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[Vivi]

Just watched The Almost People.

Why do you do this, Moffat? ;_;

THIS. I felt like I was sucker punched at the end. I have to say though that if Rory dies (again) in the next episode, I may sob uncontrollably. I've really grown to love both Amy and Rory this season.

 

[Sheva Alomar]

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I just hope that everyone who's seen the end of The Almost People caught that portal-esque device ready to receive Amy's child when she's to give birth. It's definitely Gallifreyan, at the very least.

 

[Alex]

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I just hope that everyone who's seen the end of The Almost People caught that portal-esque device ready to receive Amy's child when she's to give birth. It's definitely Gallifreyan, at the very least.

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Lending support to this theory, Gallifreyan writing on the crib.

 

[Sheva Alomar]

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Lending support to this theory, Gallifreyan writing on the crib.

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Indeed! Also lending support to my previously proposed theory of River Song being Amy and Rory's daughter.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Spoiler: Spoilers, Sweetie

It might not be Gallifreyan tech- it's very likely, but not certain- as there are other races which eventually develop similar technology, especially the Sontarans.

The crib writing's very much a clue that it's built for time lord babies, though.

And River being there when the baby was born doesn't lend weight either for or against her being the Pondling, really.

 

[Sheva Alomar]

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Well, the whole idea of Pondling being a 'weapon' can be loosely linked to the fact that River Song has been such a lethal force in any combat situation to date that we've seen. Again, it's a very loose connection, but seems to fit in with what I've been suspecting for a while now.

 

[Ryushikaze]

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Well, the whole idea of Pondling being a 'weapon' can be loosely linked to the fact that River Song has been such a lethal force in any combat situation to date that we've seen. Again, it's a very loose connection, but seems to fit in with what I've been suspecting for a while now.

Spoiler: No, you can't change anything about history! Not one thing!

Yeah, I'm not saying any of that is impossible, just that River Song's presence doesn't mean much WRT the Pondling.
Who is, quite naturally, the Rani.

 

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Episode 6 Spoilers. Episode 7 guesses.

Lots of TL;DR.

Go read it on my Tumblr, because I cba to reformat it into a post.

http://xsoldier.tumblr.com/post/6042979048/amys-message-from-the-silence


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[Ryushikaze]

Episode 6 Spoilers. Episode 7 guesses.

Lots of TL;DR.

Go read it on my Tumblr, because I cba to reformat it into a post.

http://xsoldier.tumblr.com/post/6042979048/amys-message-from-the-silence


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Spoiler: Did you bring the Nitro 9 like I told you not to?

As always, I'm of the mind that the Pondling being River is TOO easy. Too pat. It's certainly possible, and by no means should it be ruled out, but it has the feeling of a very obvious red herring, either to keep us from guessing a very serious reality about River, or even the Pondling. Or both. On the other hand, it could well be a sort of double bluff. You can't put that past Moffat either.

 

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Spoiler: Did you bring the Nitro 9 like I told you not to?

As always, I'm of the mind that the Pondling being River is TOO easy. Too pat. It's certainly possible, and by no means should it be ruled out, but it has the feeling of a very obvious red herring, either to keep us from guessing a very serious reality about River, or even the Pondling. Or both. On the other hand, it could well be a sort of double bluff. You can't put that past Moffat either.

Here's a quote from Moffat about us discovering River's identity.

"That’s absolutely coming. You’re going to find out very soon, and that means we have to do it next series, really… The critical thing here is I want to explain who she is, not explain away who she is. If you don’t deliver on most people’s expectations, and you just say, ‘Ooh, she’s a specially programmed android who believes she’s the Doctor’s wife,’ people will go, ‘That‘s a cheat.’ You can’t do that… It’s a really good story, and it’s sort of the story of next year."

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I think that River's return for these episodes along with the Pondling absolutely hint at a connection between the two of them, and while I agree it does seem a little obvious, it has felt like a double bluff to me on many occasions. Either way, it seems like there needs to be some type of connection, though I'm not sure if the one I'm speculating at is correct. (I usually manage to be about 10% correct, while the other 90% is Steven Moffat delivering a swift kick to the face, and leaving me to sit and ponder everything I didn't see coming for the next week, or in this case, until September).

