FF7 Headcanons and Discussion

[Ryushikaze]

It's called head-canon, Ryu. It's in YOUR head. It has notta to do with the actual narrative aside from expounding upon it to make sense of things left out or not explored thoroughly. It is fanon--only logically so. unless you know of some other definition for head-canon that I am not aware of or not come across in the past 12 years I've worked in the literary field. Feel free to enlighten me. Head-canon is about as valid as fanfiction in terms of the source material. I am not, in any way, trying to assert that all head-canon has equal merit in terms of being logical or fitting the story/character. However, there is no more 'right' head-canon than there is a right opinion. It's not up for debate. It's completely individual.

And the word fanon still covers all of that.

Yeah, kinda my point...

Yes. Again, yes. Is there a reason you're repeating what I said?

Leading to a conclusion.

So do I. Doesn't mean I can take that thought in HER head-canon and remove it. It's how SHE sees the character. Also doesn't make it any less valid than my opinion.

See, I would disagree with this. Because neither is an opinion. Both are claims. And claims can be evaluated where actual opinions 'I hate X' cannot. 'X is' or X does' is not opinion.

As you are hers.

From the start, I said it seemed unlikely given the established facts. Not that it was impossible. Zee OTOH quite literally asked 'In what world does a beautiful hormonal teenage girl not have sex at least once?' and has treated the idea of a virgin Tifa as entirely absurd.

So, no.

 

[Splintered]

Of course all the good headcanons get messed up in this LTD-ish crap.

JUST SAYIN.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

Of course all the good headcanons get messed up in this LTD-ish crap.

JUST SAYIN.

Maybe I missed the 3rd party, but the current debate is on a single character....

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Offtopic: I think that Headcanon is a subcategory of fanon.

Fanon is (summary from Tets' post) content that's not officially considered canon but widely accepted by the fandom to be so. Sometimes it's also things that are incorrect but so widespread that people think they're true (i.e. First Tsurugi being the name of Cloud's sword).


Head-canon is something that isn't ever explicitly stated or explained in the story that you personally adopt as "real" whilst playing the game based on how your mind connects the dots, or assumptions that you make that are never properly refuted. It's essentially a personal interpritation/extrapolation of events/characters that isn't altered by any information provided in the game. (Thus my posts about how monsters 'actually' interact with the FFVII-verse, and 'what happened' between Jenova & the Cetra).



On Topic: Can we get please back to posting about what our individual headcanons are rather than debating sematics about what headcanon is, or who's is what for what reason?


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[Alessa Gillespie]

i think that her being shy with her feelings regarding cloud=/=her being shy with her feelings regarding everything else.

i mean come on, she called barret a retard because he was complaining about the stairs. she is very openly in kismesis with shinra as a company. my opinion is that hating shinra did not completely kill her sex drive regarding anyone but cloud, and it's possible that she had sex at least once to help her feel like she was normal, because i feel like tifa feels uncomfortable when things don't feel normal. on the other hand, i felt like she would have had sincere commitment issues when it came to people who weren't cloud because she believed he was her one true knight in shining armor and no one could stand up to that. that's why she got so attached to him when he came back, even if he was saying things that weren't really correct: he was there for her, so what if some of the junk he's saying is wrong?

 

[Zee]

quoting flippant comment tiem

no obv i don't think every girl in the universe just has sex cus they're hot, but tifa has never been painted as someone who was prudish about sex or her sexuality

and despite being emotionally screwed up she's not closed off or stunted in the way cloud so

i don't really see why her having casual sex would be a big deal

edit: oh whoa late

 

[Tetsujin]

I think you got your interpretation of fanon wrong. =P

As far I'm aware it's stuff that's not officially considered canon but widely accepted by the fandom to be so or at least considered to make sense if it were canon.
Sometimes it's also things that are incorrect but so widespread that people think they're true (i.e. First Tsurugi being the name of Cloud's sword)

The keyword here being that it's a belief widely held by the fandom whereas head canon is an individual's belief.

