Final Fantasy XV (was Versus XIII)

Tetsujin

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No, they're just random promo images. They've been doing these for a while.

Another example :wacky:

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Kuja9001

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Trainer Red said:
I got an email this morning that the Ultimate Edition was ready for preorder.


Guess who's getting the Ultimate Edition? :awesome: no regrets, no regrets. (I guess I gotta cancel my deluxe edition preorder.)
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The Twilight Mexican

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Sicarius VI said:
^You know it gets me slightly angry that it's 270$ and still doesn't come with everything i.e the SEASON PASS.

Maybe they'll change it since the release date was moved, or better yet include some of the aforementioned DLC in the base game.
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Why should it have everything?
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Aside from the name implying it (and that's not just our own faulty interpretation of what the word "ultimate" means; because it literally means "the best achievable of its kind"), it's also a steep price.

Now, you might think SE should be charging "way more" for what's already in the Ultimate Collector's Edition, but it doesn't add up to me. Disregarding for the moment that these things are coming as a bundle, which should lower the cost of each individual item (otherwise, why even buy/sell them as a bundle?) -- you're getting the main game ($60) + the "Kingsglaive" and "Brotherhood" Blu-rays (let's call this $25, which would be overselling them, to be honest, since "Brotherhood" is already available for free) + the Noctis Play Arts Kai figure (a ridiculous $130 sold by itself) + the artbook (this can't possibly be worth more than $40 when the hardback collector's edition guidebook retails for that at almost twice as many pages) + an incomplete soundtrack disc (we'll call this a generous $30, which, like the Blu-rays, is overselling it).

That's only like $285 right there. Throw in the few pieces of DLC that this does come with, and you can maybe (no, not really) argue another $15 in value to bring the package up to a nice round $300. And that's still pricing at least two (if not three) of these items at more than they're worth -- while also not taking into account that this is a bundle, which should lower the cost of everything further.

And even that's not taking into account that buying the UCE leaves you no way of getting "A King's Tale" (a GameStop-exclusive pre-order bonus) unless you want to pre-order an additional copy of the game from them on top of already purchasing the UCE. GameStop wasn't selling the UCE, so you couldn't get "A King's Tale" as a pre-order bonus for buying the UCE.

Now, if the season pass itself is only valued at $25 (which multiple sources say is the case) and we were to imagine "A King's Tale" would be worth another $15 (which is probably overselling it since we're talking about a free pre-order bonus of unknown length), it becomes very, very difficult to justify your assertion that SE should be charging "way more" for a misleadingly entitled "ultimate edition" of this thing.

More likely, $250 would be a more reasonable price for the UCE as it exists now, and $270 (the price as it exists now) would warrant including the season pass and "A King's Tale."

Hell, I'll even throw you a bone here and say let's make it $275.

Obviously, SE can charge whatever the hell they want for this thing (same as a cereal company is free when it strikes their fancy to bizarrely charge more per ounce for a cereal sold in the Family Size packaging than the same cereal sold in a smaller volume; the same way Warner can hilariously charge more for a bundle of "The Hobbit" and "The Lord of the Rings" movies than they're worth sold separately), but let's call a spade a spade: "Ultimate" entails that this includes everything, which it doesn't, while the price point is an "everything" price point.
 
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The Twilight Mexican said:
[Obviously, SE can charge whatever the hell they want for this thing (same as a cereal company is free when it strikes their fancy to bizarrely charge more per ounce for a cereal sold in the Family Size packaging than the same cereal sold in a smaller volume; the same way Warner can hilariously charge more for a bundle of "The Hobbit" and "The Lord of the Rings" movies than they're worth sold separately), but let's call a spade a spade: "Ultimate" entails that this includes everything, which it doesn't, while the price point is an "everything" price point.
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Not happening.
 
ForceStealer

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Strangelove said:
Lulcielid said:
Final Fantasy XV’s first half is open world, second half lead by a linear path
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2016/...open-world-second-half-lead-by-a-linear-path/
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It's the anti-FFXIII

The 'versus XIII' if you will
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Anyway, I'm okay with that news. The word “linear” has gained kind a confusing quality lately, especially with regard to FF. It’s begun to take on the meaning of “as opposed to open world.” Your Elder Scrolls’, your Fallouts, your GTAs. Where you can completely ignore the plot and stumble upon completely different experiences.