One of the big reasons that I'm focusing on River & the Silence being in the same directional Timestream is that the River Song storyline seems to be just as carefully crafted as the Doctor's currently storyline, which is a testament to how well he writes, and if it's reaching a point where the Doctor finally understands more, with all the elements in play at the same time, I can only assume a closer correlation.

Even if you know that River is the Pondling/Time Lord, it explains who she is, but it still leaves miles of mystery as to what's going on with her, and shrouds her past in mystery, as well as her actions, which seems to accomplish what Moffat was referring to in the above quote.

Mostly, I just need to word rant about the connections by brain makes, otherwise I feel like exploding.


I'm still absolutely jittery about this Saturday though.

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Update after talking to a buddy of mine on work who found some excellent things on Reddit.

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We think we figured out when Amy gets taken and replaced with a Ganger.

Amy's been wearing the same shirt in every episode, since she emerged from the body bag when Canton faked her death in "Day of the Moon" but it gets weirder...

This apparently wasn't the shirt she was wearing when she went in to the body bag.

I'm gonna have to go check this out and see, but it's interesting that seems to be mimicing her clothes specifically.

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[Ryushikaze]

I'll definitely check this out when I get home. It's slightly different from when I figured it happened, but not drastically so (I though it had been in the orphanage itself), since it had to have happened before the first time Slideypatch appeared.

Addendum: No, Amy IS wearing the same shirt when she went into the bad as when she came out of it. The swap must have taken place before or after this point. Considering things, I'm assuming well before, since she would have been showing long beforehand.

Also, Amy's shirt is a constant, but nothing else is.

 

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Final Preview for "A Good Man Goes To War"

Spoiler: Spoilers, sweetie.

The Battle of Demons Run.

The Doctor's Darkest Hour.

River can't be with him until the end.






...Who wants to bet we get cliff hung on River's identity at the very end of the episode?

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[Ryushikaze]

Final Preview for "A Good Man Goes To War"

Spoiler: Spoilers, sweetie.

The Battle of Demons Run.

The Doctor's Darkest Hour.

River can't be with him until the end.






...Who wants to bet we get cliff hung on River's identity at the very end of the episode?

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Spoiler: River Song is the anthropomorphized form of Bessie! Of course! It all makes sense!

Oh, River's identity is definitely not getting revealed til after the break. Since 'who she is' is related to the Doctor longer trusting her, there's got to be some sort of betrayal involved, either intentional or as a result of her allegiances. If she is the Pondling, it won't be revealed here, at least not to the Doctor.

 

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Spoiler: River Song is the anthropomorphized form of Bessie! Of course! It all makes sense!

Oh, River's identity is definitely not getting revealed til after the break. Since 'who she is' is related to the Doctor longer trusting her, there's got to be some sort of betrayal involved, either intentional or as a result of her allegiances. If she is the Pondling, it won't be revealed here, at least not to the Doctor.

Spoiler: I hardly think that she's Anthro-Bessie. Anthro-Quetzalcoatl on the other hand...

Well, I'm not sure that that he no longer trusts her afterwards. We know that he eventually trusts her completely at some point after all this, because that's something that's come up even this season, in The Impossible Astronaut" when he doesn't trust her yet, but he trusts Amy, and she's visibly still annoyed by it.

She Also said at the end of "Big Bang 2" that when he finds out, "...That's when everything changes." but I'm not totally sure of what that means for their relationship. At this point, (because of their last parting at the end of "Day of the Moon"), we know that when they leave here, they're both aware that they're romantically involved, because she thought that it was normal to kiss him when leaving before. I think that soley by the merit of how their last encounter took place, because of how it falls chronologically for River, that they should likely still be on good, just very different terms with each other.

Then again, there's always that suspicion that because, "...he rises higher than ever before, and falls so much further." with River being there at the end doesn't bode well for her & the Doctor's interaction.

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[Alex]

Spoiler: Big Spoiler, it has to do with a potential connection between the Pondling and River Song

Multiple sources are now stating that the name of Amy's baby is Melody.
Draw your own conclusions from this. I personally think the wordplay with the names is a bluff.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Spoiler: I hardly think that she's Anthro-Bessie. Anthro-Quetzalcoatl on the other hand...

Well, I'm not sure that that he no longer trusts her afterwards. We know that he eventually trusts her completely at some point after all this, because that's something that's come up even this season, in The Impossible Astronaut" when he doesn't trust her yet, but he trusts Amy, and she's visibly still annoyed by it.

