she doesn't interfere with the events in this episode until the VERY end. I doubt Moffat would make that mistake, as it's something he's been mindful of in the past.

There's a clue that the suit may have been able to move autonomously, but if it was empty, one would assume it'd have attempted to take the Doctor afterwards. River also says something along the lines of, "No, of course it wouldn't..." after shooting at the suit retreating into the lake, and I assume that means something. The Doctor also tells them not to interfere, and he couldn't stop her shooting, as he was deceased by then. Interested to see how this plays out, and fills in the question of who blew up the TARDIS, and the Cracks in Time as well.

Spoiler: Reverse the Jelly Baby of the Neutron Flow

Yeah, pretty certain that the suit contains either A: Melody just before being secreted to become River. B: The doctor, in a glorious plan rivaling 7's greatest.

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I understand the basic principle of the regenerations is that as the body dies the regeneration begins and recreates a new body for the doctor. In river's case her death was immediate and her personality kept within the data recorder and then placed within the AI of the library to essentially keep her alive forever.

Im just curious if they are going to try and make it out that this is not the end of River and they try to put her back into the plot more.

Spoiler: THE RANI! THE RANI! RORY IS THE RANI!

Not for some time. Her arc is all about being backwards to the doctor, and they need to go through that first.

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Her talk with Tennant essentially created the idea that before she came and met him in the library she had killed him once and for all. Afterall he has died several times in the past an I hardly think she would be incarcerated for her entire life on the basis she killed just one of his regenerations.

Also anyone else thinking his death will somehome be related to the Master's rise in the last series?

Spoiler: What? No. Presposterous. Impossible. Let's do it.

No, I'm not sure it is. I'm certain his death is some scheme, but he might be something as simple as pulling Kavorian's trick in reverse. Yes, even after the Ganger episodes.

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Hasn't there been a screen of the doctors bony hand lying on the beach floating about the internet?

That to be just seems a bit too much like the demise of the Master.

After what River said to him about hi legacy I can see him wanting to be believed as dead so that River can go free. She was created with killing the doctor in mind after all, rather apt that his end game is to actually die by her hand and then steal her away after all is said and done and everyone believes him dead (especially amy/rory)

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For me, this is where the scheme seems to be headed.

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In regards to river always being able to slip through time, I always assumed she would inherit the tardis after the dr's demise and that would explain how she can pilot it so much better than he can. That in mind it doesn't mean the tardis had to stay the same shape that the Dr has it.

Either that or the Dr makes his way back to try and build a new tardis from the remnants of the destroyed ones he found.
After all she is the secon last timelord!

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Fourth. Maybe 5th. Possibly more.
Doctor, Master, Jenny, Melody. Also Susan and Romana, possibly, in 2150 and E-space.

 

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Spoiler: Moffat sez:

14 eps + Matt DEFINITELY. I've got a plan and I'm NOT TELLING YOU WHAT IT IS.
Now hush or River shoots you with her Spoiler Gun.

(News post of Matt Smith being officially signed for 14 more episodes).


The comments are full of people who really want to see more of Madame Vashtra and Steampunk Jenny. I forgot to mention how awesome their characters were in A Good Man Goes To War.

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[Ryushikaze]

http://www.teefury.com/

Want 11 doctors on your front? If you do, you have 8 hours left to get it there.

 

[Russell]

Matt Smith is confirmed for an Xmas special and another series:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...irms-Matt-Smith-For-Another-Doctor-Who-Season

Good news, because bow ties are cool.

 

[Sheva Alomar]

You need to read what others have posted, Russ.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

If anyone reads the webcomic A Softer World, you NEED to check out the A Doctor World tumblr. They replace the images from A Softer World with images from Doctor Who, and keep the original text, it's amazing. I've submitted a bunch, and two of mine've been posted so far. The page itself has spoilers for A Good Man Goes to War.

