Lol nah bruh. To quote you, "you're putting words in my mouth. Please don't do that."
I gave up trying to have an honest, civil discussion with you months ago, dude. I'd tell you to not even bother responding to this, but at this point I know you well enough to know you can't not say something. You are straight-up obsessed, to the point you drive others off. When you were "away" for 6 weeks, you should have taken that opportunity to reflect on what led up to it, and how you might change future interactions to avoid a repeat. It's apparent that you haven't. So forgive me if I disregard anything you spew at me. Or don't, I really don't care either way. Go ahead and work yourself into a frothing rage, but the only one who suffers is you.
But seriously, your argument doesn't make any sense. You could count the number of seconds Jessie and Cloud flirted prior to the Seventh Heaven scene. Making it so that you'd want to give Jessie the flower would take away from the way the scene as presented is designed and written. It was made to showcase Tifa and Marlene. You don't need to be a fan of the character or obsessed to know that.
Wrong. They had a number of interactions, and if you paid attention, you'd have seen he gave her a faint little smile after she gave him the materia. Watch how his mouth moves from his typical expressionless frown to having the corners slightly turned up for a moment. It's small, but it's there. The beginnings of a connection. Also, he could've easily swatted her arm away when she put her finger on his mouth, but he didn't. He let her do it and didn't force her off him. And there could've been two alternate arrival scenes, one for if he held onto the flower and one for if he let Jessie have it on the train. The point is that letting us have that option gives us the choice, lets us decide how to proceed. And gives us the opportunity to do something new, something we couldn't before. The games's name is FFVII Remake, not Every Scene Must Be Cloti.
Trust me, I know what you mean. I'm saying that going to the effort of designing models/clothing for a character who appears in one scene and won't be reused anywhere is counter to the development/design philosophy the dev team was going for.
You don't know it wouldn't be reused. You're simply assuming. It could've been used again if Jessie were to get a Gold Saucer date of her own, for the play - which as an actual actress, would be a much different experience for Cloud do it with her than with the others.
Nothing in the story is better served by a pointless flashback showing things that were summarized in a few sentences, and frankly, weren't all that critical to her behaviour in the game to begin with.
It's not pointless. Showing what happened is more impactful than simply telling it. Or should we not have seen the devastation in Sector 8 and only heard about it secondhand? There's a clear difference. And it did affect her behavior, as Nojima pointed out. He designed her with the mannerisms of an actress. Showing her past and what happened (at least as far as her hearing about her dad's accident while she's working as an actress) would have only added to her character. And there are many who want to see that.
Again, that's an entire sequence, gameplay area, lines/models designed for a scene that's going to be... what, 30 seconds? A minute? For a sequence involving an area that doesn't show up until later in the series (of remake installments), is a critical area and may not even have been designed yet?
As I said, only a part of an area, not the entire thing. But you wouldn't have a problem with it if it was for Tifa. They showed Nibelheim in a short flashback, so what makes a single part of the Gold Saucer any different?
It doesn't matter to me who does or doesn't get the spotlight in a game. Some of my favourite moments in video games have involved side characters doing cool or unexpected things.
Then show me by not arguing against any idea or attempt to give Jessie more attention.
You have a character (Jessie) who had so much additional content made for her that people seriously consider her to be a better love interest for the main character than the "official pairings", which is no small feat, but you're like the kid at Christmas who got a new car and screams that it wasn't the exact shade of blue that he wanted.
I like what we were given, I just see the potential for what wasn't and what could still be. And people like you here constantly harping on me for my view instead of leaving it alone seem to want to take that away from her and not even consider what could be possible.
People here had the same reaction when I announced I was making pictures of that cursed ship lol
I'm making a full comic featuring eye nipples, tentacles, decapitation porn and more.
Jenova is versatile like that.
Weren't you writing about that? Man, I don't have much free time these days but I plan on reading it.
But it's so long I don't know when I'll be able to do it....
People here had the same reaction when I announced I was making pictures of that cursed ship lol
I'm making a full comic featuring eye nipples, tentacles, decapitation porn and more.
Jenova is versatile like that.
Like a minute of screentime is devoted to that, if that. Not worth the effort of placing an extra scene in. You know what? I'm going to write to Nojima and tell him to put twice the amount of Tifa scenes in
and some for my secret best girl Aerith
just to spite Jessie.
Watch how his mouth moves from his typical expressionless frown to having the corners slightly turned up for a moment. It's small, but it's there. The beginnings of a connection.
