Locked Heart // Tifa Lockhart
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Tifabelle
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Elisa Maza
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Here, here.
Have some sexy back instead.
Have some sexy back instead.
Max Payne
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
It took place over the course of 2 days, you could have gotten involved.
Here, here.
Have some sexy back instead.
I was thinking this was a good picture until I looked down and OH MY GOD WHAT'S WRONG WITH HER HIPS AND BUTT
Max Payne
Banned
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
her lower body s completely disproportionate
DLPB
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- Seifer Almasy, DanielReturns
Dacon, you need to separate what happens in battle with what happens in story a lot of the time.
Houses do not attack people, and people aren't shot with a shot gun to have a little HP number above their heads appear. And Tifa was not super human, even in FF7. The battles are there for your personal enjoyment and have little to do with canon almost all of the time.
Tifa met Sephiroth once in a story based cutscene, she was slashed and mortally wounded. That is the story, not slots and HP and "waterkick" (another translation error).
Please learn this
Battles are nearly always exaggerated and non canon, for the purpose of the gamer and NOT the story. Unless you actually believed that houses came alive, and Cait lines up cat pictures or throws dice to injur opponents, or that manhole creatures appear from the ground to name a few things.
Houses do not attack people, and people aren't shot with a shot gun to have a little HP number above their heads appear. And Tifa was not super human, even in FF7. The battles are there for your personal enjoyment and have little to do with canon almost all of the time.
Tifa met Sephiroth once in a story based cutscene, she was slashed and mortally wounded. That is the story, not slots and HP and "waterkick" (another translation error).
Please learn this
Battles are nearly always exaggerated and non canon, for the purpose of the gamer and NOT the story. Unless you actually believed that houses came alive, and Cait lines up cat pictures or throws dice to injur opponents, or that manhole creatures appear from the ground to name a few things.
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Max Payne
Banned
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
No I don't. AC made it clear that most everything in battle can easily be translated to actuality. These people really are achieving feats of ridiculous proportion and fighting massive creatures. Obv some are there for jokes, and my comment about Houses attacking people is a joke in itself mr. perceptive.
Cloud had no problem performing his attacks from FF7 in AC, there's no reason to assume anyone else couldn't.
What kind of a retarded belief is it to take that these people aren't superhuman when they are fighting monsters, machines, and undead creatures and succeeding? They'd have to be superhuman, and those boss fights are canon.
Kindly fuck off with this antiquated stance on this issue.
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DLPB
Banned Flunky
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- Seifer Almasy, DanielReturns
AC is a load of shite which went against its own physics and logic in fight scenes. It was again designed to be nothing more than titillation for fanbase. Even in the FF7 world (original game, not AC), Cloud could not defy physics and survive being slammed into buildings. Tifa was slashed once by Sephirioth and almost died. Please do not argue with this, you are wrong.
AC is a load of shite and if you think Cait goes about inflicting damage with dice or that houses come alive, you have issues.
Clearly, you have no idea what you are on about, which seems to happen in every discussion you are in. Please stop trying to tell people that houses coming alive is part of FF7, or that fuckin dolphins appear from thin air when Tifa kicks someone.
It makes you sound fucking psychotic.
It is common knowledge that what appears in battles and what appears in a cutscene are 2 different things. Let's sum it up for you:
Either you believe Tifa has dolphins appear from thin air in a fight, or you believe that this is just part of gameplay and has nothing to do with story. Guess which one I think it is? And if you are sane, you won't argue with that. Let's see....
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DLPB
Banned Flunky
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- Seifer Almasy, DanielReturns
Yeah, he just survived falling down 50m and crashing through a church roof without any injuries whatsoever.
Bad writing perhaps but he was knocked out. He was not running about happy as larry like in AC. Also, cloud is super human by the fictional world he is in and the laws he is given, but even those laws have a LIMIT. I guess yours and Dacon's world is this:
Where that's canon. I don't know what you boys drink, but let all of us know. I am afraid, common sense and suspension of disbelief is often needed in fiction, but not to the point where you think Hell House actually attacked Cloud in the story or that Tifa has Dolphins coming out of her feet.