 

[Dana Scully]

I could see Tifa's virginity going either way. She was probably in a really dark place after the Nibelheim incident so I could tots see her engaging in some 'unsafe behaviour' as an out. At the same time I can also see her so focused on revenge her sex drive is ruthlessly squashed along with any other distractions.

anyways

The point of head canon, I believe, is that it's fanon that's 'canon-compliant', or in other words fanon that doesn't directly contradict canon. Tifa's virginity or lack-there-of does not contradict canon either way, so I'm not really sure why it's being debated.


like srsly it's kinda fucking retarded

edit: woah poasts

also WHAT DO YOU MEAN FIRST TSURUGI ISN'T REALLY THE NAME OF CLOUD'S SWORD

MIND = BLOWN

 

[X-SOLDIER]

@Tets: I suppose you're right there. I'll edit my post to properly reflect that, but only if we get back to posting awesome headcanons rather than debating about who did/didn't sextimes up who in whoever's head.


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[Ryushikaze]

i think that her being shy with her feelings regarding cloud=/=her being shy with her feelings regarding everything else.

i mean come on, she called barret a retard because he was complaining about the stairs. she is very openly in kismesis with hated shinra as a company. my opinion is that hating shinra did not completely kill her sex drive regarding anyone but cloud, and it's possible that she had sex at least once to help her feel like she was normal, because i feel like tifa feels uncomfortable when things don't feel normal. on the other hand, i felt like she would have had sincere commitment issues when it came to people who weren't cloud because she believed he was her one true knight in shining armor and no one could stand up to that. that's why she got so attached to him when he came back, even if he was saying things that weren't really correct: he was there for her, so what if some of the junk he's saying is wrong?

The point here where I disagree is that Tifa would have sex to reassure herself that she/things were normal. That's the part that comes out of left field. Especially doing it without a commitment there, since she's always described in ways like 'family oriented.'

Tifa and 'just a fling' do not logically mesh in my mind, and I don't see her wanting to get tied down while focused on revenge with ShinRa.

To get back onto the general topics- the Girlfriend offers-
"I still think Vincent is Sephies dad. And that Tifa WAS a virgin"

 

[Fairheartstrife]

And the word fanon still covers all of that.

Yep, sure does. I can't believe I'm having to do this...

Head-canon: Your personal fanon. What makes sense to YOU, how YOU view things, how YOU interpret things. YOUR opinions and conclusions.

Fanon: ANY body of work not part of the source material like a fic on FF.Net or fanart depicting a pairing that never happens. It's 3rd party contribution.

How's that?

So, yes, Head-canon falls under the fanon banner, but not the other way around. Zee's fanon (her head-canon) is not mine. But it is STILL head-canon.

See, I would disagree with this. Because neither is an opinion. Both are claims. And claims can be evaluated where actual opinions 'I hate X' cannot. 'X is' or X does' is not opinion.

I hate onions. <--opinion

Onions are disgusting. <--claim? or still opinion...? Because I can tell you, no matter what recipe you share with me, no matter how many chefs you line up, my 'claim' regarding the onion will remain unchanged, and can be evaluated, but against what? Someone else's tastebuds?

From the start, I said it seemed unlikely given the established facts. Not that it was impossible. Zee OTOH quite literally asked 'In what world does a beautiful hormonal teenage girl not have sex at least once?' and has treated the idea of a virgin Tifa as entirely absurd.

So, no.

The reply could have easily been in a FANTASY world and end of discussion... just sayin'.



EDIT Head Canon: Tifa's NOT a virgin. Zack took her into an abandoned barn and showed her his 'sword'.

**happy little shipper head-canon**

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

i think there's no way vincent is sephy's dad unless some artificial insemination went down because there is something wrong with sleeping in a coffin for 30 years to punish yourself for a girl you had sex with 'dying'

like im talking edward cullen wrong

The point here where I disagree is that Tifa would have sex to reassure herself that she/things were normal. That's the part that comes out of left field. Especially doing it without a commitment there, since she's always described in ways like 'family oriented.'

okay, but she went to midgar sometime after nibelheim burned down, right? and the slums aren't exactly a nice and wonderful and happy place. between training and trying to start up a terrorist organization, you start to feel like quite a weird kid. what do kids tend to do around that age? they have boyfriends/sex/whatever. so i would bet that would be something she might have tried but basically got so tired of him basically not being cloud that she dumped him.

 

[Ryushikaze]

quoting flippant comment tiem

Quoting your only offered reasoning time.

no obv i don't think every girl in the universe just has sex cus they're hot, but tifa has never been painted as someone who was prudish about sex or her sexuality

One can be open about sex and proud of their sexuality without being sexually active.

and despite being emotionally screwed up she's not closed off or stunted in the way cloud so

i don't really see why her having casual sex would be a big deal

edit: oh whoa late

It's not that it's a 'big deal' but it seems unlikely. Which was what I was saying before this exploded into parties getting offended at things.
That it seems unlikely.

