Theozilla
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Hmmm, it's possible I am confusing it with other blue-green trucks on display, there's also the area where Tifa falls down to as well when she is doing the light swinging. Will have to recheck again sometime.
SPOILERS FFVII:R Chapter 16 Spoiler Discussion
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Mayo Master
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While going through the Shinra building through my, what, 5th playthrough, something occurred to me:
When the "Scarlet cutscene" plays out (after you finally get to the 59th floor), it actually establishes the background for the Huge Materia quests! The experiment that we see is exactly about growing Huge Materia synthetically. It corresponds to a prelude to the OG cutscene where Scarlet inspects the destroyed reactor near Gongaga. I can't believe it took me that long to connect the dots.
Since nobody has mentioned this in the thread, I thought it was worth pointing out.
When the "Scarlet cutscene" plays out (after you finally get to the 59th floor), it actually establishes the background for the Huge Materia quests! The experiment that we see is exactly about growing Huge Materia synthetically. It corresponds to a prelude to the OG cutscene where Scarlet inspects the destroyed reactor near Gongaga. I can't believe it took me that long to connect the dots.
Since nobody has mentioned this in the thread, I thought it was worth pointing out.
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Hi folks! After surviving the heat wave in Western Canada, I finally got to finish this chapter on my PS5 playthrough. This chapter is quite long, so it's rather picture-heavy.
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Torrie
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According to Mo, Vyzz broke the game 
Anyway, amazing angles that belong here!
Anyway, amazing angles that belong here!
Makoeyes987
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I noticed that too, was pretty hilarious to see how interconnected those areas were 
Makoeyes987
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So apparently the Ultimania Plus clarifies that Jenova.... Was calling out to Sephiroth.
Jenova itself was calling out to its son, Sephiroth... To come get it. And Cloud was picking up that message which triggered his eyes and for him to have that past vision of Sephiroth in Nibelheim.
Jenova itself was calling out to its son, Sephiroth... To come get it. And Cloud was picking up that message which triggered his eyes and for him to have that past vision of Sephiroth in Nibelheim.
The Twilight Mexican
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That's kind of a big deal.
Was this mentioned on Audrey's stream? I don't see a tweet for it.
Makoeyes987
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Yes, she translated it live on her stream.
Jenova was calling for her son. Sephiroth. So it seemingly knew it was time to get moving or it simply wanted out when it sensed Sephiroth was on the move. Not sure but yeah, it is a big deal.
Torrie
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There's A LOT happening in this chapter, so bear with me!
I have warm memories of watching Mage Masher's playthrough of this portion of the story. He's a witty one and always says something hilarious, so I'll never forget him commenting on the music when the party was making their way to HQ: "This music! This is giving me dick tingles!" xD
HQ itself is full of neon, all shades of cyan and teal, everywhere you look is hi-tech and incredibly beautiful. I guess, similarly to Jessie, I like bombs and monitors, you know, flashy stuff. Combine it with being able to control Tifa, and it's more than enough to make me happy. I found it amusing how Cloud literally runs from spot to spot on the stairs as long as she jumps further from one platform onto another, and how he freaks out when she falls. Aren't they adorable :3 I even gave them matching weapons. Cloud with his Mythril Sword, Tifa with her Purple Pain, both equipped with purple materia. A purple perfection
Most youtubers preferred taking the stairs, so I decided to take the elevator. Later on, when I was on the 59th floor, I surely decided to explore every single corner and came across a door I hadn't noticed before and hadn't seen in videos. I thought I'd found another secret treasure room. Imagine what I found behind it... the stairs. Oooooooops. It's worth mentioning that the camera was still distorted there as if I had climbed all the way up.
While in the museum, I wonder how Cloud didn't get his PTSD episode looking at mako pods next to an exhibit of SOLDIER uniform. He obviously got one when that grunt namedropped Kunsel, but I'm sure Cloud was dealing with the static in his head and didn't really hear anything. I appreciate the debate over Kunsel's relevance to Cloud's past, but I was among those who just loved the mere fact that he was mentioned at all, and I can't wait to find out if he's going to be introduced properly in the next installment.
And then Tifa asked him, "You okay?" And Cloud was like "Yeah" with his face full of guilt, oh my god, I can't with these two. <3
Looking for the mayor's collaborator was one big LOL of a quest. The way Shinra people misheard or misinterpreted it was absolutely hilarious. I also loved the way people assumed Cloud & Co were military or private security (not specifically SOLDIER, which probably means ordinary employees are not quite familiar with all the divisions and sub-divisions within Public Security).
