Clement Rage
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Ohh, I hope so.
I don't think they can backpedal now, because otherwise there was no point in defeating the Whispers. If they stick to the rails, I will be disappointed.
SPOILERS FFVII Remake Open Spoiler Discussion Thread
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Ohh, I hope so.
I don't think they can backpedal now, because otherwise there was no point in defeating the Whispers. If they stick to the rails, I will be disappointed.
ForceStealer
Double Growth
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The plot ghosts may be defeated but because I'm now so jaded I assume that future parts will introduce new mysterious ghost-like foes. Like Kingdom Hearts started with Heartless and then continued on with Nobodies, Unversed and Dream Eaters, so too will FFVIIR feel compelled to introduce spiritual sequels to the Whispers. Prepare for Shouts, Whistlers, Singers and Ventriloquists.
Or think of it how Dirge of Cerberus had Deepground, Crisis Core had Angeal Copies and Genesis Copies, Before Crisis had the Ravens and so on. It's game design instinct to, which each new installment, introduce at least one new enemy design and then interweave it with the plot of the game.
Not an obligatory path by any means but I'm not letting Square catch me off-guard this time.
Or think of it how Dirge of Cerberus had Deepground, Crisis Core had Angeal Copies and Genesis Copies, Before Crisis had the Ravens and so on. It's game design instinct to, which each new installment, introduce at least one new enemy design and then interweave it with the plot of the game.
Not an obligatory path by any means but I'm not letting Square catch me off-guard this time.
looneymoon
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- Rishi
In pt 2 you learn that all the entire Remake cast are puppet versions of the actual original FF7 characters. These new forms are called the Pantomimes.
Surprise, the Pantomimes are all agents of Sephiroth. The game ends with you fighting an exact copy pf your party in their puppet form.
I can write for this shit, does Square Enix pay well?Please notice me Nomura-senpai.
Surprise, the Pantomimes are all agents of Sephiroth. The game ends with you fighting an exact copy pf your party in their puppet form.
I can write for this shit, does Square Enix pay well?Please notice me Nomura-senpai.
Ite
Save your valediction (she/her)
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I fuckin' rofl'd for real
Odysseus
Ninja Potato
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- Ody
You joke, but this would actually be thematically relevant.
Odysseus
Ninja Potato
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- Ody
Yes
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okay I attempted to make it but I guess threads need approval here on this section.
looneymoon
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- Rishi
screw you guys my idea for the Pantomimes rules 
LegendarySaiyan
AKA: SalihGuclu
Obsidian Fire
Ahk Morn!
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- The Engineer
The thing with the Whispers is that while they can are defeated "now" they weren't defeated "back then". And a good chunk of the backstory of FFVII is all told in flashbacks.
So I think there's a lot of potential to use the flashbacks to show what kind of influence the Whispers had in the past. And that scares the hell out of me because changing up the "why" of the FFVII story effects the overall tone of it a lot.
So I think there's a lot of potential to use the flashbacks to show what kind of influence the Whispers had in the past. And that scares the hell out of me because changing up the "why" of the FFVII story effects the overall tone of it a lot.
Torrie
astray ay-ay-ay
I don't know where else to bring it. If any of these predictions come true (which I don't think they will, honestly, but let our imagination run wild), it will be the most incredible meta narrative I could ever imagine in the FF7 lore.
TL;DW:
- Zack is a samurai and an embodiment of the Bushido code;
- Zack and Aerith are guardians of the planet;
- The planet brings Zack back to life to protect itself from Sephiroth;
- Zack was alive the entire time during Part 1;
- He had his reasons not to show up early and to act behind the scenes;
- Zack is Stamp (MIND = BLOWN);
- It was he who rescued Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie;
- It was he who linked Wutai and Avalanche;
- Kunsel might still be working for Shinra BECAUSE Zack is alive.
TL;DW:
- Zack is a samurai and an embodiment of the Bushido code;
- Zack and Aerith are guardians of the planet;
- The planet brings Zack back to life to protect itself from Sephiroth;
- Zack was alive the entire time during Part 1;
- He had his reasons not to show up early and to act behind the scenes;
- Zack is Stamp (MIND = BLOWN);
- It was he who rescued Biggs, Wedge, and Jessie;
- It was he who linked Wutai and Avalanche;
- Kunsel might still be working for Shinra BECAUSE Zack is alive.
