FF7 Relationships

Alessa Gillespie

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Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum
Just seems that game makers think its too boring to just have parents who are normal, they have to kill them off or turn them into 'bad' guys etc. There always has to be 'issues'. Don't they ever read TV Tropes? :lol:
oh agreed, most of my games could easily be retitled You Play An Orphan: Enjoy Not Having Parents.
 

Marle

Pro Adventurer
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Ava, Spike Spiegel, Stella Nox Fleuret, Altair Ibn-La'Ahad, Princess Zelda, Alice, Raven Roth, Faye Valentine, Tifa Lockhart, Khal Drogo
I kinda wish they told us more about Cloud's parents, too. Like, showcase something with his dad. We kinda got nothing about him at all. How did he die, what does Cloud remember of him? All these things would be cool things to explore for character development of Cloud.

I also wish his mommy got more screen time, too. It seemed she played quite a pivotal role in his life growing up but Square doesn't go into that, either. Oh, the possibilities. But at the same time, knowing SE, they might only ruin what they already had and that might suck.

:T

On another note; I've always wanted to talk about the KH universe and Dissidia. Seeing as how they count for shit in the FF7 LTD (since the games aren't directly linked to the FF7 world), I think we can safely discuss them in this thread. :D

In KH, I think the roles are slightly reversed between Tifa and Aerith. That Tifa is Cloud's guiding light and it's possible she'd guide him to Aerith and the others because that is where his happiness lies. Like Aerith, in this case, is in Tifa's role as the person attaching Cloud to the land of the living. The only reason I really see it this way is because if Tifa is light, then she isn't human and therefore, Cloud can't 'be with' her. Honestly, though. I have no freaking clue and I wanna see everyone else's idea on this so I can probably get a better perspective.

As for Dissidia, stfu. Cloti all the freakin' way come at me bro.
 

Octo

KULT OF KERMITU
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Octo, Octorawk, Clarky Cat, Kissmammal2000
oOH OH I just thought. Clouds dad is either dead, or he was just passing through. All the other Dads in Nibelheim drink together after a hard day doing...uh...whatever it is they do there. Felling trees, yeah thats is. Nibelheim is a big lumberjack town :monster:

Anyway, cos all those dads are matey with each other, their kids hang out together too, y'know at barbeques n'stuff. This is why Cloud is left out of the Nibelheim Posse :lol:
 

minimosey

Pro Adventurer
Re: Kingdom Hearts It seems like a role swap to me too. I'm sure future games could prove that wrong!!! Because long live the KH mindscrew. Also, Cloud is freaked out for Tifa's safety when she fights against Sephiroth, so she must still be something that can be hurt and...maybe human, despite also being Cloud's light? Or maybe Cloud's panicking because she was hurt before and that's why she's his light now (like how Aerith died in FF and like how KH Sephiroth seems to have been more human at some point).

Cloud's mother:
I think she got missed out on as part of Sephiroth/Jenova's mindscrew; Cloud having a mother goes against him being created post-Nibelheim. If he'd been able to remember a clear past with her, it would have made him more confident in himself. Cloud kept a few memories because he did care about her, but his recollection of his mother is much more fuzzy than he's comfortable with. He has probably at some point asked Tifa what she remembers of his mother.

Cloud on Tifa/Aerith: I think in the first disc Cloud had not exactly "love" (in the romantic sense) but caring and a sense of intrigue about both Tifa and Aerith. The interest obviously got backburnered by hunting for Sephiroth, but had Aerith survived to the post-Reunion it could have become something, especially since she was more forward about her interest. As it is, Cloud doesn't think much about whether he liked her that way or not because he's happy to be with Tifa and he's idealized Aerith post-death so that she is in part "untouchable".