By the way, what's the deal with the mayor's robots? Do you have to trigger them in a particular order, or are they there just for some extra nonsence?
The combat simulator was one hell of a ride! I had to rearrange pretty much everything that my party had equipped, but it was worth it. One particular moment stands out: I was fighting against some sort of drake with Tifa and Barret. I didn't have the assess materia on, and when the situation was getting hopeless, I summoned the first deity that was available at that moment, Shiva. I didn't really pay attention to her assisting attacks as I was busy healing and dodging, but then she cast Diamond Dust... and therefore healed the drake by almost 20% !!! I was in a state of shock. I finished him off with Tifa's limit break eventually, but it was probably my most stupid battle strategy in the entire game so far
Another memorable scene in this chapter was the lift. Not the elevator that the party had arrived at Floor 59 in but the round one which becomes available after the collaborator gives you a new keycard. The lighting looks incredible and differs from floor to floor.
I still can't get over how much I love this game
I have warm memories of watching Mage Masher's playthrough of this portion of the story. He's a witty one and always says something hilarious, so I'll never forget him commenting on the music when the party was making their way to HQ: "This music! This is giving me dick tingles!" xD
HQ itself is full of neon, all shades of cyan and teal, everywhere you look is hi-tech and incredibly beautiful. I guess, similarly to Jessie, I like bombs and monitors, you know, flashy stuff. Combine it with being able to control Tifa, and it's more than enough to make me happy. I found it amusing how Cloud literally runs from spot to spot on the stairs as long as she jumps further from one platform onto another, and how he freaks out when she falls. Aren't they adorable :3 I even gave them matching weapons. Cloud with his Mythril Sword, Tifa with her Purple Pain, both equipped with purple materia. A purple perfection
Most youtubers preferred taking the stairs, so I decided to take the elevator. Later on, when I was on the 59th floor, I surely decided to explore every single corner and came across a door I hadn't noticed before and hadn't seen in videos. I thought I'd found another secret treasure room. Imagine what I found behind it... the stairs. Oooooooops. It's worth mentioning that the camera was still distorted there as if I had climbed all the way up.
While in the museum, I wonder how Cloud didn't get his PTSD episode looking at mako pods next to an exhibit of SOLDIER uniform. He obviously got one when that grunt namedropped Kunsel, but I'm sure Cloud was dealing with the static in his head and didn't really hear anything. I appreciate the debate over Kunsel's relevance to Cloud's past, but I was among those who just loved the mere fact that he was mentioned at all, and I can't wait to find out if he's going to be introduced properly in the next installment.
And then Tifa asked him, "You okay?" And Cloud was like "Yeah" with his face full of guilt, oh my god, I can't with these two. <3
Looking for the mayor's collaborator was one big LOL of a quest. The way Shinra people misheard or misinterpreted it was absolutely hilarious. I also loved the way people assumed Cloud & Co were military or private security (not specifically SOLDIER, which probably means ordinary employees are not quite familiar with all the divisions and sub-divisions within Public Security).
By the way, what's the deal with the mayor's robots? Do you have to trigger them in a particular order, or are they there just for some extra nonsence?
The combat simulator was one hell of a ride! I had to rearrange pretty much everything that my party had equipped, but it was worth it. One particular moment stands out: I was fighting against some sort of drake with Tifa and Barret. I didn't have the assess materia on, and when the situation was getting hopeless, I summoned the first deity that was available at that moment, Shiva. I didn't really pay attention to her assisting attacks as I was busy healing and dodging, but then she cast Diamond Dust... and therefore healed the drake by almost 20% !!! I was in a state of shock. I finished him off with Tifa's limit break eventually, but it was probably my most stupid battle strategy in the entire game so far
Another memorable scene in this chapter was the lift. Not the elevator that the party had arrived at Floor 59 in but the round one which becomes available after the collaborator gives you a new keycard. The lighting looks incredible and differs from floor to floor.
I still can't get over how much I love this game
Makoeyes987
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So, I think I discovered something new today!
I remember it was mentioned here on the forum that we don't really see any dead bodies in the Shinra Building in the Remake, unlike the OG.
Well... That's technically not really true.
Apparently, during the boss fight against Specimen H0512, you can find the bodies of 2 Shinra scientists lying dead there by the container H0512 emerged from. They are the two scientists that were in the previous cutscene that saw Hojo being taken hostage by Barret.
