SPOILERS INTERmission Chapter 2 Spoiler Discussion

[KindOfBlue]

I like how Roche's appearance here made a lot if people hate him even more, but I loved ever second of it lol. I guess I'm a sucker for ham, and he brings it in spades.

Dude, I’m so confused about Roche lol like what’s there to hate that we didn’t already see in the main game?

 

[Eerie]

He was so glorious in French, couldn't stop laughing all my way through his dialogue If Max' theory that he's kind of going to turn as a good guy and we're going to see him wilt away is true though, his fate will be dark.

 

[Odysseus]

Dude, I’m so confused about Roche lol like what’s there to hate that we didn’t already see in the main game?

He acts even more flamboyantly than he did in chapter 4, which some people don't like I guess. I'm just happy FF7 has some comedic relief again. I love the idea of Roche being this silly joke rival for Cloud in future parts, especially if it means more motorcycle sections. I wouldn't even mind if he became a good guy later.

 

[Shademp]

Playing up Nero's image as a spider of darkness, but without actually showing his Arachnero form, was an excellent choice. Be careful not to get caught in his web...he likes to play with his food.

In DoC, Nero's darkness was primarily depicted as diffuse orbs and waves of energy. Changing his darkness in Remake to manifest more commonly as tendrils/tentacles, simultaneously making him more like an eldritch monstrosity and a spider, goes a long way to enhance the terror. It's like the difference between the terror of a black hole versus a black hole who is also a giant, tentacled spider.

 

[Shademp]

But Nero, what about these classic Teams/Units from the online mode?

DOLCE & GABBANA​

new heppokodann​

Team_2ch​

DESTINY​

ENDLESS WAR​

CRIMSON'BULLET'​

FlyingColumnPhalanx​

SINRA​

Penetrater​

Handsome persons​

team sky​

Nero will be so devastated when he learns about "Handsome persons" and the fact he wasn't allowed to join.

/jk

 

[Odysseus]

Wow. That's a joke literally only you could have made lol.

There's a group of mid-30's Japanese men that sneeze every time you bring up their Dirge online teams, Shademp.

 

[Tetsujin]

Roche just casually hamming it up in sector 7 and making dramatic theatrical gestures at no one in particular while also being up for a round of board game shenanigans only made him more endearing to me imo lol
What an absolute weirdo

No way this guy doesn't turn face at some point.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Going back a bit to apple's post here-

But than what was Aerith's line about of suddenly having a weird feeling and than a moment later we are shown Zack how he is looking for her? (Also did anyone else realized that there seems to be some kind of connection happening between Aerith and Zack everytime it rains? First in Crisis Core...

Yeah, this is interesting. Once or twice I might have put down to mere coincidence but I can think of at least four scenes that involve sky in someway now.

The post that mentions Zack (sky), Aerith (water), Cloud (cloud) too ... I remember a fair bit of speculation that Hollow might be about Cloud, Aerith, Zack. Interesting.

 

[Eerie]

Hollow is definitely about those whom Cloud lost or will lose so himself, Zack and Aerith ? it seems the most logical, but I wouldn’t say that one lyric fits one or another, I think it’s more a general feeling that the song conveys.

 

[a_apple 2.0]

Some more thoughts about the ending
First of all people on twitter pointed out that Zack's buster sword is really fucking rusty just compare it to Cloud's, so that's sus (...also no materia)

Secondly I really think that Aerith's line at the end were directly connected to Zack.
The dlc ending feels super weird. For some reason the devs decided to remake the actual ending of part one. Same sky, the sudden rain and Aerith sensing Zack, while she also seems to be kinda uneasy. Which is a very strange decision since it's a bit cheap to redo a ending you just did for your main game. So that probably means the devs are trying to highlight something here imo. I think it's the connection between people that seems to happen when water is involved. this is also something that happens pretty often through out the compilation.
We saw it in CC when Zack was about to die
We saw it in AC between Aerith and Cloud and between her and Tifa in the airship
We saw it in the ending of the remake between Aerith and Zack
AND between Barret and Marlene. When she is watering flowers, there is a special focus on a water drop after that it's like she hearing her dad's voice, just for the game to cut to Barret who is literally calling out to her.
If you look at the scene it seems like both these moments are happening at the same time. And I think the same goes for Zack and Aerith. It starts to rain and suddenly Aerith is feeling uneasy cut to a very nervous Zack. So that would mean these scenes are simultaneously happening which seems to be a bit of a problem since it looks like when the team arrives at Kalm it's already getting dark while the Zack scene seems to happen wen it's still bright outside, but if you look at the sky when the team arrives at Kalm you realize it's literally the same color/brightness from before (the remake ending), but if you look back at the DLC ending, before the team hitchhikes it's super bright outside which means it couldn't have been evening when they started their journey, it just looked like that because of the rain and clouds. The same thing is happening again in the DLC ending, it looks like it's evening but actually it's probably more like noon.

Leaving Midgar


Some time later the same day


Again some time later
so it's probably just has been a couple of hours since they left Midgar

 

[KindOfBlue]

The water represents the throngs of people thirsty for Cloud to break their limits

 

[Obsidian Fire]

I'm surprised it took someone so long to bring up how ridiculous it is to be having these "timeline AU" discussions in regards to FF7 btw.

I brought this up all the way back when we found out what the Enemy Descriptions of the Whispers were when Remake first released. And how EoCroth reminded me a lot of Ultimacia, which he still does. It is still a bit bonkers 6o me that FFVII had time-travel added to it out of nowhere after all these years, but well... here we are.