Mildly bemused was his expression, I'd say. Turns out I can headcanon that he just might have been slightly annoyed by her, and rather than tell her to her face, he pretended to be amused so she'd get out of his way.
The point is that letting us have that option gives us the choice, lets us decide how to proceed. And gives us the opportunity to do something new, something we couldn't before. The games's name is FFVII Remake, not Every Scene Must Be Cloti.
You don't know it wouldn't be reused. You're simply assuming. It could've been used again if Jessie were to get a Gold Saucer date of her own, for the play - which as an actual actress, would be a much different experience for Cloud do it with her than with the others.
Yes, I am assuming... which is still more reasonable than creating entire fanfics out of a handful of moments and passing it off as the headcanon everyone else should use.
Where else would they use it? Wall Market? In what context? If it's play-specific, then it won't end up anywhere else. If it's a question of resources, it makes more sense for the designers to relegate it to a couple of lines of dialogue rather than force manpower/time to create something for little discernible benefit.
As I said, only a part of an area, not the entire thing. But you wouldn't have a problem with it if it was for Tifa. They showed Nibelheim in a short flashback, so what makes a single part of the Gold Saucer any different?
If it was a one-off scene with an intended flashback that would have been better communicated through a couple lines of dialogue, I'd be all for it, regardless of what character it was used for.
Nibelheim also shows up in more than one flashback and ties in directly with two of the lead characters. It's also established far earlier to give greater context to the connection between those two characters. Far different than a side character that has to act in gameplay assets that most likely won't be used again.
Then show me by not arguing against any idea or attempt to give Jessie more attention.
I'll do the opposite. I will write to Nojima and convince him to double (yes, double) the amount of screentime Tifa has. Not only that, but I will specifically ask him to create three more dresses for Tifa, just to spite Jessie.
Jessie is gone. That's it. No more. Finito. Finished. Kaput. Ended. No more easy smile. Gone to the Great Lifestream in the Sky. There is no future for both of you. No three kids and the picket fence. No dinner date at Seventh Heaven. No more heavy flirting. No pizza dates. No growing old and watching the sunsets together. No twilight years. No grandkids. No riding into the sunset together. The glove? A red herring. The smile? Vanished like tears in rain.
You are Don Quixote running against windmills, except the windmill represents Jessie and instead of simply swatting Quixote back, the windmill exploded spectacularly. That's how ridiculous this conversation has boiled down to.
Member was warned for disregarding a clear warning to stop this discussion
I was just about to ask for that, Tres, as I'm getting tired of it. But I'd like to say just one thing, if I may, and then I'll leave it. Crazyrabbit, it's not for certain that Jessie's dead. Her glove on the dresser is a clear hint at the possibility that she's alive. It adds nothing to the scene if she isn't. Biggs was supposed to die according to the OG, but he didn't. What the whispers did in his case was undone with their defeat. So it's possible that the same happened with Jessie. Remember, the camera didn't show the other half of the room, what was on the other side of the dresser. You can get a glimpse of it during the pan over to Biggs, just a hint of something that might be another bed or a chair.
It's not clear enough to tell for sure, but it's possible that she might've been over there recuperating as well. And as the most fleshed-out and most popular member of the trio, it makes sense to keep her survival quiet for the time being to keep people talking and give them yet another reason to anticipate Part 2. The pan across from the glove to Biggs isn't long enough for any reaction other than thinking of Jessie, seeing Biggs alive, and wondering what that might mean for her. SE knew full well what putting it there would make people think. They knew people would take it as a hint that she's still alive, that her fate was changed - and as part of the theme of the remake is "defying fate", there's no reason to think her own couldn't be changed as well. As for the menu entry,
it also says in the Chapter 14 summary that "friends" have been lost. Plural. But the only named friends supposedly lost at the point were Biggs and Jessie. And as we know that Biggs is alive, that means that the summary was inaccurate or only meant to convey what Cloud and the others knew at the time. Thus, the menu entry about Jessie can be taken to be merely an observation from their point of view, because they believe they lost her. But it's possible that, like Biggs, she's alive. But since they didn't know that at that point, only knowing what they saw, the summary says what it does. Even though they still went back to find them, meaning they thought even after the pillar that there was a chance they were alive and could be saved. And as their later assumption that Biggs was dead was wrong, so the same can be true of Jessie.
That's all I wanted to say. I don't want to argue about this stuff anymore.