Spoiler: Here're my submissions in the order I made them, for those interested (Last Updated: 6/15/2011):

6/9/2011

6/10/2011

6/15/2011

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[X-SOLDIER]

Matt Smith and Karen Gillan make their triumphant return as the Doctor and his companion in an all-new series of Doctor Who! The new series will split in two parts, with DVD/Blu-ray release dates in July and in early November, closely following their premiere runs on BBC America, and then a complete series gift set just in time for the holidays. In Part 1, the Doctor, Amy and Rory find themselves in Sixties America, battling the invasion the world forgot, then journey on the high seas of 1696 aboard a pirate ship, to solve the mystery of the Siren. In a bubble universe at the very edge of reality, the Doctor meets an old friend with a new face, and in a monastery on a remote island in the near future, an industrial accident takes on a terrible human shape. And waiting for them, at the end of all this, is the battle of Demon’s Run, and the Doctor’s darkest hour. Can even the truth about River Song save the Time Lord’s soul? Only two things are certain. Silence will fall. And a good man is going to die…

IT'S BEING RELEASED IN JULY!?!? FFFUUUCCCKKK YYYEEESSS!!!!


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[Mantichorus]

Spoiler: Are you my mummy?

Still not entirely happy with the reveal, but I've realised a couple of things that are brilliant in hindsight because of it:

1) During Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone, River seems to keep trying to impress Amy. What child can resist showing off to their parents?

2) Every time River has met Rory, she's seemed a little in awe of him. Now remember Amy's little speech to Melody about her father...

Also,

Spoiler: running gag

 

[X-SOLDIER]

http://io9.com/5811945/confirmed-no-full-season-of-doctor-who-in-2012

Last week a nasty Doctor Who rumor was circulating — that even though Matt Smith has signed on to do another 14 Doctor Who episodes, there wouldn't be a full season next year. Sadly, these suspicions have been confirmed.

Danny Cohen, Controller of BBC One, was speaking at an event where we got the first confirmation that Doctor Who would NOT becoming back for a full season in 2012. A member of the audience, Wayne Clarke, confirmed via twitter that "Danny Cohen says there won't be a full series of Doctor Who in 2012, but a special run for the anniversary in 2013."

Which means that perhaps only a few episodes from the new season will air next year, and the rest will air in 2013. Cohen joked that the delay was due to Steven Moffat's other commitments on Sherlock Holmes, but the BBC later clarified that this wasn't the real reason (according to the BBC's Lizo Mzimba.)

But at the very least, let's hope this means the 50th anniversary will be an even bigger celebration of the show's long history, with tons of cameos and a huge storyline.

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[Mantichorus]

Kinda sucks 2012 won't be a full season. I expect it's cos of the Olympics. But hopefully... hopefully... as part of the anniversary, we'll get a multi-Doctor adventure. *fingers crossed*

Down from Heaven comes ELEVEN
and there's HELL to pay below
shout "GERONIMO" "GERONIMO".

Found this little gem courtesy of TVTropes. Apparently, it's a paratrooper song from WWII, and the origin of saying "geronimo" before you leap. Eleven comes into it as there were eleven troopers in a squad.

As they say on the End of Time recap page, that's probably just a coincidence, though...

And,

Spoiler: another titbit from TVTropes

apparently there's a sighting of one of the Silence in The Beast Below. I have neither the DVDs or a fast enough connection to use youtube to confirm this. Can anyone confirm/deny this??

 

[X-SOLDIER]

And,

Spoiler: another titbit from TVTropes

apparently there's a sighting of one of the Silence in The Beast Below. I have neither the DVDs or a fast enough connection to use youtube to confirm this. Can anyone confirm/deny this??

Where in the episode? I'd be willing to look.

Also - I made a pretty large speculation about what's going on with the end of the series, and it's FULL of potential spoilerish material, but anyone reading my stuff should know that by now, and I wanted to know what you folks think.

Spoiler: More Spoilerish Speculation

• Where things are headed in Doctor Who Speculation: Part 1
• Where things are headed in Doctor Who Speculation: Part 2

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[Mantichorus]

Where in the episode? I'd be willing to look.

Unfortunately, it gives a very vague "near the beginning" explanation. But thinking back, I do kinda remember a "WTF was that?" shock with Amy around the workman's tent that was never given any context.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Oh, ok. I think what they're referring to is another of Amy's odd reactions when she's first on board the ship, but I think that's general surroundings. It's another of the "did Amy see a Silence" sightings, like he awkward reactions on the TARDIS in 'The Lodger.'


