Kingdom Hearts

haichinamie

haichinamie

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[quote author=The Notorious M.O.G. link=topic=144.msg5389#msg5389 date=1230949474]
Kingdom Hearts got really convoluted and weird somewhere between Chain of Memories and the end of KKII. I like it better when it was just Final Fantasy characters with Mickey Mouse.
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I abhor the way that they are trying to make the story deeper with that prequel. I think I started getting pissed off at the storyline around Chain of Memories actually. What a horrible battle system too. >:(

I can't imagine what they'll come up with for KH3. I can't think of anything interesting. It better not be as easy as KH2 and actually have villains that aren't Organization XIII.
 
Arianna

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[quote author=Vampire Hunter D link=topic=144.msg10782#msg10782 date=1232766638]
Yeah, the issue with KH2 does seem to be that they were working off KH:CoM and didn't bring in the gamers who weren't in the loop about that. Some of us just didn't get the game and were thrown for a loop when we learned all the crazy shit that was happening.
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Well, in the first Kingdom Hearts, I did not fully understand everything - but I got the gist of the game and the general storyline.

To paraphrase: A threat was attacking all sorts of worlds, Sora's home being one, and he wanted to get back home; in order to find his friends, and a king he knew nothing about, he had to travel to different worlds with Goofy and Donald. He was also chosen by this mysterious large key that was to be used as a sword (or sword that was in the shape of a huge key?). In the end, the one in charge of all the forces attacking every world was faced off and defeated...

Some of the details I didn't get, like still being separated from his world/friends, not finding this king, as well as how and why Sora separated to become a heartless/nobody after fighting Riku!Ansem/Xehanort is beyond me.

Further, I thought Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories was just a retelling/reformat of Kingdom Hearts with a different title for the Gameboy or another Nintendo system. Or, that's what I heard. I am mistaken, after reading and watching YouTube videos about such.

I think Organization XIII is an interesting addition to the story, but they should've been introduced somewhere and somehow in the first game. *shrug* When I got to the part in the journal where different Org members (who were dead) were introduced, I asking where, how, and when did I miss this?!

Right now, I had to take a break from Kingdom Hearts. I left off where I said I was last - about to go to the Colleseum for the second time in the story.
 
Suzaku

Suzaku

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Chain of Memories is basically a retelling of KH1 with interludes between worlds that tell a sub-story and sets up the plot for KH2.

It's really not terribly vital to play it, outside of its internal plot, you really only learn that Sora's memories got messed up by Namine and now he needs to be kept in a pod while she puts them back together, and that Riku's still got Ansem deep inside him and has joined together with Mickey. Both of which are explained in KH2.


I honestly prefer KH2. I personally enjoy the battle system and the reaction commands, though they made the reaction commands a bit too easy (forcing proper timing would've made a big difference). Yeah, there was a lot of mashing involved, and it could be pretty easy, but I had fun playing it.

The original KH really had a lot of platformer elements, which were almost completely dropped in KH2. I'm a big fan of platformers, but I don't think the controls and camera were really properly adjusted for it. I remember falling off platforms quite frequently in the original and having to reclimb.

Story wise, despite getting a bit convoluted at times, I think KH2 stood on its own a lot better. It developed more unique lore, more unique characters, backstory, and worlds, whereas the original was mostly a matter of chasing Riku through Disney stories.

I'm looking forward to Birth by Sleep, but 358/2 Days just smacks of being made for a very specific group of fans. As much as I liked Roxas, I'm really not sure if I'll be able to stomach the overt overtures to yaoi fangirls that I'm sure will litter the game.
 
Makoeyes987

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I'm really starting to wonder what'll happen when they run out of negative "reverse" villains for each of the prominent Kingdom Hearts elements?

First there were the "Heartless" which represented lost hearts.

Then there were "Nobodies" which represented lost bodies.

And now...there are the "Unbirth" which represent lost life in Birth by Sleep.

