Just out of curiosity, did you all even want a remake? I didn't, so the only
is no remake at all as far as I'm concerned. Graphics aside the original holds up just fine, all I would want is a new English localization so the plot is more comprehensible. That's all the new FFVII that was ever necessary, but so many people wanted so much more.
For old fans who don't like the remake, I'm not just going to say "why do you even care if the remake is weird when the original still exists." Ultimately more FFVII discourse than not is going to surround the remake from now on, so that'll unavoidably impact you regardless. I guess I'm wondering, is that really all that concerns you though? That the conversation will be inevitably altered the more the Remake drifts from the original? Is there some fear of getting left behind in a sea of new discussion? I dunno, maybe I'm small-minded, but that's the only reason I can think of.
The way I see it, if it was just going to be the same story with prettier visuals they should have done an OOT 3D and just updated the graphics while mostly leaving everything else alone. That'd be cheap, I think most people would be happy with it, and that's the treatment other FF games have gotten. However, that wouldn't live up to the expectations people have had for the past decade+ about what a "Final Fantasy VII" remake would be like.
Really, you've all been fucked from the day that that scummy PS3 demo got shown off. That put the image of AAA fully realized FFVII in peoples heads. If it was gonna be the same plot Square would have just done a remaster like I mentioned above, but if they're gonna go all out things have to be different. There's no way they could justify it otherwise. Not for how many games it's gonna take, not for how much money they're dumping into it. You should know that, you're all familiar with these people at this point, you know they're a bunch of weirdos with weird ideas who would definitely be unsatisfied with just retreading old ground just because you all don't want change. The "not specifically you guys in this thread but a more generalized 'you' refering to the larger FFVII community" dug this hole for yourselves inch by inch with every FFVII REMAKE rumor and wishlist, every time you asked the developers if they'd do it, every time you showed how much interest there was for it, every time square enix couldn't escape the shadow of a decades old PS1 game.
So I'll say again, did you all even want a remake? Because you got a fucking "REMAKE," built from the ground up as if it were a new game with a new plot and a whole load of new things to worry about, and you should have know it wouldn't be any other way.
"The promise has been made" mother fuckers.
*mic drop*
POTATO OUT!
Yeah, I am sorry but posts like this really make me mad, they feel SOOO intellectually dishonest to me. I've heard them too many times to count now and it really feels like people are being willfully obtuse.
Especially this part:
"So I'll say again, did you all even want a remake? Because you got a fucking "REMAKE,""
Are we really doing this? Are we really pretending that it's ok to lie to your fans if it's technically not a lie? They willfully deceived us. I don't care about semantics or puns, and the fact that people are defending this based on those trivialities really sickens me.
They KNEW people wanted a remake in the form of "We want FFVII again, but now updated to how it WOULD be if it were made in 2015". They purposefully led us to believe that THAT is what they were making, and when they named it "remake" they weren't thinking "well, this should make it clear that this is a sequel that happens to be called "remake" ".
If you are ok with being lied to, ok, that's fine for you, but don't pretend that we got the product that we thought we were getting. This is the purest form of lawyer speak and it should be beneath us.
Personally, I never really actively wanted a remake until SE starting getting me in the mood for one, I was actually more hyped about FFXV, about the idea of a good NEW mainline FF game. But I was led to believe that I was getting a remake, and based on that I started getting excited about this possibility of something I never expected I'd ever get. I got back into the game, and was looking forward to seeing it again how I saw it in my fantasies when I was younger. I got excited about the prospect of being able to finally share one of my favorite game stories of all time with my friends and nephew who don't play games that look like that.
"Graphics aside the original holds up just fine,"
According to you, not according to the people that I can't even get to play it. Also, what is it with this "good enough" mentality? It's ridiculous, why do we arbitrarily have this "one and done" mentality when it comes to games? When I draw or make anything, I don't just do it once and however it comes out, that'll be fine for all eternity.
I try to perfect my craft, improve myself, I erase and redraw and eventually try to make the best version of something possible. Out of the thousands of games mankind has created and thrown against the wall, a few masterpieces have emerged. And I want those masterpieces shined and polished to the point where the effect it had on us is felt 100 times over by our descendants.
There is a saying, about reinventing the wheel, but people didn't just invent the wheel and be done with it, it was tweaked and improved time and time again. Why should a story be any different?
"why do you even care if the remake is weird when the original still exists."
Because I can't lie to myself, if the sequel to a movie tells me that everything in the original was just a dream, then I can't unknow that. That is part of me now. Canon matters, otherwise I might as well just sit at home daydreaming. Without canon there are no consequences, there is no tension, there is no meaning, there is nothing, because each willful imagination is as valid as any other. Who cares if anyone dies, or falls in love, or has whatever happen to them in a story? It's all just fake anyway.