Apparently they just drop dead when H0512 emerges and spews it's toxic gas. I was pretty surprised seeing 2 dead NPCs during a boss fight.
I remember it was mentioned here on the forum that we don't really see any dead bodies in the Shinra Building in the Remake, unlike the OG.
Well... That's technically not really true.
Apparently, during the boss fight against Specimen H0512, you can find the bodies of 2 Shinra scientists lying dead there by the container H0512 emerged from. They are the two scientists that were in the previous cutscene that saw Hojo being taken hostage by Barret.
Apparently they just drop dead when H0512 emerges and spews it's toxic gas. I was pretty surprised seeing 2 dead NPCs during a boss fight.
LicoriceAllsorts
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I have just realised I hate the implication that Kunsel knows who so-called anonymous grunt Cloud is/was.
But then again, Kunsel does creepily know everything.
It's no surprise he's still alive.
Do you think the developers sometimes forgot that Cloud was not a real SOLDIER?
But then again, Kunsel does creepily know everything.
It's no surprise he's still alive.
Do you think the developers sometimes forgot that Cloud was not a real SOLDIER?
ForceStealer
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I doubt it. It's probably just because they're two of the named characters Zack interacted with in CC. And, yes, Kunsel seems to know everything about Zack's life.
Torrie
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Nice catch! I think everyone is usually so preoccupied with the battle that these dudes simply get overlooked
Part of the fandom on Twitter actually hc'ed him being the chairman of Zack's fanclub instead of Cissnei
I honestly couldn't care less right now how much he actually knows, I just want to see him involved in the plot somehow. And I'm super intrigued if he's going to get face reveal treatment. And if he is, I wonder if the devs have been doing their own research of headcanons on social media, or are they going for a totally new unique look for him.
Obsidian Fire
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It's outright stated in the CC Ultimanias that Zack and Cloud interacted more in the CC era than we see "on-screen". We get hints of that in some of Cloud's DWM memories where Zack purposely runs into Cloud's MP unit while they are both in Midgar just to go hang out with Cloud (and ends up hanging out with *everyone* in Clouds MP unit).
And Kunsel really does know everything about everyone in Shinra who is worth knowing, not just Zack. We're talking the different budgets of different departments down to the dollar amount, knowing Shinra is funding Banora, knowing Hojo uses *Jenova Cells* to make SOLDIERs, keeping tabs on what Sephiroth is up too when he's off duty, finding out other people in Shinra are looking after two research specimines on the run (and guessing Zack is one of them) and are sending the rest of the army after them....
Like... Kunsel knowing Zack is hanging out with Aerith down in the Slums and a specific MP trooper while he's not on missions is peanuts compared to that kind of stuff. Zack *talks* about his personal life to just about anyone with no prompting. It's *everything else* that Kunsel knows and mentions in e-mails about Shinra that has people raising their eyebrows and headcanoning that Kunsel is like... an undercover Turk or something...
There's no way Kunsel *doesn't* find out someone not Zack was using the Buster Sword to raid the Shinra Building. Or that Aerith was with that person. Not necessarily because they have to do with *Zack*, but because they have Shinra in an uproar and there's no way for Kunsel to miss what is happening.
And Kunsel really does know everything about everyone in Shinra who is worth knowing, not just Zack. We're talking the different budgets of different departments down to the dollar amount, knowing Shinra is funding Banora, knowing Hojo uses *Jenova Cells* to make SOLDIERs, keeping tabs on what Sephiroth is up too when he's off duty, finding out other people in Shinra are looking after two research specimines on the run (and guessing Zack is one of them) and are sending the rest of the army after them....
Like... Kunsel knowing Zack is hanging out with Aerith down in the Slums and a specific MP trooper while he's not on missions is peanuts compared to that kind of stuff. Zack *talks* about his personal life to just about anyone with no prompting. It's *everything else* that Kunsel knows and mentions in e-mails about Shinra that has people raising their eyebrows and headcanoning that Kunsel is like... an undercover Turk or something...
There's no way Kunsel *doesn't* find out someone not Zack was using the Buster Sword to raid the Shinra Building. Or that Aerith was with that person. Not necessarily because they have to do with *Zack*, but because they have Shinra in an uproar and there's no way for Kunsel to miss what is happening.
Torrie
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And it still hurts me and many others this very day that it's left off-screen. Shame. SHAME.
That actualy resonates with my headcanon too. I can also easily imagine that Turks hate Kunsel for being a SOLDIER as he could have lent his intel abilities to them.
