SPOILERS FFVII Remake Open Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Torture as in have us cry our hearts out because of a heart rending tear-jerker, or because they turn our favorite scenes into some cringey drama?
I feel like they could go both ways at this point.
KindOfBlue
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Perhaps, but we still don’t know exactly how different the future will be from the one we already know...I think it’s possible that Red’s vision of a “bad future” could end up happening anyways but under different circumstances. After all, we still don’t know what exactly happened to Midgar 500 years later. ?
Torture as in have us cry our hearts out because of a heart rending tear-jerker, or because they turn our favorite scenes into some cringey drama?
I feel like they could go both ways at this point.
I sure hope it’s the former instead of the latter...I can tolerate some pretty wild ideas as long as they’re well-executed. The handling of the characters in Remake gives me confidence so far, though at any point SE could definitely drop the ball so I totally understand the apprehension!
Jairus
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Here's something I just thought of. After the coin toss, Sam gives Cloud his coin, and you have it in your inventory from there on. But in the cutscene in the coliseum later, Sam is shown flipping it. How could he and Cloud both have the coin at the same time? It's like how Jessie lost her gun during the fight with Roche on the bike, but she somehow had it back later during the whisper fight and the pillar battle. Speaking of which, her leg was miraculously all better by then, even though it had only been a day and sprains usually take weeks to heal. She shouldn't have been able to take part in the battle at all. And if cure magic or potions had been used on it, then why weren't they used in the first place when she first got hurt so she wouldn't have had to miss the Reactor 5 mission?
Jairus
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His profile doesn't say anything about him having more than one coin, though. I checked. And if Jessie has multiple guns, why does she only ever fight with one at a time instead using one in each hand? She's only ever shown with one. And as for the sprain, I just did a little research, and the minimum recovery time for a first degree sprain (the lightest kind) is still 1-2 weeks on average. And she couldn't walk, so it was more than likely a second degree sprain. She couldn't even get up on her own. So she shouldn't have been able to even move, let alone fight through the pain.
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I would have liked to see Jessie’s injury play out during the pillar sequence as if it were an actual story point instead of a rushed contrivance that they forgot to follow through on. I guess they wanted her to look cool with a grenade. Priorities, right? 
Clement Rage
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Whisper healing. She got injured to stop her from going on the mission to reactor 5, but they would also want her in the pillar to keep fate on track.
Ite
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I know you’re joking, but that’s exactly what I hate about the whispers. Literally nothing has any impact or stakes or realism anymore, because they’ve invented this zip-em-up answer to any incongruence in the story and overused the fuck out of it so that they could “shock” us without having to deal with how those things would actually impact the story. It’s just creating fake drama, it’s Chewie’s “death” in Rise of Skywalker. Gah.
Clement Rage
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I was mostly serious. Your other option is that Jessie just wasn't as badly injured as she thought.
It's not too hard to imagine that Sam replaced his coin or Jessie her gun after they lost it.
What happens with the Whispers for me will depend on part 2. If there's no Hard Consequences for the leads carelessly screwing with the timeline, I'll have a hard time engaging with it.
It's not too hard to imagine that Sam replaced his coin or Jessie her gun after they lost it.
What happens with the Whispers for me will depend on part 2. If there's no Hard Consequences for the leads carelessly screwing with the timeline, I'll have a hard time engaging with it.
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Because that's a very stupid and impractical way to fight with guns
Jairus
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Then I guess Dante and Cassie Cage are impractical fighters, Ody? Dual handguns is a common fighting style in many games and movies. Remember Neo in The Matrix? The lobby scene?
Clement, Jessie already had her gun back in the scene where she, Cloud, Biggs, and Wedge got off their bikes on the Sector 7 plate - it's on the back of her belt like it always is when she's not using it. I just checked some screens from it to be sure. So it doesn't make sense how she got it back. And I got the impression from the in-game description that Sam's coin was one of a kind and specially-made. After all, how often do you see a two-headed coin? And a new one would probably take time to make.
Clement, Jessie already had her gun back in the scene where she, Cloud, Biggs, and Wedge got off their bikes on the Sector 7 plate - it's on the back of her belt like it always is when she's not using it. I just checked some screens from it to be sure. So it doesn't make sense how she got it back. And I got the impression from the in-game description that Sam's coin was one of a kind and specially-made. After all, how often do you see a two-headed coin? And a new one would probably take time to make.
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I can only speak for myself here but I was never too concerned about the logical consistency of a game in which you can fight, among many other bizarre entities, a literal house. Once my brain accepted that then I kinda just zoned out the notion of stuff like continuity, especially at such a minor level. ?