 

[Zee]

It's not that it's a 'big deal' but it seems unlikely. Which was what I was saying before this exploded into parties getting offended at things.

the only one who was john madden was u brah

headcanon: biggs/tifa is canon

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yep, sure does. I can't believe I'm having to do this...

Head-canon: Your personal fanon. What makes sense to YOU, how YOU view things, how YOU interpret things. YOUR opinions and conclusions.

Fanon: ANY body of work not part of the source material like a fic on FF.Net or fanart depicting a pairing that never happens. It's 3rd party contribution.

How's that?

So, yes, Head-canon falls under the fanon banner, but not the other way around. Zee's fanon (her head-canon) is not mine. But it is STILL head-canon.

So, why not call it 'personal fanon?' This is basically my point.

I hate onions. <--opinion

Onions are disgusting. <--claim? or still opinion...? Because I can tell you, no matter what recipe you share with me, no matter how many chefs you line up, my 'claim' regarding the onion will remain unchanged, and can be evaluated, but against what? Someone else's tastebuds?

It's an opinion, because it's still entirely subjective.
Onions are evil. Definitively a claim.
My sentence example was a guideline rather than a strict rule.
But X did Y is never an opinion.
Character X is Y sort of person is also not an opinion, but a claim on that characters personality.

The reply could have easily been in a FANTASY world and end of discussion... just sayin'.

And it would have still been ill worded.

 

[Ryushikaze]

the only one who was john madden was u brah

Zee, your first response was to massively strawman my position. Your accusations are one thing, but your lies are another.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Holy Moses, you guys. It's headcanon, personal fanon, whatever. Can we just drop it, please?


So... I'm pretty sure that Johnny hooked up with some of the Bees at the Honeybee in, as well as other chicks at his Costa Del Sol pad, and paid them to pretend to be Tifa.



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[Tifabelle]

Can I input future head canon? I like to believe that Lucrecia will be freed from her crystal stasis. Perhaps because Genesis needs her or her genetics for something. I have other "future thoughts" but I find the idea of Lucrecia coming out of crystal stasis to be intriguing.

Re: the events at the Nibelheim reactor. Tifa did briefly wake up, see Cloud, mention the promise or other such nonsense, pass out before Cloud could respond, Sephiroth enters, Cloud/Sephiroth battle ensue, Tifa remembers this as merely a dream or hallucination until the Lifestream sequence where she says "you WERE there" or w/e she says.

The bar was closed when Tifa & Barret left Marlene in charge.

Aerith was not afraid of the sky.

Marlene's ribbon was Aerith's. Tifa picked it up after Aerith died and gave it to her.

I also have a head canon for the events of the Gold Saucer date, but since that's way in left field and I'd probably be stoned for it, I'm keeping it to myself

 

[Zee]

Zee, your first response was to massively strawman my position. Your accusations are one thing, but your lies are another.

sooooooooooooooosh pap

 

[Ryushikaze]

I also have a head canon for the events of the Gold Saucer date, but since that's way in left field and I'd probably be stoned for it, I'm keeping it to myself

DO EET!

Mine- All four dates happened. In rapid fire succession. Barret was the one who was with Cloud when he saw Cait hand off the stone.

 

[X-SOLDIER]

Mine- All four dates happened. In rapid fire succession.

This made me burst out laughing. It's such an amazing visual of Cloud attempting to keep each other party member in the dark about the previous date.


OT: Mog House wasn't just a videogame. It actually happened.


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[Makoeyes987]

I firmly believe, Reeve Tuesti is a fucking furry.

Also, the broken door in the Mideel Item Shop is the the door to the Heart of FFVII's world, and thankfully, no one unlocked it.

 

[Alessa Gillespie]

mog house is actually a moogle breeding program that is loosely connected to the ff9 world

which is why there seem to be way more moogles there than there are in ff7. clearly, someone is not playing the ff7 connected mog house in ff9verse

 

[Ryushikaze]

sooooooooooooooosh pap

Y'know what I'm getting from this response? That you can't actually make an argument, and are resorting to being deliberately obfuscatory. Again. It's childish, Zee. Grow up.

 

[Tetsujin]

I firmly believe, Reeve Tuesti is a fucking furry.

Also, the broken door in the Mideel Item Shop is the the door to the Heart of FFVII's world, and thankfully, no one unlocked it.

Pray Sora never gets fucking near it.