Spoiler: No, that's just silly. She's actually a gender flipped Jamie McCrimmon!

Yes, but she mentioned in the Angel 2 parter that he wouldn't be helping her out if he knew who she really was, which is why I'm thinking that from her perspective, there's a point before which he doesn't trust her for awhile, and she's figured out as of then when it is.

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She Also said at the end of "Big Bang 2" that when he finds out, "...That's when everything changes." but I'm not totally sure of what that means for their relationship. At this point, (because of their last parting at the end of "Day of the Moon"), we know that when they leave here, they're both aware that they're romantically involved, because she thought that it was normal to kiss him when leaving before. I think that soley by the merit of how their last encounter took place, because of how it falls chronologically for River, that they should likely still be on good, just very different terms with each other.

Then again, there's always that suspicion that because, "...he rises higher than ever before, and falls so much further." with River being there at the end doesn't bode well for her & the Doctor's interaction.

Whatever it is, for a time, it will throw a wrench into the works until the doctor gets over it.

Spoiler: Big Spoiler, it has to do with a potential connection between the Pondling and River Song

Multiple sources are now stating that the name of Amy's baby is Melody.
Draw your own conclusions from this. I personally think the wordplay with the names is a bluff.

Spoiler: Autobots!

Melody?
It Could have been worse... It could have been Melanie.
Multiple sources mean nothing, really. And yeah, if it IS Melody, that's extreme red herring territory

 

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Spoiler: No, that's just silly. She's actually a gender flipped Jamie McCrimmon!

Yes, but she mentioned in the Angel 2 parter that he wouldn't be helping her out if he knew who she really was, which is why I'm thinking that from her perspective, there's a point before which he doesn't trust her for awhile, and she's figured out as of then when it is.

Spoiler: That's a possibility...

Aaaahhh.... Right. Totally forgot about that bit. HRRRRMMMMMM.....

Speaking of which, apparently the military folks in the trailer might be the same as the Clerics from before. Also, I'm wondering when we'll get to the point that River's no longer in jail....

Spoiler: Autobots!

Melody?
It Could have been worse... It could have been Melanie.
Multiple sources mean nothing, really. And yeah, if it IS Melody, that's extreme red herring territory

Spoiler: Decepticons!

I re-tagged your "spoiler=" as "Autotune", because I didn't want the "Melody" spoiling anything accidentally. Hope there's no harm in me quick editing that, but just wanted to let you know I'd done it.

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[Ryushikaze]

Spoiler: That's a possibility...

Aaaahhh.... Right. Totally forgot about that bit. HRRRRMMMMMM.....

Speaking of which, apparently the military folks in the trailer might be the same as the Clerics from before. Also, I'm wondering when we'll get to the point that River's no longer in jail....

Spoiler: They are both quite handy in a fight. Does River call her gun Claymore?

Actually, I'm considering that this might be when it happens, that the River we see in the prologue is from 'after,' explaining why she can't come and help, because she already remembers what she did that first time

Spoiler: Decepticons!

I re-tagged your "spoiler=" as "Autotune", because I didn't want the "Melody" spoiling anything accidentally. Hope there's no harm in me quick editing that, but just wanted to let you know I'd done it.

Spoiler: Me Grimlock comprehend advanced astrophysics!

Yeah, I figured. But leaving it as a musical reference seemed off.

 

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Spoiler: They are both quite handy in a fight. Does River call her gun Claymore?

Actually, I'm considering that this might be when it happens, that the River we see in the prologue is from 'after,' explaining why she can't come and help, because she already remembers what she did that first time

Spoiler: I figure she'd have called it Schadenfreude.

Hrmmm... That's a good point. It looks like Rory actually went to Stormcage to attempt to recruit her, because she's behind bars. Interesting seeing River in her natural habitat now that I think about it.

For the River that Rory's talking to, it's obviously the River who just went through that a little while ago. If that's the case, it's a good possibility that she's just going to be there, rather than coming to meet him.

There's also the matter that the 200 year older Doctor was running faster than he'd ever run in his whole life, and we don't yet know what scared him away so badly. It's still one of those things that I'm wondering if their first meeting with River will come as a surprise or not. It's tough to tell how far in their relationship is...

My biggest issue with him distrusting River comes down to it has to be who she is, not what she's done. If it's something that she's done, then he should've distrusted her in the past, but the next time they meet, she'll be a person who hasn't yet done that thing, so he can't judge her for it. If it's who she is, I don't know how he'll get past it, and cultivate a romantic relationship with her.