Tifa and Aerith: instant-bffs. While Cloud presented Aerith with both a mystery and a challenge (I am convinced half the reason she ninja'd him is because she was that annoyed about him treating her like a "helpless girl"), Tifa is the one who presents the "heart", the reasons Aerith starts getting really attached to the others, imo. Aerith takes off without Cloud into sector 6 because she's worried about a girl going in there, and the way they talk when they first meet, I always think Aerith is really liking this woman who is ballsy enough to let herself get taken to the perv in power so she can get answers out of him, and interested that she gets Mr. Cool Mercenary so worried he'd tart himself up at the suggestion. And then, of course, Tifa's initiative is why they find out about sector 7 and go to save it.

Aerith on Cloud: Though Aerith comes to see Cloud as having a "weak heart", I think this is part of why she loves him and actually makes her admire him. It's admittedly kind of headcanon-y on my part, but Aerith starts compilation as a girl who is pretty scared of some things and a bit meek. She's bold in the original game, but you do see her genuinely panic and get scared at times, and it gives me the impression that while it's not an "act", she did have to force herself to grow as a person to get away from that fear. Then you have Cloud who is emotionally screwed up, and Aerith knows it, but he's still going past everything--and I think by that point of the game, between how Hojo talked to Cloud and other things, Aerith was starting to get a sense of just how deep "everything" went. She knows he's hiding from something scary and that's why she's not really shaken when things start going south with him. But he still surprises her by coming for her when she told him it was okay to rest. I think this is part of why he becomes not just the "beloved" but the symbol of what she wants to protect, this person who is so fragile but will squeeze out every bit of strength he has and gives her a reason to keep doing the same. I like that for how independent she is and despite her wanting to keep Cloud out of things with Geostigma, toward the end of AC she tells him "Let's go, Cloud." She's acting with him.

Barret and Cloud: they are the coolest bros. And by coolest I mean that they have a great understanding but they still like to press each other's buttons and God give Tifa patience if both guys were in a bad mood when Barret dropped by.

...Actually, no. God save the men from Tifa, because as soon as they did anything close to fighting she'd own them both. And Marlene would hammer it in by being a six-year-old more mature than them.

Marlene and Elmyra: I like the idea of them keeping in touch through Cloud, sending each other things like small gifts, drawings and letters.
 

Fangu

Great Old One
Out of all the relationships in FF7, I though CidxShera (oh dear lord how I loved this), TsengxElena (or shall we say lack thereof), VincentxLucretia and the relationship between Marlene and Barret was the most interesting. The LTD was more high school compared to these. And Rude being soft for both Elena and Tifa was also adorable.

Of the characters, the one who grew most on me were Tifa, after her capture scene, and slap off with Scarlet (which was just hilarious!) At first I thought Tifa was annoying and misplaced, but I learned to like her.

Out of FF7, ZackzAerith - KAWAII! They made me giggle so much. Did anyone say 'in love'?
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
I just want to say, I know I'm not suppose to reference debate stuff but

I hate how Barret has been hijacked by LTD shippers on both sides, they either try to shove him down people's throats or hide him in a closet somewhere. But I honestly think he is an important part of the "family" even if he's not part of that unit anymore. He already got shafted by making him leave Marlene despite the Barret/Marlene sequence one of the sweeter things in the game and gave him great contrast to his normal rough attitude.

So fuck it, I like that they gave Barret a "wolf ring" whatever it may mean, shows that they didn't ignore him in the dynamic. I think Barret-Tifa relationship is wonderful, she's the only one that can tell him what to do and tell him to stop acting like a retard. And Barret seems protective of her.

Also, I think after Tifa, Barret is Cloud's closest friend that isn't KIA. I mean, Zack will always be important, but Zack was also his idol. Barret is his equal. They seem like the friends that call each other names and shit on each other, and then get completely wasted together and be all like "YUR THE GREATEST T__T<3" That's my headcanon anyway.
 

Ryushikaze

Deus Admiral Parsimonious, PHD, DDS, MD, JD, OBE
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Tim, Ryu
Speaking as a mother myself, I'd love to see a mother as one of the main party members in an RPG, either fighting alongside her kid (as we do so often in real life), or for him/her. Hope's mom in FFXIII was quite satisfying, but she died much too quickly, and for exactly the reasons Octo said.