KindOfBlue
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I think we’ve now ascended to some level 10 theory
looneymoon
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YouTube was a mistake
Cat on Mars
Actually not a cat
Yes, just what we need, Zack having a hand on everything again.
Did you think that Aerith's ribbon was her idea? Surprise! It was Zack's!
Did you believed that 7th Heaven was Tifa's idea? Surprise! It was Zack's!
And more pointless shit was Zack's idea too, he was the Forrest Gump of FFVII.
Did you think that Aerith's ribbon was her idea? Surprise! It was Zack's!
Did you believed that 7th Heaven was Tifa's idea? Surprise! It was Zack's!
And more pointless shit was Zack's idea too, he was the Forrest Gump of FFVII.
Odysseus
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- Ody
You see, Zack wasn't a man, not really.
The lifestream has many functions, to bring life, bring death, and rebirth. Past. Present. Future. The end. It was all part of a larger cycle, the cycle that was existence. However, there was a certain current of that great flow that served another purpose.
In every story there is an antagonist, one who seeks to bring chaos and ruin to all who live, and so too must there be a counterbalance to right the wrongs, undo the evils and to ultimately bring about FREEDOM. To make the world more FAIR.
That was this current's function, this current that was Zack Fair. The hero of this story.
Freedom has a price, and Zack had paid it, but fate works in funny ways. With an explosion of golden light, that debt was postponed, and Zack's mission had only truly just begun. The story had certain beats it hat to hit, so Zack was forced to operate covertly, but his was a strong current, so such limitations would not stop the flow.
He would save those doomed to perish, correct all the world's suffering.
He was Zack Fair.
Man.
Stream.
Hero.
Unnecessary plot device.
And he could not be stopped.
The lifestream has many functions, to bring life, bring death, and rebirth. Past. Present. Future. The end. It was all part of a larger cycle, the cycle that was existence. However, there was a certain current of that great flow that served another purpose.
In every story there is an antagonist, one who seeks to bring chaos and ruin to all who live, and so too must there be a counterbalance to right the wrongs, undo the evils and to ultimately bring about FREEDOM. To make the world more FAIR.
That was this current's function, this current that was Zack Fair. The hero of this story.
Freedom has a price, and Zack had paid it, but fate works in funny ways. With an explosion of golden light, that debt was postponed, and Zack's mission had only truly just begun. The story had certain beats it hat to hit, so Zack was forced to operate covertly, but his was a strong current, so such limitations would not stop the flow.
He would save those doomed to perish, correct all the world's suffering.
He was Zack Fair.
Man.
Stream.
Hero.
Unnecessary plot device.
And he could not be stopped.
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Cat on Mars
Actually not a cat
Clement Rage
Pro Adventurer
I have a mild aversion to the Whispers because the whole 'break free from your fate' deal is the same drum that Final Fantasy has been beating ever since FFX, but mostly I thought they were hilarious.
They can't, I hope, undo their defeat, so what I'm hoping for is a 'defeating them was a really bad idea because of thing F' going forward.
They can't, I hope, undo their defeat, so what I'm hoping for is a 'defeating them was a really bad idea because of thing F' going forward.
KindOfBlue
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That’s how I took it. Sure, we beat the Whispers and defied fate but in doing so, have we just given Sephiroth/Jenova exactly what they wanted? Have we condemned ourselves to a future far worse than one we already know? Next time on Dragon Ball Z...
Jairus
Author of FFVII: Lifestream & FFVII: Reflections
Going that way might just make things even more convoluted, though.
"Changing the bad fate to a good fate was actually a bad thing now we have to change the really bad fate we've got now back to the bad fate we had before or the new fate's gonna be even more bad than it was before we changed the old fate to the new fate."
Cloud: "Uh... run that by me again?"
"Changing the bad fate to a good fate was actually a bad thing now we have to change the really bad fate we've got now back to the bad fate we had before or the new fate's gonna be even more bad than it was before we changed the old fate to the new fate."
Cloud: "Uh... run that by me again?"