LicoriceAllsorts
Donator
He's just so creepy I can't understand why anyone would be friends with him. What about that time he invites Zack to hang out in Sector 8 and then dumps him as soon as they get there? What about those thinly veiled blackmail threats?
Obsidian Fire
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Kunsel's dialogue with Zack is... some of the most *normal* conversations Zack gets to have with... almost anyone in Shinra. Kunsel "leaving" Zack in Sector 8 always goes weird in YouTube playthroughs as Zack is *supposed* to stick around in Sector 8 for a while interacting with NPCs or going to the Slums. Those are the "free roaming" times in CC when the story isn't happening. So it's less "Kunsel dumps Zack" and more "the player leaves Kunsel behind to go interact with NPCs". It's probably really like "two friends who happen to be SOLDIER have a night out on the town together"... only SOLDIERs are kinda like minor celebrities in Midgar, so it always gets hectic.
The creepy one is Luxarie who really wants to get a promotion. Actually... *all* the SOLDIERs Zack interacts with are kinda weird in some way and often have odd obessions. "Normal" people just seemingly don't get into SOLDIER. You've got Kunsel (information fantatic), Luxarie (trying to get a promotion), SOLDIER obsessed with hot women (particularly Scarlet), Angeal is obessed with honor, Gensis is obessed with Loveless, and a several other SOLDIERs that have a *really* good handle on Shinra internal politics and the ramifications they have on the SOLDIER department. Really, Roache fits right with everyone else in SOLDIER in as having some really weird personality quirk and thing he's obessed with. SOLDIERs apperently are all Bunny-Ears Lawyers and everyone in Shinra is basically okay with that.
Sephiroth is honestly the *weirdest* SOLDIER compared with everyone else as he doesn't seem to be obsessed with anything and the SOLDIERs themselves don't think of Sephiroth as a leader. Angeal (and even Genesis) is about more as being the leaders according to SOLDIER. Later, Zack gets compared to them in terms of what other SOLDIERs think of his role as.
Given that half of the reason anyone can actually *be* a SOLDIER in the first place stems from having a very strong sense of who they are as a person... and how a lot of people who *are* really confident in themselves end up being people who *really* don't care about what other people think of them or their weird hobbies... It makes sense that SOLDIER ends up consisting of a bunch of quirky people who don't give a shit about what other people think of them just because it's screening for people who won't get mako poisioning.
The creepy one is Luxarie who really wants to get a promotion. Actually... *all* the SOLDIERs Zack interacts with are kinda weird in some way and often have odd obessions. "Normal" people just seemingly don't get into SOLDIER. You've got Kunsel (information fantatic), Luxarie (trying to get a promotion), SOLDIER obsessed with hot women (particularly Scarlet), Angeal is obessed with honor, Gensis is obessed with Loveless, and a several other SOLDIERs that have a *really* good handle on Shinra internal politics and the ramifications they have on the SOLDIER department. Really, Roache fits right with everyone else in SOLDIER in as having some really weird personality quirk and thing he's obessed with. SOLDIERs apperently are all Bunny-Ears Lawyers and everyone in Shinra is basically okay with that.
Sephiroth is honestly the *weirdest* SOLDIER compared with everyone else as he doesn't seem to be obsessed with anything and the SOLDIERs themselves don't think of Sephiroth as a leader. Angeal (and even Genesis) is about more as being the leaders according to SOLDIER. Later, Zack gets compared to them in terms of what other SOLDIERs think of his role as.
Given that half of the reason anyone can actually *be* a SOLDIER in the first place stems from having a very strong sense of who they are as a person... and how a lot of people who *are* really confident in themselves end up being people who *really* don't care about what other people think of them or their weird hobbies... It makes sense that SOLDIER ends up consisting of a bunch of quirky people who don't give a shit about what other people think of them just because it's screening for people who won't get mako poisioning.
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I think part of that is gameplay mechanic crossover.
The NPCS have to impart useful information. But if he really knows that much then it's pretty much story breaking. The player needs to be reminded of stuff they may have forgotten, but Zack can't react too much.
This kind of thing actually hurts worldbuilding for me. He hangs out with the unit, but we never learn anything about them or any other names. It's like the characters are metagaming and know who is important.
The NPCS have to impart useful information. But if he really knows that much then it's pretty much story breaking. The player needs to be reminded of stuff they may have forgotten, but Zack can't react too much.
This kind of thing actually hurts worldbuilding for me. He hangs out with the unit, but we never learn anything about them or any other names. It's like the characters are metagaming and know who is important.