Rosa Farrel.
1. Joins the military to basically do like her mom did and fight alongside her lover.
2. Fights alongside her son and against her mind controlled husband to bring peace to the Blue Planet. Rosa's a kickass mom, and IIRC, the only playable mom in the series, since Lulu wasn't a mom when she was playable.
Well, unless Tina's orphanage counts.

oOH OH I just thought. Clouds dad is either dead, or he was just passing through. All the other Dads in Nibelheim drink together after a hard day doing...uh...whatever it is they do there. Felling trees, yeah thats is. Nibelheim is a big lumberjack town :monster:

Cloud's dad is Warrior of Light. He fell out of time. Kain Highwind is Cid's father, natch, just like Kain's dad is from FF2's world.

Also, FF has a decent number of proper non negligent fathers in its ranks.
Sure, it has a few flaming asshats, but on the whole, good father outnumber Hojos by a wide margin.


I just want to say, I know I'm not suppose to reference debate stuff but

I hate how Barret has been hijacked by LTD shippers on both sides, they either try to shove him down people's throats or hide him in a closet somewhere. But I honestly think he is an important part of the "family" even if he's not part of that unit anymore. He already got shafted by making him leave Marlene despite the Barret/Marlene sequence one of the sweeter things in the game and gave him great contrast to his normal rough attitude.

So fuck it, I like that they gave Barret a "wolf ring" whatever it may mean, shows that they didn't ignore him in the dynamic. I think Barret-Tifa relationship is wonderful, she's the only one that can tell him what to do and tell him to stop acting like a retard. And Barret seems protective of her.

Also, I think after Tifa, Barret is Cloud's closest friend that isn't KIA. I mean, Zack will always be important, but Zack was also his idol. Barret is his equal. They seem like the friends that call each other names and shit on each other, and then get completely wasted together and be all like "YUR THE GREATEST T__T<3" That's my headcanon anyway.

I personally think Barret thinks of Tifa like his daughter or maybe little sister, and she and Cloud are some of the only people who he can relate to, given all they've gone through, both apart and together, though he sees them as having coped with it far better than he did.
But yeah, Barret's not irrelevant to Cloud et. all, he's just not present as part of the family. He's their beloved uncle/ friend/ brother and in one case, father.
 

Strangelove

AI Researcher
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hitoshura
The kid was a punk to me. I was going to send him to bed without dinner >:[
ikr. Don't tell me you're too tired to go play basketball with me or do your homework, then tell me you're not tired when I say it's time for you to go to bed, you little bitch.

Heavy Rain has so far just convinced me not to have kids.
 

Celes Chere

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Noctis
So this is on a very random note, but speaking of Kratos, does anyone get annoyed by parents that don't look like parents? I know this happens in Animu a lot, but games too. Like, the parents end up looking the same age as their teenage kids, just taller. GIVE THEM MORE ADULT FEATURES. YOU CAN BE PRETTY WITHOUT LOOKING THE SAME AGE AS YOUR KID.
 

Tifabelle

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My favorite FFVII relationships:

Cloud & Tifa - obv reasons.

Tifa & Aerith - I love how they were like instant best friends, and I love the idea of them chatting together whenever the group splits up. And despite any "complicated" blah blah, they really love each other.

Zack & Aerith - everything about this is beautiful and adorable.

Barret & Marlene - Marlene is so important to Barret, and I love that she calls him papa. And big tough Barret is suddenly a softy for Marlene. He's always thinking about her, and she's just his whole world.

Cloud & Marlene - YES BASED ON JUST THAT ONE SCENE OKEY

Cloud & Denzel - I love how much Denzel looks up to Cloud and sees him as his hero. I just imagine Denzel trying to emulate Cloud in every way, and I think it's adorable. I love that Cloud feels Denzel is sent by Aerith, and how responsible he feels for him.

Denzel & Marlene - oh god, how cute are they. They really turn into siblings and I love the part where they hold hands supporting each other when they're nervous.

