Kitase would consider FFVII-2

[ForceStealer]

Just to make it clear, I don't want Sephiroth back, I got bored of him as a character 12 years ago. I'm just thinking in terms of making the compilation have some cohesion.

Well, it doesn't seem like you want a sequel in the first place. I'm disputing that it "wouldn't really be an FF7 sequel" without him. He'll be mentioned, certainly, and whatever events that are transpiring could very well be because of his actions. I just don't think they would - or even should - bring Sephiroth back again to make a successful sequel.

We complain about SE not communicating with its fans all the time. I find it very hard to believe that "what fangirls want" enters into any of this.

 

[Octo]

Well, it doesn't seem like you want a sequel in the first place. I'm disputing that it "wouldn't really be an FF7 sequel" without him.

Well I exist in a kind of limbo...

I do want a sequel because I have a strong interest in many of the characters

but I don't trust SE to fuck it up.


I don't think Sephiroth would have to be revived in the sense he was in AC, with a big fightscene that bores my pants off.

I do think that whatever happened in a sequel (film or game) Sephiroth would have to play a big part. This could be through the lifestream or dreams or whatever.

The world would not have to be in peril, it could just be about the core characters, the WRO, what happens to the remains of Shinra etc. There would still be action of course, but it wouldn't be the main focus....hell, they could even have each character having their own chapter that interweaves with everyone else (I'm assuming the old game mechanics would be done away with here of course)

I'm not getting paid to come up with a plot but I do think there is a lot to be explored here, and if SE can hold off on the staged set pieces for once, be a little brave in their approach, I think they could make a really satisfying conclusion to FFVII.

We complain about SE not communicating with its fans all the time. I find it very hard to believe that "what fangirls want" enters into any of this.

I don't think they got a focus group together or anything, but they can't have not noticed the fandom. Its all over the internets.

I can't say definitively that they thought 'oh the fans like this so we better put it in' but in the scheme of things Rufus and the Turks we're minor characters, as far as FFVII was concerned Rufus was dead and the Turks had all gone AWOL. End of Story. There was no real reason to include them. This is why I suspect they were aware of it.

Plus we already agreed that AC was fanservice

 

[ForceStealer]

The world would not have to be in peril, it could just be about the core characters, the WRO, what happens to the remains of Shinra etc. There would still be action of course, but it wouldn't be the main focus....hell, they could even have each character having their own chapter that interweaves with everyone else (I'm assuming the old game mechanics would be done away with here of course)

I'm not getting paid to come up with a plot but I do think there is a lot to be explored here, and if SE can hold off on the staged set pieces for once, be a little brave in their approach, I think they could make a really satisfying conclusion to FFVII.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but this post sounds contrary to everything you've said thus far in the thread

 

[Cat Rage Room]

There would still be action of course, but it wouldn't be the main focus....hell, they could even have each character having their own chapter that interweaves with everyone else (I'm assuming the old game mechanics would be done away with here of course)

That sounds less like a fun finale game, and more of like, a novella or something. A finale better have some shit blowing the fuck up and some Materia and Limit Breaks and shit. Considering the standard the original game set, an actionless FFVII finale would get massacred.

 

[Max Payne]

I'm going to have to agree on Octo on this, at least in principle. After waiting so long it would be absolutely underwheling for a sequel, and a wrap up, to feature 'Cloud's Adventure's in Cleaning Up The Elfadunk Problem' or some bullshit like that. While yeah, the world almost being destroyed is getting a bit old, the final game, as in, for the big cojones, has to be something big, I think. Something world changing. A political turnover in how Gaia operates, Genesis trying to fuck some shit up, a mass revolution, something.

I mean, end it with some sort of bang, and then end it for good.

Eh. Every story doesn't have to be about the end of the world. A threat doesn't necessarily mean a threat to the entire planet.

 

[Octo]

Remember the bit I said about difficulty arranging my thoughts? That.

I used words like epic and spectacular, and that obviously conjures up 'the end of the world' when I really meant in terms of a satisfying conclusion, that we can say goodbye to these characters with a smile in our faces and a song in our hearts and *pukes*

I don't know if there is a right word for what I mean.

 

[Cat Rage Room]

Eh. Every story doesn't have to be about the end of the world. A threat doesn't necessarily mean a threat to the entire planet.

Huh, that's what I'm saying. What you quoted is pretty much what you stated.

 

[Max Payne]

Huh, that's what I'm saying. What you quoted is pretty much what you stated.

I know

 

[Octo]

That sounds less like a fun finale game, and more of like, a novella or something. A finale better have some shit blowing the fuck up and some Materia and Limit Breaks and shit. Considering the standard the original game set, an actionless FFVII finale would get massacred.

I'm just thinking aloud here. By 'chapters' I meant you wouldn't always be playing as Cloud.

Shit could get fucked up too of course. What I am trying to say is that the story should dictate the action and not the other way around.

 

[ForceStealer]

...But who was saying they didn't want an active satisfying conclusion, mog?

You said you agreed with this:

I am of the opinion that you can only go bigger with these things.

I'm not sure how else it could get BIGGER than almost destroying the world twice besides destroying all existence or something. The phrase doesn't imply a political shakeup on the Planet.

 

[Octo]

No what I meant by 'bigger' was actually 'deeper' and more resonant and.....

...Ok... I'll come clean.

