Strangelove
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that is why i've avoided it
but i haven't watched the last few trailers either, so i'm doing pretty good
but i haven't watched the last few trailers either, so i'm doing pretty good
Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII
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Strangelove
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- hitoshura
i usually only get the japanese version nowadays, so i'll be getting it in november
i just saw that the english version isn't out until february next year, which sucks
for everyone else, hahaha later peasants
i just saw that the english version isn't out until february next year, which sucks
for everyone else, hahaha later peasants
Akai Hana
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Frankly, I miss this Lightning a lot
not this.. she is not Lightning.
or this
Like Yop said she's just a barbie doll that resembles Lightning from FFXIII that you could dress her up to meet Ken (read=Hope)
And now you could dress Lightning as mikotte tribes from ffxiv with bunny ears or whatever it called.
not this.. she is not Lightning.
or this
Like Yop said she's just a barbie doll that resembles Lightning from FFXIII that you could dress her up to meet Ken (read=Hope)
And now you could dress Lightning as mikotte tribes from ffxiv with bunny ears or whatever it called.
Arianna
Holy, Personified
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- Katie; Seta.
Will you stream it live when you do?
I forget if you have a streaming device or not.
Most likely I'll be on LiveStream for a while...
Blade
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Clearly no one appreciates Create-A-Soul in Soul Calibur, either.
Dressing up a character doesn't really CHANGE who the character is. Just their appearance. Maybe if you took a minute to think about the significance of that paradigm, maybe you'd see things differently regarding life in general.
Maybe in terms of stats and equipment there are changes, but the functions and abilities (AND THE PLOT OF THE GAME) will stay the same.
The plot's not going to change any just because Lightning's wearing a bunny suit (or other errata).
Dressing up a character doesn't really CHANGE who the character is. Just their appearance. Maybe if you took a minute to think about the significance of that paradigm, maybe you'd see things differently regarding life in general.
Maybe in terms of stats and equipment there are changes, but the functions and abilities (AND THE PLOT OF THE GAME) will stay the same.
The plot's not going to change any just because Lightning's wearing a bunny suit (or other errata).
Alex Strife
Ex-SOLDIER
The thing is people feel the original clothes are not "in-character", so adding clothes to play with doesn't really help.
I'm sure if the original clothes were convincing, people would feel differently. (Not giving my own opinion on the clothes, though)
I'm sure if the original clothes were convincing, people would feel differently. (Not giving my own opinion on the clothes, though)
Alex Strife
Ex-SOLDIER
Yeah, it's just an opinion, Blade. Don't sweat it.
Some people like stuff I don't, and I love some stuff people can't appreciate. Nobody's right here. Different folk like different stuff. And that's why life (and videogames) is interesting.
Personally, I'm not too fond of some of the outfits, while others are cooler. I'll enjoy the system if at least for the diversity it will bring. But that's just me and I'd understand people could like a system where you change the weapon but not the clothes. That makes a bit more sense, canonically speaking, than Lightning beating enemies in a SOLDIER uniform, then a pink garb and then dressed like a FFX summoner.
Some people like stuff I don't, and I love some stuff people can't appreciate. Nobody's right here. Different folk like different stuff. And that's why life (and videogames) is interesting.
Personally, I'm not too fond of some of the outfits, while others are cooler. I'll enjoy the system if at least for the diversity it will bring. But that's just me and I'd understand people could like a system where you change the weapon but not the clothes. That makes a bit more sense, canonically speaking, than Lightning beating enemies in a SOLDIER uniform, then a pink garb and then dressed like a FFX summoner.
Blade
That Man
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Light's default outfit seems nice enough... And no, other people's opinion on the outfits really isn't a big deal to me, it's just...well...
I just think people are panicking and not realizing how many options you get. I think once people settle down and start picking out what they like the most, it will become their "Personal Lightning" (like was said earlier).
Maybe some stuff seems gaudy or not Lightning-like (but those are extreme examples of what you can do), but once you start tweaking stuff like colors and other things that express your impression of who Lightning is (since it's different for everyone), you'll get your own customized adventure soon enough.
I just think people are panicking and not realizing how many options you get. I think once people settle down and start picking out what they like the most, it will become their "Personal Lightning" (like was said earlier).
Maybe some stuff seems gaudy or not Lightning-like (but those are extreme examples of what you can do), but once you start tweaking stuff like colors and other things that express your impression of who Lightning is (since it's different for everyone), you'll get your own customized adventure soon enough.
Alex Strife
Ex-SOLDIER
^ I definitely agree with that!
Drax
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It's a thing JRPGs in general are doing now to be more like the create a character aspect in WRPGs. Fire Emblem Awakening makes you choose a custom character right off the bat, when as far as I know it isn't really necessary to the whole story.