Zack & Cloud - best bromance. 'nuff said.

Vincent & Red XIII - I really liked the part of the novel where they talk, and about the future where they'll be the only ones left of the people they love.

Vincent & Yuffie - I love how she forces her spunk upon his stoic nature. It sort of creates a weird balance, and I think that's good for him, lol.

Sephiroth, Angeal, & Genesis - I guess what I like most about this trio is how much they meant to Sephiroth. These were really his only friends, and he they were important to him.
 

Roger

He/him
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Minato
Favorite relationship:

Cloud & Vincent - Whether it is becaue he's gone through similiar difficlties as Cloud, just doesn't like being that confrontational to his friends or just because he's a nice guy, Vincent is the only one in Cloud's group of friends that doesn't seem to see his attidute as a problem that needs fixing (not counting Denzel). And I like the banter that Yuffie, Barret, Cid, Tifa, Marlene, Reno, Reeve, Zack and Aerith give Cloud, I do but I like that there is at least one guy that Cloud can have a conversation with without being called out on something. That's why I always look forward to their interactions.
 
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Kikki

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myPEACEFULsanctuary
Personally I'm Cloti baised. <3 Although I don't mind the Clerith pairing and their romance story is quite beautiful in a heartbreaking kind of way

Oh, I've always loved the realtionship between all the Turks. The sense of comrodareship and loyally to each other is amazing.
 

Marle

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Ava, Spike Spiegel, Stella Nox Fleuret, Altair Ibn-La'Ahad, Princess Zelda, Alice, Raven Roth, Faye Valentine, Tifa Lockhart, Khal Drogo
Tifa & her mom.

Many of you know I was anti Tifa my first playthrough of the game I was like ten it doesn't count k?

Now, aside the fact that the gurl kicks some serious ass, it was her memory of her mother that I identified with. I guess it's kinda personal, but my parents divorced early and all I had was my momma since I was like, five.

I saw the scene with how numb she was, how she shut out the whole world, including her friends and the people who loved her. I really wish they showed us more of her relationship with her mother because the impact was serious on her, what with her going to the top of a mountain in some sort of daze, intended on seeing her ghost.

I found it so tragic and something I could really identify with. For a relationship that wasn't depicted whatsoever, really, you could feel Tifa's agony and the strength of the bond between mother and daughter just from her actions.

It was so real and so raw. I still tear up a bit when I get to that scene in the game. ;-;
 

Splintered

unsavory tart
There was a lot of significance with mothers(and their deaths) in this game imo. There was a lot of talk about Sakaguchi's mother dying being an influence in the game so I guess it makes sense.

Cloud and his mother didn't get a lot of screentime but at least they made a point to write her in (unlike the father). Honestly, I know a lot of people wanted more, but the disjointed flashback sequences made me feel like it was one of the saddest moments in the game. It's like, he can't remember what she says but he remembers just her. And then the last line she says in the game is "I'll always be your mother" then the whole screen flashes white and he refuses to talk about it anymore- I loved it. I don't think it needed anymore.

Aerith and her mom, she gets to witness the last moment with her mother. And then it's her mother's legacy she inherits. Not only that but she's obviously very close to Elmyra. I really wish that we got to see the moment Cloud told Elmyra that Aerith died, it would have been powerful.

Tifa and her mother was a big part of the flashback. Compared to the other deaths this one was the most normal but it still had a big impact on her. Her want to somehow bring her back, coupled with one of my favorite soundtracks in the game was a great moment.

Then of course there's Sephiroth and Jenova. And Sephiroth and Lucrecia. And just how twisted their relationship was, Sephiroth's got this strange mother complex/obsession. And Lucrecia's remorse over giving up her son has led to her isolating herself and maybe even trying to end her life. Dirge screwed her up imo, but oh well.

Compilation also expands Aerith and Tifa's roles, with Aerith being mentioned as "mother" at least twice (more likely to contrast with Jenova) and Tifa being the mother of Denzel and Marlene.
 

Marle

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Speaking of parental relationships...

Seto & Red XIII.

