Graymouse
Pro Adventurer
A few more to get you going this morning! Have a wonderful Cloud X Tif day!
While I primarily like hanging out in this club to celebrate Cloti, I also enjoy interesting discussion that pertains to the couple, which sometimes strays into LTD territory. I try to keep all my discussion posts Cloti-centric, but I also understand that sometimes people want a safe space to discuss the merits of a pairing without being exposed to the LTD thread, which can get really intense sometimes.
I agree with Ite that we should avoid talking about the fandom or the fans here, but I don't think if the discussion occasionally drifts into LTD territory that it's a bad thing, as long as it's primarily Cloti-focused and doesn't get heated. But that's just me.
A few more to get you going this morning! Have a wonderful Cloud X Tif day!
I disagree here, I heard this a couple of times already but c'mon that scene is delicious drama. It's a text book case. The last couple of chapters Cloud was occupied to save Aerith from physical harm, that's her stick, she is a total free spirit but she literally needs someone who will protect her since she is your "mage" character. So when all three of them fall down that wagon the first thing Cloud does is to make sure she is alright, like always, that's his job, he is her bodyguard after all she isn't like Tifa who does crazy stunts 24/7. Almost every action scene in chapter 10 leads to this concept being reinforced, Tifa can handle herself but Aerith needs someone who looks out for her. Just for him to realize that not Aerith was injured by that fall, but precious Tifa.I am fairly certain that in the train graveyard when Cloud asks first if they’re ok, he is at least asking the two girls, maybe focusing more on Tifa who hurt herself. In this infamous shot where Tifa passes between them, just like @odekopeko I was sure she sounded pissed. Relistening made me realise she wasn’t, she was stifling down that pain (ankle maybe). I also realised as some of you may know that this is when Aerith realised she internalises her pain and won’t show it - hence why she is worried for her in the Drums because of the plate fall, not knowing that Cloud already lifted Tifa’s pain and how she feels much better (also why Tifa is confused by the ask and doesn’t know what to answer because uh, everything is good?).
Cloud realises during that first moment in the train graveyard that he has failed to save Tifa and she’s hurt, which is why he really makes sure after this that she won’t get hurt again. Hence the emphasis on the second scene.
Just like you did I looked a lot at those few chapters and came to realise that Cloud painfully doesn’t treat the two girls the same way. It is very obvious from the way he reacts to the way he acts. He will save and help both, yes, but he does pay an enormous attention to Tifa’s emotional well-being as well (this is remarkable during the plate fall), which he does not for Aerith. Again, thank you for your well-put post @insanehobbit!
I guess we have to agree to disagree at this point lolHey, Tifa also got in trouble in ch10, it was Aerith who saved her, and Cloud got in trouble because he straight jumped where she was to save her but ok, only Aerith is in need of help? I think ch10 does tell you that the three of them work perfectly well as a team, that all three of them can get into trouble and the other two will help. Cloud and Tifa are really set up as Aerith's bodyguard, but that's also neglecting the fact that Aerith saves both of them because she is not so much a damsel in distress rather than a light ditzy character.
Plus as we can see, Tifa is still down when Aerith is up, yet he somehow would only ask Aerith? I think that'd be very OOC for Cloud. He asks both, but gets distracted by Aerith's bubbly answer - which does absolutely relieve him BTW.
I tend to think that we should not necessarily trust our first impression, especially when we watch something with a bias, because we will interpret a scene differently according to our bias. Which is why stepping out, taking it slowly to try to catch the devs' intent is more fun to me. Especially since the devs have said again and again that they do not think about the characters' relationships BUT about the characters themselves and how to work on them. Rereading a bunch of interviews and rewatching some Remake scenes is really, really interesting.
I also think that the devs knew perfectly that people were going to watch scecnes in slo-mo, there are a LOT of details you don't necessarily catch at full speed, like Cloud jumping exactly where Tifa stood to save her in ch10.