It is kinda funny how large parts of what would be FF8 and FF10 can be traced back the FF7 early material files. They just had some details tweaked. That FF8 focused so much on time-travel... maybe they had always planned for a time-travel plot in FF7 and just never got to work it into the OG like a lot of other things... and so they're now adding it back in? I'm half-way kidding, but with NKN, you never know.

I would much rather have literary discussions about Remake than world-building discisions, but it seems people would rather talk about potential world-building we don't know yet. Rather than oh... character and narrative arcs we've know for a very long time and even have developer commentary about. That's the kind of stuff you can do with Remake that doesn't depend on world-building to get some sense of direction about where the plot could likely go.

 

[eleamaya]

First of all people on twitter pointed out that Zack's buster sword is really fucking rusty just compare it to Cloud's, so that's sus (...also no materia)

Just the same rust, bro.
You better compare CGI to CGI not in game model.

 

[a_apple 2.0]

Just the same rust, bro.
You better compare CGI to CGI not in game model.

Yeah agree, that's pretty much the same

 

[Tetsujin]

Angeal is pissed

 

[Odysseus]

He's the super boss of part 2, like Weiss. Chadley uses his postmortem rage about the poor treatment of his sword to digitally synthesize him and allow him to exact his revenge.

 

[KindOfBlue]

Rather than oh... character and narrative arcs we've know for a very long time and even have developer commentary about.

Twitter be like
Character discussion = this character is hot
Narrative discussion = my ship is best and you’re stupid

 

[Obsidian Fire]

Twitter be like
Character discussion = this character is hot
Narrative discussion = my ship is best and you’re stupid

Fortunately, we are a forum!

 

[eleamaya]

You guys are mean.
Just lemme fangirling over Sonon.
He's a hot daddy.

EDIT: I see fanart about Nero x Sonon pairing already lol

 

[KindOfBlue]

You guys are mean.
Just lemme fangirling over Sonon.
He's a hot daddy.

Hot daddies sure have a funny way of suffering horrible deaths and injuries in this universe if you SOBs lay another finger on Barret, I swear to Christ you will feel my wrath

 

[eleamaya]

Hot daddies sure have a funny way of suffering horrible deaths and injuries in this universe if you SOBs lay another finger on Barret, I swear to Christ you will feel my wrath

You dont understand.
I'm sucker for chara death lol.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Just had a thought, forgot if already mentioned, but what if Zack goes to the Shinra building to rescue Aerith, if in same timeline as party he finds her already gone, the amount of time taken on this might delay his catching up to the party some, and then if he doesn't use transport it'll take him a full day to get to Kalm? If different timeline he rescues Aerith instead, but he might also have a Cloud with him?, wild

 

[Odysseus]

So like, Cait Sith an Yuffie are doing the same action (fall to knees) at nearly the same time in nearly the same place as the plate falls. You think she like, saw the bipedal cat abomination standing a few feet away right after the cutscene?

 

[Alex Strife]

My headcanon is that Cait Sith was merely a placeholder for Yuffie

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Seeing as they are clearly not afraid of Dirge of Cerberus material, I wonder if they're going to take the opportunity to patch up the biggest plot hole with that game in regards to the original.

Hojo's plan to steal Weiss' body and become a vessel for Omega is initiated upon him seeing Vincent turn into Chaos and realizing Lucrecia's thesis was true. He expressly credits this as the reason he chose to inject himself with Jenova cells at the Mako cannon. The problem is... there's no point in the game before the mako cannon where he could possibly have seen Vincent do that.

Since Chaos has been more strongly tied to Vincent in Dirge, I wonder if he'll be able to transform into chaos when under duress (not as a proper limit break until later) and Hojo will put him into such a situation in a new scene and see it happen. The VR boss in the Yuffie DLC and the cutscene after you beat Weiss seem to imply he's already messing around with some of these ideas.

My bet remains that this scene where Hojo sees Vincent transform into Chaos will happen at the Northern Crater in the minutes before, during or after The Reunion takes place. Vincent is there and so is Hojo. Perhaps Vincent ends up unwillingly transforming into Chaos, due to this form resonating with the awakening of the other Weapon at the Northern Crater. This could happen when everybody is escaping to the Highwind, right after Cloud has given the Black Materia to Sephiroth.

Alternately, the Shin-Ra execs are shown flying in on the Highwind right before the time of the fight with Jenova-DEATH in the original, so that could easily be when Hojo would have seen Vincent transform into Chaos.

Tbh the ending was pretty bad. The entire dlc leads up to Yuffie having her naive world view shattered (which then happens) just for the game to skip the actual meat of the matter where Yuffie overcomes her grief and grows from her journey. She goes from traumatized and devastated to composed and hopeful again. The story is 5 hours of setup with no pay off which is confusing to me

Eh, I don't see it that way. Yuffie suppressing her feelings for now (to get upset about them later) and carrying on is the payoff.

Incidently, the one place that goes into Aerith in the Lifestream in detail, Case of Lifestream - White, never has Aerith raising the Lifestream to push back Meteor. Even though Case of Lifestream - Black goes into Sephiroth trying to protect Meteor from the rest of the Lifestream. The OG is very vague on if Aerith actually *is* controlling the Lifestream at the end also. So there's room to think that Aerith might not have had anything to do with the end of the OG at all and it was the Lifestream acting independently of her that was acting against Meteor.

Her 10th Anniversary Ultimania profile says she controlled it, though.

The DoC stuff was definitely fan service

DoC stuff was ... fan service

Today in "Sentences You'd Never Have Imagined Could Be Real One Year Ago" ...

The real Lifestream was the friends we made along the way

Well ... yes. Exactly right.