;O;

I ALWAYS CRY. ALWAYS. That story is so tragic and then there's that epic music in the background and...my heart. ;O;
 

Theozilla

Kaiju Member
Speaking of parental relationships...

Seto & Red XIII.

;O;

I ALWAYS CRY. ALWAYS. That story is so tragic and then there's that epic music in the background and...my heart. ;O;

Ah, jeez when I saw that I was so sad I then immediately went and re-watched Mufasa's death in The Lion King. I don't know why I did, but those are two of the saddest lion (or lion-wolf-thing) deaths I have ever seen.
 

Guts

The Black Swordsman
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Aithex, Atom
I figured we could use this to discuss the LTD externally without derailing it.

I just wanted to say Adriane's 'barret/woman side' classification is hilarious.
 

Danseru-kun

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'Kay I wanna post here too.

I have never played FFVII so I may have a limited perspective over things but so far my favorite relationship is between Zack and Aerith (ZERITH FTW)

In the dark universe of FFVII these two youngsters lightened things up with simple innocence and laughter. They're a cute and cheesy teenage couple and they didn't seem to mind serious implications like Aerith being the last Cetra and Zack as SOLDIER. I like it how the player in CC is put into Zack's shoes where after a tiring mission you get excited to meet Aerith again in that church.

I love the symbols associated with them like flowers and the sky. For me the sky symbolizes freedom and Aerith never experienced it since she's a Cetra being monitored. But since Zack's eyes resemble the sky, I think it can also allude to Zack taking her out of an uneventful life and showing her a lot of new things in life.

I know it's a debate if their love was real or just a mere puppy love that was just serious. I think it was real enough, just young and still budding. Though they might not be that mature yet, the two of them genuinely cared for each other and Zack was responsible enough to balance work and his love life. I think Zack is much more mature than Aerith (a year makes a difference) based on Aerith's wishes like the flower wagons. For me, Aerith growing from 17 to 19 years old will already be enough for her to realize the difference between infatuation and true love, but for her to continue writing letters for four years seems to show that she continues to love Zack's character even if she is growing up without him.

This is why Zack's death is so so sad. His line where he realized that Aerith had given up on him is so painful and it made him more desperate to return to Midgar where the Shinra HQ is located. And he was so near... and he can safely escape the attack but he chose to protect Cloud. It's so sad that before getting defeated, Aerith was the last person on his mind.

After playing Crisis Core, ACC becomes more touching as they're together in death. I think romance is already gone between them but I think they're still more than friends. Sticking together until they dissolve, I think they spend their remaining time watching over Cloud and talking about their short lives.
 

Zee

wangxian married
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Zee
oh man i wanted to reply to this thread for ages but never did

anyway ha ha big surprise cloud/aeris is my favorite relationship. it's just this really fantastic mix of a sweet budding romance with some disturbing shit going on underneath

i know people always point to zack as being a factor in why she was initially attracted to cloud and yes, that's true, but i also like the fact that the girl who felt alone because she talked to voices only she could hear was drawn to the guy who talked to voices in his head. and i like that though on the surface they seem to react differently, the reasons for their behavior stems from a similar place (loss, trauma, loneliness). i never really liked the whole "opposites attract" label that gets slapped on them because i don't feel like they're all that different. they are both socially stunted, awkward, emotionally shut in people.

the biggest difference is just that aeris' reaction is to overcompensate, but it's good in the way that it gets cloud to react -- and react in ways that's true to his real persona rather than the fake one. and that he it seemed like he made more of an effort to get to understand her when she was being shut off and mysterious.

shit's powerful and makes me wish that we got to see them interact when cloud was whole. and also because seeing how her cetra powers affected her personal relationships was only barely touched upon and was actually really sad and interesting and something i would have liked to see her work past.

tl;dr they were perfectly written with really awesome chemistry to balance out all their personal drama whyyyy did she have to die ;O;
 