Final Fantasy was NEVER this. Final Fantasy is linear with pockets of exploration. FFXIII ran into trouble because it went beyond this into being effectively on-rails. I’m going to assume that this is not what they mean regarding XV, and rather refer to “FF-linear,” which I have no problem with.
 
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ForceStealer said:
Final Fantasy was NEVER this. Final Fantasy is linear with pockets of exploration. FFXIII ran into trouble because it went beyond this into being effectively on-rails. I’m going to assume that this is not what they mean regarding XV, and rather refer to “FF-linear,” which I have no problem with.
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I'm thinking it's not going to be straight on-rails linear by this line from the article:
If you play through the first half and only the main route of the second half,
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It talks about only the main route of the second half, so I assume you'll still be able to do side quests, backtrack to older areas, ect.
 
Tetsujin

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Flintlock said:
So not only does the UCE not include everything, but the DLC "season pass" isn't actually a season pass at all, just an initial bundle of six downloads.

Come the fuck on, Square Enix.
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I don't really get that complaint. They announced the season pass and exactly what DLC it would encompass. Anything beyond the planned DLC is at this point only theoretical anyway.
 
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And I don't really get why you're being so generous to them.

It is not unreasonable to expect that an ultimate edition contains everything - or at least, everything available at launch, as the DLC season pass will be. And it is not unreasonable to expect a DLC season pass to contain all future DLC. Otherwise, just call it a DLC bundle or something. If nothing else, it's a failure of marketing which will piss people off. And I don't think that's something Square Enix can afford to do.

I know I'm starting to sound a bit like
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but I really don't see why anyone should have to pay so much to get the full game. The trend towards multiple versions of the game and drip-drip DLC releases is much, much better for publishers than it is for consumers, and the only thing we can do about it is to stop supporting the business model.
 
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I'm always on the fence about DLC. My internet is pretty limited, and so are my funds right now. So I don't have the means to buy and download a lot of DLC at all.

On one hand, I love the idea of them creating more for a game I'll most likely enjoy a lot, but on the other, because it might be hard for me to get, I'm not really liking the idea that there'll be story DLC produced that I most likely won't get to play for a long while. :wacky:
I kind of wish they kept these in the background/unannounced until the actual game was released. As it is now, I'm hearing about story DLC that's already made and available to preorder before the game is even out. I'm sure these story things aren't essential to the main game, but still. :closedmonster:
 
Tetsujin

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Flintlock said:
And I don't really get why you're being so generous to them.

It is not unreasonable to expect that an ultimate edition contains everything - or at least, everything available at launch, as the DLC season pass will be. And it is not unreasonable to expect a DLC season pass to contain all future DLC.
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The term "Ultimate Edition" carries with it a certain expectation to actually be "ultimate".
The term "season pass" does not imo. And they communicated what exactly it would entail. I honestly prefer that over the practice of selling season passes where you won't even know what DLC they have planned.
And again, any DLC past the announced six items isn't even set in stone at this point.

As for me, I don't plan on purchasing the season pass or DLC when it comes out. If anything I'll get it as part of the inevitable PS5 definitive edition that includes all that stuff and actually looks as gorgeous as the initial trailers promised :awesome:
(if I even like FFXV well enough to double dip, that is)

Otherwise, just call it a DLC bundle or something.
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But it's not a bundle. A bundle is when you buy several items in one package. That's what you could buy once all the DLC is available.
You'll get these items as they are released one after another, that's what makes it a "season".
 
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Flintlock

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Tetsujin said:
As for me, I don't plan on purchasing the season pass or DLC when it comes out. If anything I'll get it as part of the inevitable PS5 definitive edition that includes all that stuff and actually looks as gorgeous as the initial trailers promised :awesome:
(if I even like FFXV well enough to double dip, that is)
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That's pretty much my plan too (or maybe I'll get it on PC) but it'll be my first dip, not a double dip. :P

I honestly don't feel hyped for this game. Like... at all. But I haven't really been hyped for any Final Fantasy game since X. As much as I love XII now, I went into it without knowing anything about it.

But it's not a bundle. A bundle is when you buy several items in one package. That's what you could buy once all the DLC is available.
You'll get these items as they are released one after another, that's what makes it a "season".
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That's your definition but it's not really that clear-cut. This PC Gamer article, for example, talks about the "Bioshock Infinite Season Pass, a three-pack DLC pre-order bundle". So it's both a season pass and a bundle.

I think it's fair to say that "season pass" usually means "all DLC". There are a few high-profile cases where it hasn't, but it's been generally received badly by players.
 
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