FFX -Eternal Cost- and FFX -Will- (SPOILERS)

[Strangelove]

it hints at it but doesn't outright say or show

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Like "Before going up on deck, Tidus helped her retie that big ol' bow on the back of her robes"?

 

[Strangelove]

she was actually wearing what sounds like a white mage robe on the boat

but iirc there was some mention of picking up clothes

 

[Ⓐaron]

so what, she did it with a white mage robe on? kinky

 

[Strangelove]

doing a bit of

sexual healing

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

"Inject life's energy! Reraise!"

 

[Ⓐaron]

life's energy isn't the only thing getting injected

 

[Hisako]

So in other words Nojima has finally caught up to what the H-doujins have probably been writing for the last 10 years or whatever

 

[Strangelove]

that 'have sex to make fayths' thing was partly true, in that it was one method featured in the novel but it isn't THE method to do so (and probably not what was going on with yevon's fayths)

but damn, nojima just have been a bit sexual frustrated writing this. go have a wank and then work on your novel next time, noj

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Any specifics as to how it works? Like, does it just "make" a statue appear or something? Obviously, it's meant to be a way to bypass the normal method of sacrificing someone close to the summoner to get a powerful aeon for them, but what happens? Do both summoners who do the fucking get a powerful aeon out of the deal?

 

[Strangelove]

i wrote this on my phone and then my phone ate it because it's a little shit

so here is the quickly rewritten one minus the extra stuff i had written because i need to have a bath and go outside

- there is a different between fayth as seen in ffx and an ancient method producing what was called a 獣芯 (juushin, roughly beast's core)
- with a fayth as the yevon temple produced them, the summoner could call only what the fayth decides. with a beast's core, it's potentially limitless what could be summoned
- this depends on the bond between the summoner and the person who would become the core. if the bond is weak then the summoner can only summon things they are very familiar with
- the state of the core was described as being 'half-alive, half-dead', but they don't seem to turn into a statue like in ffx. instead, they seem to solidify into a glass-like state over time but retain their human form. but it's still one person being sacrificed as with fayths in ffx
- there are other methods to make a core, but iirc as long as you reach the same mental state you possibly don't need to have sex?

Spoiler

otherwise イファーナル had sex with a bunch of people to make a load of lower-level cores

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Thanks, hito. You are my angel.

So, to make sure I follow you correctly, two summoners (?) can have sex as a means of reaching a bonded mental state in order to create a particular kind of fayth called a Beast Core. This isn't the only way for them to reach that mental union, but it is the quick and dirty way ().

One of the summoners (or the participant who isn't a summoner) will then become the Beast Core and slowly crystallize, but will retain their human form. As the Beast Core, they provide the summoner with the power to create pyreforms based on imagination rather than the strict blueprints of the fayth from FFX. If the Beast Core's bond with the summoner is strong, the summoner can create damn near anything. Otherwise, the summoner can only create a somewhat limited range of aeons, based on their own experiences.

Does that sound about right?

Also, is it required both parties be summoners or is that just what happened in that particular case? Early reports have indicated both parties have to be summoners.

Oh, and イファーナル? That is disturbingly close to イファルナ/Ifalna. What would you romanize that as? Ifarnalu? Ifarnaru? Ifalnalu? Ifalnaru?

What's your game here, Nojima?

 

[Strangelove]

quick mini response why i wait for bad singing to end

that sounds about right. we don't really see aeons in the novel, but replicas of actual things (think dream zanarkand). aeons would require a stronger bond, i think.

the beast core can be anyone (in the novel a summoner does become one, but also a lot of べドー&#12523.

i guess イファーナル had the same origin as イファルナ, that is the word ファイナル. i haven't really thought a lot on how it would be romanized. ifarnal? ifanar? who knows

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

You know, it never occurred to me that the katakana in "Ifalna" was an anagram of the katakana in "final." I'm slow sometimes.


Conspiracy theory time!

Ifarnal becomes Jenova and sets out to consume all worlds in a nihlistic quest triggered by losing her lover! And then forgets why she started destroying and becomes akin to a force of nature like Yu Yevon!