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I want out! ;_;

 

[Max Payne]

I'd prefer the an approach like the Witcher 2's huge focus on human drama and not on only grand scale end of the world scenarios.

You can have wars, famine, and all kinds of issues to deal with that make a story compelling, without going into the ridiculous.

 

[ForceStealer]

^

No what I meant by 'bigger' was actually 'deeper' and more resonant and.....

...Ok... I'll come clean.

I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about. I want out! ;_;

What you meant is irrelevant as Mog said he agreed with what you wrote.

 

[Octo]

I'd prefer the an approach like the Witcher 2's huge focus on human drama and not on only grand scale end of the world scenarios.

You can have wars, famine, and all kinds of issues to deal with that make a story compelling, without going into the ridiculous.

This! this is what I was trying to get at!

What you meant is irrelevant as Mog said he agreed with what you wrote.

I got away with it?! For real?

Spoiler

 

[Cat Rage Room]

What you meant is irrelevant as Mog said he agreed with what you wrote.

*throws up hands*

 

[Max Payne]

*throws up hands*

 

[Octo]

Well, this is awkward... what happens now?

 

[looneymoon]

Next compilation entry: Final Fantasy 7 and the Deathly Hallows

You're a horcrux, Cloud!

For neither can live while the other survives...

 

[Roger]

About Sephiroth, I think Dissidia best conveyed the thought behind his ability to return. "I'll return as long as you remain the man you are now." I think the whole sappy sequence after Sephiroth delivered the "I'll never be a memory", was supposed to show us that Cloud finally was't that guy anymore (even if we don't agree with Cloud's characterisation in Dissidia and AC being particularly typical of him at all, but that's another problem to be blamed on the SE writers.)

 

[Masamune]

As much as we love to bash S-E, me as well, it's really getting to the point that they can't get any better and rise up to being respectable again if we assume they're going to make a bad game no matter what.

They're shit right now because of several bad business, development, marketing, and logistical decisions. The planets didn't align nor did some god mandate that Square Enix is going to suck dick until the end of time and there's nothing that anything can do about it. There's nothing really special about S-E in the fact that they used to make stuff that everyone likes, and now, not so much. There's nothing stopping them from making good games again, but if we constantly assume the worst and that they can do no better no matter what, I mean, damn dude, what do you expect?

It's statistically likely based on past evidence that another entry will be crap. I get that. However, it's not certainly inevitable and based on that alone, they deserve a shot to wrap up their own franchise.

I'm not necessarily saying they should cancel the Compilation, but you were suggesting it would be some kind of lunacy, when that frankly isn't true. Plenty of projects get canned half-way through, some less deservedly than others. And like I said, there's only Genesis' throwaway line hinting at more to come. It's not like you can argue there's already too much at stake to bail out now.

Squenix need to prove they can make a decent RPG again before they even think of touching a FFVII sequel.

 

[Anna825]

I think Kitase is talking through his teeth, and I think he just likes to yank all of our chains with the "Square is still interested in the Compiliation" crap.

I'm so sick of hearing that Square Enix is "interested" but not prepared to make such an investment at this time. Ugh.

It really irritates me that they can't just remake Final Fantasy--whether its good or not, its a foolproof way for Square to make money.

Its like, if I said "Hey, push this button and you'll win a million dollars", and you say "Well I'd love to win a million dollars, but I'll have to conduct a survey and do some research before I consider putting forth the effort to push that button".

Its really not that hard--they have a masterpiece, and all they have to do is remake it and not screw up too badly.

Why even risk making a Final Fantasy VII-2, when they can just redo the original and forgo any creative revision?

Tetsuya Nomura will rot in hell if he doesn't give his life-long fans a good closure to the Compiliation that made his sorry ass famous.

 

[Lord Noctis]

Tetsuya Nomura will rot in hell if he doesn't give his life-long fans a good closure to the Compiliation that made his sorry ass famous.

Uh, why?

Kitase is the one responsible for the vast majority of the compilation. Nomura is only really responsible for AC/C.

 

[Masamune]

Its really not that hard--they have a masterpiece, and all they have to do is remake it and not screw up too badly.

They've done a fine job of screwing it up already, without remaking it.

Also, what's the point of a cosmetic remake? Where would be the fun in that? The original game is not without its flaws, and you would hope a remake would create a more coherent experience whilst innovating the battle system. If they could do that, whilst remaining true to the original's legacy, we'd have a game on our hands.

 

[Anna825]

They've done a fine job of screwing it up already, without remaking it.

Also, what's the point of a cosmetic remake? Where would be the fun in that? The original game is not without its flaws, and you would hope a remake would create a more coherent experience whilst innovating the battle system. If they could do that, whilst remaining true to the original's legacy, we'd have a game on our hands.

Right. Exactly like that. All im saying is that Square Enixhas been fearing creativity and originality for the past five years, so why arent they choosing to revist their biggest success instead of sponging off smaller successes?

 

[Terrafig]

I'm really confused. Didn't they before? Wasn't that the compilation?

Also, most successful is a subjective classification. VII is the best-selling Final Fantasy game by far (and if you add in the compilation, it's ridiculous), but Metacritic actually rates IX higher and ties VII with VI and X.

The point is, there have been successful games besides VII, including games that SE feels they can bring back in part because of the success of titles since VII in countries besides Japan, and I don't think calling them "smaller successes" quite does them justice.