Splintered
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Huh, this raises a good point. I know I'm reading too much into this and it wasn't intended but- you cannot convince me that these clothes are in character and maybe that's the point.
These clothes aren't reflective of Lightning, because even Lightning isn't particularly Lightning.
In one of the trailers, Lightning questions her own humanity and humanity was at the core of the original game. Lightning's ability to connect with the people around her was essential to her development, Hope spent a good deal of time saying they weren't human anymore during the early of the game when he was having his mental breakdowns, and Orphan specifically references humanity's will to be why he chooses people to be l'cie.
In the translations of the extended opening, Lightning says that she should be angry about Bhuni using Serah to get her to save souls- but she isn't. She's lost her heart, and Hope agrees. And while there are other dimensions to Lightning- no one can disagree that Serah is the center of Lightning's passion and motivation. If she's lost that, she's lost herself.
And maybe most important, Lightning lost her agency. Choice was something that popped up a lot, Lightning was pissed at the idea of being used by the fal'cie in the OG. Choice was a theme in FFXIII (ironic considering how linear the game was)- to the point that the last words right before the final story chapter in XIII was Vanille saying "We realized along the way that choice was the only thing we have left."
Even in XIII-2, where I feel she was out of character, staying in Valhalla she specifically said "I made my choice, I will fight."
Lightning did not chose to be the savior, she was forced into it with Serah held hostage. And worse, Lightning can't even be bothered to be upset about it- even though losing the ability to chose her future frustrated her before.
The idea that we can "make our own Lightning" seems strange because Lightning's was a headstrong, well defined, stubborn character who rarely took bullshit and was critical to thinking other than her own (at least in the beginning). But it makes sense when Lightning has essentially allowed herself to be played like a puppet for Bhuni.
The clothes make the man, and hey- if Lightning lost sight of who she is then she lost sight of what she wears. Instead of reflecting Lightning, her clothes in XIII-2 reflected the role in which Etros and Bhuni wanted her to be in. Lightning's outfit is horrid and I think she'd roll her eyes at it- but it reflects places like Luxerion perfectly.
yeah this is all probably bullshit but i tried.
Even in XIII-2, where I feel she was out of character, staying in Valhalla she specifically said "I made my choice, I will fight."
Lightning did not chose to be the savior, she was forced into it with Serah held hostage. And worse, Lightning can't even be bothered to be upset about it- even though losing the ability to chose her future frustrated her before.
The idea that we can "make our own Lightning" seems strange because Lightning's was a headstrong, well defined, stubborn character who rarely took bullshit and was critical to thinking other than her own (at least in the beginning). But it makes sense when Lightning has essentially allowed herself to be played like a puppet for Bhuni.
The clothes make the man, and hey- if Lightning lost sight of who she is then she lost sight of what she wears. Instead of reflecting Lightning, her clothes in XIII-2 reflected the role in which Etros and Bhuni wanted her to be in. Lightning's outfit is horrid and I think she'd roll her eyes at it- but it reflects places like Luxerion perfectly.
And we will get to see Lightning regain her agency and fight Bhuni. I'll be interested in what sparks her motivation to reign in control over her own life again.
yeah this is all probably bullshit but i tried.
The Twilight Mexican
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Brilliant, Splint.
Storm XIII
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I think the main point of the costumization is to let the player build the character the way he wants.
See, the game doesn't only give you costumes to wear, but you can change shields, weapons (and there's a lot of different weapons here), acessories, and depending of your schema the animations of Light in battle can change.
It's up to you to decide, the game have a ton of options that appeals to different tastes.
If you don't like a certain outfit because you think it doesn't fit her character that's fine, you don't need to equip. For all we know, we could stick only with her default outfits of the previous games.
This freedom is something that X-2 didn't have, because you had to use certain outfits to perform some abilities, but here you can even change the abilities your schema have. The customization option in LR is basically a Job Creator system.
Until now, we only had videos and screens to show the outfits, and a lot of them don't reflect my tastes, because I wasn't the one to choose.
See, the game doesn't only give you costumes to wear, but you can change shields, weapons (and there's a lot of different weapons here), acessories, and depending of your schema the animations of Light in battle can change.
It's up to you to decide, the game have a ton of options that appeals to different tastes.
If you don't like a certain outfit because you think it doesn't fit her character that's fine, you don't need to equip. For all we know, we could stick only with her default outfits of the previous games.
This freedom is something that X-2 didn't have, because you had to use certain outfits to perform some abilities, but here you can even change the abilities your schema have. The customization option in LR is basically a Job Creator system.
Until now, we only had videos and screens to show the outfits, and a lot of them don't reflect my tastes, because I wasn't the one to choose.
Blade
That Man
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- Darkside-Ky/Mimeblade
I'm gonna disagree with the 'horrid' bit. Whether it suited Lightning's taste or otherwise (or even Bhunivelze' or Etro's taste for that matter) a lot of people (even the developers) liked those designs enough to implement them in the game. If they truly were 'horrid' as you say, they wouldn't have been used.