Yes, I just combined the plots of the first two games. No, I don't think that will happen. I hope not anyway.

 

[Strangelove]

イファーナル dies, so that seems unlikely

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

At least she got sex first.

EDIT: Or is that "he"?

 

[Strangelove]

also a he

 

[Kuja9001]

Thanks, hito. You are my angel.

So, to make sure I follow you correctly, two summoners (?) can have sex as a means of reaching a bonded mental state in order to create a particular kind of fayth called a Beast Core. This isn't the only way for them to reach that mental union, but it is the quick and dirty way ().

One of the summoners (or the participant who isn't a summoner) will then become the Beast Core and slowly crystallize, but will retain their human form. As the Beast Core, they provide the summoner with the power to create pyreforms based on imagination rather than the strict blueprints of the fayth from FFX. If the Beast Core's bond with the summoner is strong, the summoner can create damn near anything. Otherwise, the summoner can only create a somewhat limited range of aeons, based on their own experiences.

Does that sound about right?

Also, is it required both parties be summoners or is that just what happened in that particular case? Early reports have indicated both parties have to be summoners.

Oh, and イファーナル? That is disturbingly close to イファルナ/Ifalna. What would you romanize that as? Ifarnalu? Ifarnaru? Ifalnalu? Ifalnaru?

What's your game here, Nojima?

Ohhh That's interesting, so after boat sex Yuna gained the beast core thing and called Tidus back after the bomb incident and caused the farplane to screw up?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I like that theory! I hope that's what it is.

I'm also betting this Ifarnal is who Yuna meets on the island -- which itself I bet is something being summoned, probably by Ifarnal. I wonder if he's unsent or just lived this long because of crystallization?

 

[Strangelove]

i think boat sex was just boat sex

the island, which was besaid in the past, was summoned by ifarnal (who was on the island before the end of the war). ifarnal survived what happened on the island and lived to be 90-odd, but when he died became an unsent. yuna doesn't meet ifarnal on the island itself, but kushu who was another summoner and the one who became the core for ifarnal. although that wasn't the actual kushu, but rather a summoned form of her.

after tidus blows up (that doesn't sound real but it is a real thing that is actually in this book omg) ifarnal speaks to yuna and tells her how to bring tidus back.

other things this book decides are things now, unsents can have kids with humans

and yuna has a mole somewhere only tidus would know

know in a biblical sense, more like

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Interesting indeed. Thank you, hito, as always.

Are you almost done with the book? I hope it's not left a mystery how Yuna resurrected Tidus. It seems obvious that he's been "called" back like that shoopuf, Sin, etc.

Hmm. Wonder if Ifarnal told Yuna about the Beast Core thing, so she goes and gets laid so she can bring Tidus back that way. She could fuck anyone if she was just trying to summon something she's familar with (i.e. Tidus), yeah?

The unsent-can-have-kids-with-humans thing isn't all that surprising, really, given FFX's metaphysics and Spira's weakass Farplane.

It is funny that necrophilia of sorts ended up in the book after all, though.

 

[Kuja9001]

other things this book decides are things now, unsents can have kids with humans

How does that nonsense even work? If Yuna and Seymour had a kid, it would be part human, part guado, and part unsent what happens when the unsent portion gets sent?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

It's really not that strange when you think about it. Summoned people (e.g. Jecht and Tidus's mom) have DNA. Why wouldn't unsent? All of them are pyreforms (幻光&#20307 -- that is to say, composed of pyreflies.

Ask yourself if it's odd that fiends can reproduce. Same concept.

 

[Strangelove]

Are you almost done with the book?

i finished it a couple of days ago

i can't remember the specifics right now, but ifarnal does tell yuna about the old way of summoning. there is something about how if tidus realises what he is then that would have a detrimental effect on his existence (as in it might end). this also applies if he goes somewhere where there are lots of pyreflies.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

So... anywhere in Spira then? Cause seriously, there are pyreflies fucking everywhere in that place