I'm wondering what they are. Are Unbirths like the undead? That'd actually be kinda cool. :duhard:

 
Nocturne

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or the unbirth could be like, people who died way before their time. OR instead of being born, they died in the process.
 
Suzaku

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I always assumed the Unbirth were the answer to the question proposed in the Reports about the three main components of life: Heart, Soul, and Body. Hearts become Heartless, Bodies become Nobodies. When the Soul is lost, the life ends.

Theorizing about KH never leads anywhere useful so I don't even bother anymore. I will note that the keyblades used by Riku, Master Xehanort, and his Apprentice all have the same Souleater eye design on them, and that in the BBS secret ending, Xehanort's keyblade turns into a glowing energy eyeball which he seemingly uses to open Kingdom Hearts.
 
ForceStealer

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I still don't understand why the Heartless actually have (stolen) hearts but no bodies while Nobodies have bodies but no hearts...completely backwards...

I know the real reason is because they didn't plan ahead and invented Nobodies later, but still, confusing...
 
Suzaku

Suzaku

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DiZ is the one who named them Nobodies, and he notes the irony of the name in one of the Other Ansem Reports.

Nobody doesn't literally mean "no body", it refers to their "non-existance".
 
Sprites

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I'm really looking forward to 358/2 days but I think Birth By Sleep is the one I really want to play, I'm hoping they'll release more information on that soon,

Trailer for English 358/2 days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jreUl6er1oY
Can't wait, its not too long before its out now, sadly though it was the last role that Wayne Allwine had as the voice of Mickey before he died :(

I've been a massive fan of The KH series for ages now and I'm really happy there's a couple of spin offs on the way, but you do have to wonder how much more they can get out of KH unless they want the story to get really stale. Honestly I think its probably got one more game available (KH3) and then I think thats it.
 
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Max Payne

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So, are those the Organization members before becoming nobodies in the trailer?
 
Emma

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In the first video? I think the two guys at 4 minutes (in this video) are two of the Organization Thirteen members, but I didn't see any others...

What if Ventus is Roxas before he becomes a Nobody and at the end of this game, he becomes a Nodbody?
 
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Dashell

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Dark and Divine said:
Indeed , those are Xaldin's and Laexeus's real selfs.

And the blonde man at 3:52 is Vexen's real persona.
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OMFG WHERE WHERE WHERE? *Vexen fangirl*

wait they look exactly the same. Aren't they supposed to look different?

Even, I demand you look different :rage:
 
Emma

Emma

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I'm not sure who Vexen is, but I know I knew the first two :D

This game is going to be so good, I can tell ;) I'm glad I at least have a dead PSP in the fixers. Since this game is coming out in 2010 for Japan, does that mean we get it in 2011? I don't think I can wait that long! >.<

If we can select characters, I will defiantly play as Aqua first, and then Ventus and Terra.
 
Dashell

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I lost alot of interest when I saw Not-Roxas. I fucking hate that guy... geeze..

but what about the other Org members? Will they be in this? I kind of hope not, I'd like to keep Demyx's past a secret. If it turns out he was really a good guy then I'll feel even MORE sorry for him. If it turns out he was a bad guy... then I just would feel bad that I don't know my Demyx that well :(
 
Dashell

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No, no more to do with Roxas. I just hate how the games want us to feel SOOOOO bad for him... HE'S THE ONLY FUCKING ORG MEMBER WHO GOT A HAPPY ENDING :rage:

Demyx and Axel deserved happy endings too and Vexen got really screwed over. Where's their happy endings?... :(
 
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Alessa Gillespie

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Quexinos said:
No, no more to do with Roxas. I just hate how the games want us to feel SOOOOO bad for him... HE'S THE ONLY FUCKING ORG MEMBER WHO GOT A HAPPY ENDING :rage:

Demyx and Axel deserved happy endings too and Vexen got really screwed over. Where's there happy endings?... :(
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