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[Mantichorus]

I've actually found a list of supposed/possible Silence encounters in Eleventh's first season.

http://thehellofitall.tumblr.com/post/4457816423/doctor-who-silent-sightings-in-series-5

 

[X-SOLDIER]

First of all: There's an article about the darker version of The Doctor's Wife, and some stuff about the Silence that's pretty awesome.



I watched the River Song episodes & learned some interesting facts.

The description of what the Pandorica was built to hold is the same thing that the Army fears.

The Doctor: There was a goblin, or a trickster. Or a warrior. A nameless, terrible thing. Soaked in the blood of a billion galaxies. The most feared being in all the cosmos. And nothing could stop it, or hold it or... reason with it. One day it would just drop out of the sky and tear down your world.
Amy: How did it end up in there?
The Doctor: You know fairy tales. A good wizard tricked it.
River: I hate good wizards in fairy tales. They always turn out to be him.
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Colonel Manton: He is not the devil. He is not a god. He is not a goblin or a phantom or a trickster. The Doctor is a living, breathing man. And as I look around this room I know one thing: we're sure as hell gonna fix that.

Also, Amy is the reason that River warns them about the Pandorica.

Amy: Okay, this Pandorica thing. Last time we saw you, you warned us about it after we climbed out of the Byzantium.
River: Spoilers.
Amy: No, but you told the Doctor you'd see him again when the Pandorica opens.
River: Maybe I did. But I haven't yet. But I will have.
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River: Hm. It's a long story, Doctor. Can't be told. Has to be lived. No sneak previews. Well. Except for this one. You'll see me again quite soon. When the Pandorica opens.

Also, I noticed that River seemingly stops using her hallucinagenic lipstick after Season 5, but she is also kissing the Doctor before then, so it might be that she can't risk it, or maybe she still does, and we just don't know, which got me thinking and wondering more about our latest villian.

What the hell is the connection between River & Kovarian? Because it feels like there's a twist that hasn't been sprung yet, and the resemblance still has me feeling really suspicious about her origins/motivations.

Spoiler: Image Comparison

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[Ryushikaze]

I watched the River Song episodes & learned some interesting facts.

The description of what the Pandorica was built to hold is the same thing that the Army fears.

Technically, it's what the Army was told the Doctor wasn't, but yes, there is a similarity there.
Interesting that he's the good wizard and the one dropping from the sky and tearing down worlds.

Also, Amy is the reason that River warns them about the Pandorica.

Well, that and the Pandorica happening, but yes, that one was rather obvious.

Also, I noticed that River seemingly stops using her hallucinagenic lipstick after Season 5, but she is also kissing the Doctor before then, so it might be that she can't risk it, or maybe she still does, and we just don't know, which got me thinking and wondering more about our latest villian.

You mean starts using it in S31/5. Reverse frame of reference and all. Though the idea she starts using it when she can't kiss the Doctor anymore is quite interesting.

What the hell is the connection between River & Kovarian? Because it feels like there's a twist that hasn't been sprung yet, and the resemblance still has me feeling really suspicious about her origins/motivations.

Unless the timeline goes Pondling->Kovarian->River, we're going to need an undelete button for Silence and the Library. Or clones.
Of course, the idea that she was at her own timeline so many times at the same point does amuse me. Moreso if we can somehow cludge nameless Forest Soldier into being another iteration of the Pondling, because, again, she 'fits' being the kid better than River's current actress, and it would just amuse me to no end.

Of course, HERE'S an idea- Kovarian's not River. She's a Riverling.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Unless the timeline goes Pondling->Kovarian->River, we're going to need an undelete button for Silence and the Library. Or clones.
Of course, the idea that she was at her own timeline so many times at the same point does amuse me. Moreso if we can somehow cludge nameless Forest Soldier into being another iteration of the Pondling, because, again, she 'fits' being the kid better than River's current actress, and it would just amuse me to no end.

Of course, HERE'S an idea- Kovarian's not River. She's a Riverling.

The Gamma Forest girl's name was Lorna Bucket, because a bucket brings the river to the pond. (It's an intentional metaphor that Steven Moffat mentioned on Twitter a couple weeks ago)

I was actually thinking about the idea of Melody -> Kovarian -> River.