That, and it's not just about style, it's about function.
Lightning's initial outfit change represented her station as Etro's guardian. Maybe it was old fashioned (or as she would say "Dressing up like a fairy tale"), but it served her purpose in battle...She even had a Gunblade function on her sword.
Her outfit as the 'Savior', is a bit more excessive in terms of body armor, but it suits that role, which if you think about it closely fits what the Warrior of Light was...a bit of a 'blank slate' perhaps in terms of starting over...but an all-seasoned traveller who is 'ready for anything' is the meaning I think behind the design. I think of it as something like what a medieval member of a S.W.A.T. team would wear.
As for Lightning being out of character... Well, its my impression that Light was headstrong and decisive no matter the situation, and even in XIII-2 that didn't change. She decided things on her own, and YES (as usual) it got her in to trouble. I'm sure her more 'emotional' side being expressed was a shock to players of XIII-2, but keep in mind she hasn't seen her sister in how many years? And all the fighting against Caius was probably an emotional drain as well...I wouldn't be surprised if she had few emotions left that hadn't gone dead after all was said and done anyway. 500+ years of fighting and then ANOTHER 500+ years can change people, I'd think.
I think in Lightning Returns, when they said we'd see new sides to her... She's going to rediscover who she was, certainly. And part of that is discovering who her friends were. That's part of the healing process. If you've ever seen people go through a mid-life crisis you'd know they tend to lose a bit of who they are, or rather who YOU think they are. I'm sure the same could be said of Caius who probably lost it eons ago.
In fact, this whole game reminds me of the events in the World of Ruin in FF6, when Celes goes out to find her friends while somehow becoming something other than a Magitek Soldier.
That, and it's not just about style, it's about function.
Lightning's initial outfit change represented her station as Etro's guardian. Maybe it was old fashioned (or as she would say "Dressing up like a fairy tale"), but it served her purpose in battle...She even had a Gunblade function on her sword.
Her outfit as the 'Savior', is a bit more excessive in terms of body armor, but it suits that role, which if you think about it closely fits what the Warrior of Light was...a bit of a 'blank slate' perhaps in terms of starting over...but an all-seasoned traveller who is 'ready for anything' is the meaning I think behind the design. I think of it as something like what a medieval member of a S.W.A.T. team would wear.
As for Lightning being out of character... Well, its my impression that Light was headstrong and decisive no matter the situation, and even in XIII-2 that didn't change. She decided things on her own, and YES (as usual) it got her in to trouble. I'm sure her more 'emotional' side being expressed was a shock to players of XIII-2, but keep in mind she hasn't seen her sister in how many years? And all the fighting against Caius was probably an emotional drain as well...I wouldn't be surprised if she had few emotions left that hadn't gone dead after all was said and done anyway. 500+ years of fighting and then ANOTHER 500+ years can change people, I'd think.
I think in Lightning Returns, when they said we'd see new sides to her... She's going to rediscover who she was, certainly. And part of that is discovering who her friends were. That's part of the healing process. If you've ever seen people go through a mid-life crisis you'd know they tend to lose a bit of who they are, or rather who YOU think they are. I'm sure the same could be said of Caius who probably lost it eons ago.
In fact, this whole game reminds me of the events in the World of Ruin in FF6, when Celes goes out to find her friends while somehow becoming something other than a Magitek Soldier.
Groodon
That XIII guy
I really liked your post Splint! 
Now I'm really excited to see her kick some gods butts! Wouldn't it be epic if everyone, the whole cast, fought together at the end (not literally but maybe in a cutscene) even thos who at the beginning tries to stop Light, like Caius, Snow and Noel. A simliar fight of the ending in XIII. I would like that
Now I'm really excited to see her kick some gods butts! Wouldn't it be epic if everyone, the whole cast, fought together at the end (not literally but maybe in a cutscene) even thos who at the beginning tries to stop Light, like Caius, Snow and Noel. A simliar fight of the ending in XIII. I would like that
Shakarian
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Official ESRB rating: http://www.justpushstart.com/2013/09/lightning-returns-final-fantasy-xiii-cleavage-alcohol/
"Lightning occasionally encounters drunken characters that are depicted waving mugs around, slurring their speech, and stumbling. One drunken man sends Lightning on a quest for high end booze before agreeing to a request. Lightning is also able to purchase beer and tequila at bars and consume the items to replenish health."
"Lightning occasionally encounters drunken characters that are depicted waving mugs around, slurring their speech, and stumbling. One drunken man sends Lightning on a quest for high end booze before agreeing to a request. Lightning is also able to purchase beer and tequila at bars and consume the items to replenish health."
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Selphie Tilmitt
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Damn ... I don't even drink that much in real life 