Stories are enjoyed through empathy, through suspension of disbelief, and I can't just pick and choose which parts to believe. If Remake undoes the original, the original is DEAD to me.
I've already lost the ability to cry at crisis core since I simply know the ending doesn't happen, if you still can, good for you, but I can't, and I have good reason to be upset about that.
Also, even if I somehow could delude myself into pretending a thing didn't happen, no one else would indulge my fantasy. You think I can go and talk to people about FFVII and expect them to pretend things that happened in the remake didn't happen? No, they'll tell me to grow up and accept canon, as I've told Cleriths a thousand times before.
"The way I see it, if it was just going to be the same story with prettier visuals they should have done an OOT 3D and just updated the graphics while mostly leaving everything else alone"
First of all, that IS what people wanted, they just couldn't do that because gaming in 2020 is fundamentally different than in 1997. People keep pretending it's just a graphics update, it's not, it's an entirely different medium, as different as mute black and white tv is from modern HD, that's the point.
If in the 2001 version of Lord of the rings Frodo and Sam suddenly climb into a closet to Narnia, I'd be upset, and I don't think people would be telling me "if you just wanted the same story as the book but just with updated graphics, just listen to the audio book".
The remake was the first telling of a classic story in over 20 years. If this were the 10th freaking batman movie or something, then sure, I understand why you'd go wild and not care much about the source material. But that's not the case, it's the first and probably last time this story will be told. And now it's stuck in 1997 gameplay and visuals for all eternity. Had they given us a remake in 2010, and then NOW we were complaining about getting another one, then sure, go wild.
" If it was gonna be the same plot Square would have just done a remaster like I mentioned above, but if they're gonna go all out things have to be different."
Yeah, this is a complete non-sequitur, we all know that there is a difference between a faithful adaptation that simply takes a story, and translates it into another medium, and one that simply does whatever it wants.
No one is defending Dragonball: evolution because "well, they had to change it from the anime". Just like we all know that there is a difference between them translating the Japanese lines to english, trying to capture the spirit as best as possible, and what happened to the translation in the OG.
"you're all familiar with these people at this point, you know they're a bunch of weirdos with weird ideas "
So I should be ok with being lied to because SE is weird?
"did you all even want a remake? Because you got a fucking "REMAKE," built from the ground up as if it were a new game with a new plot"
I wanted THREE things, they're all separate issues, so don't conflate them by pretending they're the same issue.
1: To not feel lied to, I don't care how good you think the remake is, or how much you think it technically counts as a remake as long as you understand that "remake" is a pun. When I spent 300 euros to buy a product, I wanted that product to reflect what I believed I'd get. The entire game could have been a 20 minute long cutscene with ZERO gameplay but just a video collage of all the trailers, and although that would technically mean I got everything the trailers promised me.....it would not be ok. IF they wanted to make a sequel, I wanted to KNOW that when I saved up for months for this "remake".
2: For whatever they made to respect and fit with the themes, lessons, and overall soul of the original game. For them not to retroactively change what makes FFVII special.
3: And yes, I HOPED for a game that would fit the concept of "what FFVII would be if it had been made in 2020". So a faithful remake, changing what NEEDS to be changed for the new medium, adding things where needed that accentuate instead of conflict with the original (like Jessies house). And that I could present as the definitive version of FFVII. I wanted above all else, that after this game was out, I would never have to say "yeah, you kind need to play this 1997 game in order to really get what's happening here".
The remake is literally the opposite.
Those thing you apparently think I SHOULD want, are what I WOULD have wanted if someone had told me "we're going to make a SEQUAL to FFVII", but I wasn't told that.
Anyway, Tl ;Dr I can't stand this implication that there is something wrong or useless about wanting to see something remade faithfully with modern technology, it's patently absurd. This is proven by the fact that people DO want it, if people want something, it's no good telling them they shouldn't, if they want something because it gives them pleasure, that's good enough, we don't have to justify why we find it pleasurable.
I've also not seen a single person who was playing through the faithful parts who went "well, this is dull, it's just exactly what I experienced already as a child only now with actual realistic graphics, tears, emotions, etc, could have just played the OG YAWN".
If you want to have a discussion about whether or not an actual remake would have been better or worse than a sequel pun remake, that's fine, but don't tell me I have no cause to be upset. My feelings as as valid as anyone elses.
That doesn't write-off when those aspects are dampened by that corporatism. Especially for a story like this.