LicoriceAllsorts
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Is that her gun, or the grappling gun? They all seem to keep their grappling guns on the back of their belts.
Odysseus
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Literal demon man isn't the best counter example, you know, and I don't know who the other one is. Jessie could have easily gotten a second gun regardless of if this is a continuity issue anyway, so "why wouldn't she just use two" is a logic problem for you either way. Nobody else uses two guns in VII, including immortal demon man Vincent Valentine who definitely has multiple hand guns.
She's an actress turned terrorist, not a super soldier or "the one."
The Twilight Mexican
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All of those people are superhumans, though, so there's a measure more plausibility to that. Not that the developers couldn't or wouldn't have done it anyway if it jibed with whatever aesthetic they were going for, but apparently it didn't since they didn't.
It stands to reason he had multiples of the coin all specially made at the same time.
And why would he give away his only one to a guy who he's known for five annoying minutes? =P
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at least they didn't have a 5th (6th? 7th???) situation where she's hanging off a ledge to create some drama
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That's the morbid hilarity of the Arbiters of Fate.
You hated them being around, guiding the story along it's charted course that is in line with the original FFVII.
But then you'll realize you miss them during the inevitable deviation from the original in Part 2 that you hate.
I suppose it'll matter just what and how much that deviation is... But there will always be that one which will be someone's red line or sour point, that they'll wish was kept along the destined course of before. It's going to be real interesting to see what this world will bring us in terms of change. Because it will happen. The ghosts of fate's past, will be simultaneously hated and missed. It's gonna be interesting times.
You hated them being around, guiding the story along it's charted course that is in line with the original FFVII.
But then you'll realize you miss them during the inevitable deviation from the original in Part 2 that you hate.
I suppose it'll matter just what and how much that deviation is... But there will always be that one which will be someone's red line or sour point, that they'll wish was kept along the destined course of before. It's going to be real interesting to see what this world will bring us in terms of change. Because it will happen. The ghosts of fate's past, will be simultaneously hated and missed. It's gonna be interesting times.
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Are we still talking about FFVII?
Jairus
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I suppose, but logically if she had more than one, you'd think she'd have at least tried fighting dual to see how well she could do it. Maybe SE'll give her a second one if/when she comes back in Part 2, to mix things up a bit.
True, but you'd think there'd be some explanation given in-game to account for us seeing them both have it at the same time, to account for the apparent discrepancy. Same for Jessie's gun - that seems a clear mistake since she has it back when they get off the bikes but with no explanation for how she got it - they'd have no way of knowing where it landed and thus, where to look for it. Or the time, probably.
As I said above, it was a clear mistake because she had it back by the time she got off the bike in Sector 7, but with no way to know where it had landed or where to look for it. And why is it that you seem to think that nobody in the game world is ever allowed to adopt a combat style not used by the traditional PC's? And I know what she is, but she obviously knows how to use her weapon, as we see her use it multiple times. And the point of my examples is that the dual style is one that exists and is sometimes used.
Oh and Lic, it was her gun, not a grappling gun. She tries to shoot Roche with it and he knocks it away.
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Why do you think it's a logic assumption? Most people can't wield two guns and even in fantasy isn't that normal. And Jessie was trained in acting, not magic martial arts or something similar that would give her an absurd amount of strength to make her able to take dual wielding.
I think explosives fit her more. BOMBS!
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Also, given that one of the next places they go after she loses her gun is a Shinra warehouse where they appearantly have a bunch of troops stationed, and lots of weapons and such in storage, plus the other Avalanche group rolling in, it's not unreasonable to assume that maybe she acquired a new gun somewhere along the way
The Twilight Mexican
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It's a coin, though? There's no apparent discrepancy.
I see a coin, I have to assume the machine set up to mint it was used to make more than one of its kind. Rufus tosses his special coins around like Halloween candy.
Jairus
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Her gun isn't that big, though. So you'd think it wouldn't be that hard. As I said before, she knows how to use her weapon. And there's nothing saying she can't use both guns and bombs, either. I agree bombs are part of her style.
She had the gun back before she ever went to the warehouse, as shown here:
That's a clear continuity gaffe on SE's part, since there's no way she could've gotten it back or gotten another one that fast. They drove into the tunnel and parked by the stairs right after the fight with Roche where she lost it.
Not everyone would assume that, though. A single line of dialogue would've sufficed. Or something in the coin's in-game description to indicate it wasn't unique. Just a little attention to details like that to avoid any risk of confusion and avoid continuity errors.