Marle

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Ava, Spike Spiegel, Stella Nox Fleuret, Altair Ibn-La'Ahad, Princess Zelda, Alice, Raven Roth, Faye Valentine, Tifa Lockhart, Khal Drogo
Zee, I loved your post. :3 And you finally posted! :D

I may not 'ship' Cloud/Aerith as a romantic goddess of holy pure light crap, but I did like the relationship. Pretty much for the same reasons Zee mentioned. :)

I think Aerith brought out the best of Cloud while he was all messed up and I think Cloud was able to make Aerith happy again in the way that Zack used to do. Had she lived, I think they would have definitely had a very interesting and sweet romantic relationship. :3

I wouldn't describe them as just 'lovers' or 'friends'. I feel like you can't really attach a title to their relationship the way you can with Cloud and Tifa. And it's a good thing because that's probably what makes it so interesting. :P

On the Zack and Aerith note, I just wanna say, if you guys don't already know, Zack-Aerith-Cloud-Tifa is my OT4. :D I just love them to bits.

I saw Zack and Aerith for more than just 'puppy love' or a fling. I also didn't see it as 'omg Zack is the reason why Aerith is who she is!!!'

As FF7 goes as a whole, I truly believe that these two were the only ones capable of a healthy romantic relationship. Despite all the shit that went on around them, despite the fact that their world was basically collapsing upon itself, both of them found beauty in life and when they were together, nothing else mattered.

I think Zack just helped Aerith open her eyes to the world around her, not create the character she was in FF7. He taught her how to be herself without fear and she grew up a bit because of him. She may have taken on a few of his traits but I don't think she did it because she was copying how cool Zack was. I think she did it because she simply wanted to and because she decided to take more charge of her life.

He was probably an inspiration to her, someone she admired and loved but not the sole reason for her existence.

I also loved how honest their relationship was. Aerith simply wants to spend more time with Zack and she just says it. And Zack never complains once. In a way, I think their relationship is almost the direct opposite of the one between Cloud and Tifa. Which is most likely why I'm so fascinated by the four characters and their relationships with one another. :)
 

Edley

Pray for Sound
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Issac Dian, Dudley, Chev Chelios
President and Rufus Shinra. I enjoy how Father kind of eggs his son on to usurp him, though I might be reading too much in to BC wikis.

Reno and Rude. A buddy cop duo for the ages.

Sephiroth and Hojo. Underneath it all, Hojo was a bastard. His son didn't far fall from the tree.

Barret and Dyne. The dialogue about blood stained hands still gets to me.

Bugenhagen and Nanaki. Very Merlin and Arthur to me.

Cloud and Tifa. Perfectly imperfect. They have enough issues to buy a therapist a vacation home, but it's the kind of love that bends but doesn't break. Cid and Shera would probably fall under this category as well.

Sephiroth and Elfe. Crack. I don't even think I'd follow this as a romance as much as I would have liked to have read a conversation between non-crazy Sephiroth and her.
 

Marle

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Resurrection time!

So, I've been replaying FF7 again since it's been a while since I've beaten it. I kind of noticed something interesting between Cloud/Tifa and Zack/Aerith. I already ranted about it on tumblr but I'll do it here, too. :D

I think Aerith and Tifa were similar when they were young, especially around their love interest. Tifa makes Cloud promise her that he'll come save her whenever she's in a bind and a lot of people like to read that as her being weak or childish or simply seeking a girlish fantasy. Personally, I always saw it as a way for her to ensure Cloud came back. She even uses the promise to get him to stay with AVALANCHE in the very beginning. We all know Tifa can handle her own, so I firmly believe she uses this promise to keep Cloud with her.

Similarly, you have Aerith and her 23 wishes for Zack. As well as her complaints in regards to the carriage he builds her. She has so many wishes and the carriage is never good enough xD. But, I'm more than certain that Aerith would have loved any carriage Zack built her and she admits that all the wishes simply translate in getting him to spend more time with her. She obviously uses this as an excuse to keep him coming back to her, to make him stay.

I find it adorable how both women do this and it just...makes me feel fuzzy inside.
 
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