The idea of clones had crossed my mind, but the idea of a Riverling seems rather creepy for her daughter to be so viciously anti-Doctor. I think that the idea that Melody's DNA would have been used is very probable. I do like the idea of the Doctor having a pseudo-Time Lord nemesis again though.


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[Rumpelstiltskin]

They could always re-do the whole him being cloned/daughter popping out thing.
In all fairness if the machine can create life using a source genetic material then who is to say that his "daughter" doesn't have the same regenerative powers as a proper Timelord?

 

[Mantichorus]

First of all: There's an article about the darker version of The Doctor's Wife, and some stuff about the Silence that's pretty awesome.

But you miss mentioning Matt Smith in a BATMAN costume.

And your ideas sound Moffat-ish. As in, it's a big wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey ball.

And everyone else is probably already aware of this, but... GODDAMNIT STEVE

 

[X-SOLDIER]

But you miss mentioning Matt Smith in a BATMAN costume.

And your ideas sound Moffat-ish. As in, it's a big wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey ball.

And everyone else is probably already aware of this, but... GODDAMNIT STEVE

Why thank you!

And I had not seen that. Can't stop laughing. Oh my god.


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[Ryushikaze]

The Gamma Forest girl's name was Lorna Bucket, because a bucket brings the river to the pond. (It's an intentional metaphor that Steven Moffat mentioned on Twitter a couple weeks ago)

Yeah, I just couldn't remember it earlier today. And given the other wordplay fuckery going on, Mdme Bucket being an interim Pondling would not surprise me.
And yes, that includes her 'death.'
Not the first time such fuckery has been pulled. Not even the first time this season.

I was actually thinking about the idea of Melody -> Kovarian -> River.

Could be. We are dealing with a regeneration capable entity.

The idea of clones had crossed my mind, but the idea of a Riverling seems rather creepy for her daughter to be so viciously anti-Doctor. I think that the idea that Melody's DNA would have been used is very probable. I do like the idea of the Doctor having a pseudo-Time Lord nemesis again though.

What do you mean 'again,' citizen? Are you trying to imply that we've seen the last of the master?
Oh, which reminds me- Kovarian is the Rani. This has been your 'Female Character X is the Rani' crack for the week.

Unless, of course, Kovarian's the Master. You know, like in the Curse of Fatal Death.

They could always re-do the whole him being cloned/daughter popping out thing.
In all fairness if the machine can create life using a source genetic material then who is to say that his "daughter" doesn't have the same regenerative powers as a proper Timelord?

Jenny does. As does the Pondling. And her remix Clone would have the same ability.
Of course, the idea of Kovarian being a stable time loop entity created from the Pondling's genetic material after the Doctor manages to steal the Pondling away is a fascinating idea.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

What do you mean 'again,' citizen? Are you trying to imply that we've seen the last of the master?
Oh, which reminds me- Kovarian is the Rani. This has been your 'Female Character X is the Rani' crack for the week.

Unless, of course, Kovarian's the Master. You know, like in the Curse of Fatal Death.

I'm not implying that it's the last we've seen of the Master for certain, or even that she isn't him. I'm merely saying that there hasn't been any entity like that yet in Moffat's run of Who, and adding a villian like that back into the mix would provide some good tension with someone who's understandably dangerous like The Doctor / The Master and able to change face.

For now, I'm still really enjoying the idea of the fact that he has to escape his infamy, which has essentailly caused him to become his own worst enemy.

Of course, the idea of Kovarian being a stable time loop entity created from the Pondling's genetic material after the Doctor manages to steal the Pondling away is a fascinating idea.

I've been thinking about that, and the fact that if my previous speculation on River's need to call the Doctor places is correct, they'd essentially ensure that she continues to manifest. Because their time streams are travelling in opposite directions and locking between each point that they meet.


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[X-SOLDIER]

I've almost made it all the way through the first Season of the Original series! Really enjoying it, and I think that "The Sensorites" is the first Serial where he feels particularly Doctor-y.

Also, I saw this on Tumblr today, and needed to share it to convince anyone who hasn't yet to go back and watch the River Song episodes properly.

Also, keep an eye out later this month during SDCC: Matt Smith and Karen Gillan will make their first ever Comic-Con appearance this year on July 24th, in Hall H & they're bringing some brand new Doctor Who footage!


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