Spoiler: Me Grimlock comprehend advanced astrophysics!

Yeah, I figured. But leaving it as a musical reference seemed off.

Spoiler: Starscream wins the silver medal again!

Yeah, it was just the first thing that came to mind, but the permutation's rather brilliant.

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[Ryushikaze]

Spoiler: I figure she'd have called it Schadenfreude.

Hrmmm... That's a good point. It looks like Rory actually went to Stormcage to attempt to recruit her, because she's behind bars. Interesting seeing River in her natural habitat now that I think about it.

For the River that Rory's talking to, it's obviously the River who just went through that a little while ago. If that's the case, it's a good possibility that she's just going to be there, rather than coming to meet him.

There's also the matter that the 200 year older Doctor was running faster than he'd ever run in his whole life, and we don't yet know what scared him away so badly. It's still one of those things that I'm wondering if their first meeting with River will come as a surprise or not. It's tough to tell how far in their relationship is...

My biggest issue with him distrusting River comes down to it has to be who she is, not what she's done. If it's something that she's done, then he should've distrusted her in the past, but the next time they meet, she'll be a person who hasn't yet done that thing, so he can't judge her for it. If it's who she is, I don't know how he'll get past it, and cultivate a romantic relationship with her.

Spoiler: Or maybe the Light of Judgement and Reason

Hence why I think it might be that she has gotten involved with people or belongs to a race of people- possibly time lords, possibly not- that the Doctor has an emotional hangup about. Mistrust by association rather than mistrust by deed.

Spoiler: Starscream wins the silver medal again!

Yeah, it was just the first thing that came to mind, but the permutation's rather brilliant.

Spoiler: Pantimus Prime is the best of all primes!

And she and the Erotibots will defeat Megastocking and the Gothicons for sure! Yeah, nothing else to say on this, but I do love this meme and I do love that episode

 

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Final Preview clip of "A Good Man Goes To War"

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We now know that the blue man is named Dorium, and I doubt this is the last we'll be seeing of him. He's too well informed not to return again at some point.

Does anyone recognize the name "Madam Cavarin" for the eyepatch lady, or "Col. Manton" for her military escort? I can only assume that they're new, but figured I'd check.

The fact that she's panicing because nothing's happened for a month, means big, bad things for them. I can only imagine what he's cooked up.

I also loved the quote about their asteroid's name Demons Run, being from the oldest saying (likely from these events and the Doctor sending them back in time), "Demons run, when a good man goes to war."


Also - the Headless Monks being involved (likely the folks with the swords and cloaks) is a big deal. Some of you may remember the museum that the Doctor visits where he finds the Byzantium's Home Box in "Flesh & Stone" called the Delerium Archive. That museum was on an asteroid that was the final resting place of the Headless Monks, and a place that the Doctor uses to keep score. River left it there for him, because she knew he'd come by there eventually.

Shit's gonna get CRAZY this episode.

Also this:

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[Alex]

Final Preview clip of "A Good Man Goes To War"

Spoiler

Does anyone recognize the name "Madam Cavarin" for the eyepatch lady, or "Col. Manton" for her military escort? I can only assume that they're new, but figured I'd check.

Spoiler

The cast list from a few weeks back indicate that her name isn't Madam Cavarin, but Madame Kovarian. It probably won't amount to much, but I don't know, like you said it is probably well worth looking into.

Especially anagram-wise, since we know new Doctor Who is pretty keen on those after Mister Saxon = Master No Six.

 

[Alex]

Also!

Spoiler: Let's Kill Hitler

Is reportedly to be the name of the second part of the two parter

I'm not sure if this has been posted or not yet. I don't check this thread as regularly as I should.

 

[Ryushikaze]

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The cast list from a few weeks back indicate that her name isn't Madam Cavarin, but Madame Kovarian. It probably won't amount to much, but I don't know, like you said it is probably well worth looking into.

Especially anagram-wise, since we know new Doctor Who is pretty keen on those after Mister Saxon = Master No Six.

That's more of the history of anagrams being associated with the return of the Master.
Tremas, and Neil Toynay, and all.

It's part of why I suspected The Waters of Mars might involve him. Wars of the Master, natch.
Addendum: Or War of the Masters, which would have been equally interesting.