Get real. I can't actually bother trying to explain this to you. If I have to debate with people who think battles are literally true, then obviously I am not in a sane place. Fanboyism isn't an excuse for a deranged mindset.
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Max Payne
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
Arguement invalidated.
It's the canon continuation of the series. It's as valid as the original game whether you like it or not. FF7 itself defied physics and logic.
Cloud fell from a retarded height and slammed through the top of a church, do you know how tough the roofs of these buildings are? Any normal person that fell from a significant height into it would be splattered. Not only did Cloud survive this, but he got up and was remotely unharmed. He's moving around and being as active as ever within moments.
Tifa was nowhere as strong as she is now during the Nibelheim incident, and Sephiroth was the most powerful person on the planet at the time, by all rights SHE SHOULD BE DEAD. This in itself is a superhuman feat.
Cloud survives being stabbed clean through his abdomen, through his bloody intestines and lifted into the air, not only does he not go into shock or die from blood loss, he LIFTS THE SWORD AND IT'S WIELDER INTO THE AIR AND THROWS THEM.
That's pretty much IMPOSSIBLE for humans.
Well since you say so I must be.
Lol you fucking retard. I already said the house thing was a joke, and the fucking dolphins are just a visual que. You're a fucking retard that pics and choose what's acceptable in a game with fucking giant monsters bursting from inside a planet, a man regenerating his fucking body from deep within a cave without medical attention, a guy with a fucking GUN IN HIS ARM, and a magical source of energy derived from the lifeblood of a fucking planet.
For fuck's sake, Cloud and co. fight off several giant monsters and machines. FF7 is clearly inspired by anime, and you can see it everywhere. It's not the real world, or based in anything similar for fucks sake.
But no, DLPB says I'm wrong so I must, mr fucking holier than thou. What an arrogant cunt.
What's common knowledge is Avalanche is a group of superhumans who fought off the end of the fucking world against a horde of monsters,machines, and trained military groups. Not only is it common knowledge, but it's fucking canon.
So accept that or go cry at someone else you fucking spaz.
There is no being civil with you. Fuck.
Shademp
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Tifa's "Dolphin Blow" is just a wonderful attack. To me it's one of the best jokes FFVII has to offer. You have to ask yourself...is she carrying around that dolphin all the time?
Cloud: "Tifa, that dolphin is starting to smell."
Tifa: "BUT I NEED IT FOR MY SPECIAL ATTACK!"
Cloud: "Ok, just keep that corpse away when the animal rights movement approaches..."
Cloud: "Tifa, that dolphin is starting to smell."
Tifa: "BUT I NEED IT FOR MY SPECIAL ATTACK!"
Cloud: "Ok, just keep that corpse away when the animal rights movement approaches..."
DLPB
Banned Flunky
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- Seifer Almasy, DanielReturns
I'd laugh at that, but Dacon thinks it is literally true and there isn't a word for that. I pity anyone who played FF7 believing everything they saw in battles was part of the actual story. In order to do that you need to be on an acid trip and have no care whatsoever for good fiction. If you can rationalise anything in fiction, the fiction has nearly always failed.
FF7 didn't fail. Obviously some of the fans did. No wonder we got that crappy movie.
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Max Payne
Banned
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
I always thought it was pretty obvious it was just a visual representation for the attack(cuz you know, dolphin hair). I didn't know people thought an actual dolphin showed up out of nowhere.
Only look DLPB being a fucking moron as usual
Tetsujin
he/they
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- Tets
DLPB
Banned Flunky
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- Seifer Almasy, DanielReturns
Oh wait, so now suddenly dolphins aren't literal? Are you starting to realise how absurd your argument is again?
[Dacon edited his post so this doesn't make sense now]
I will leave you with that then
edit actually, from here on in, note that Dacon has changed his opinion and is worming around what he has said and in the past. To all these "I never said or meant that" come backs, all I need do is this:
For all Dacon's claims that he was not arguing with the premise that pretty much everything in battle is canon, his own responses make it clear that he was. So he can piss and moan and jump up and down, but the responses are here to see. Dacon was the one claiming that ridiculous battle scenes should be interpreted as part of story (because Advent Children did it), and then he claimed that certain things weren't to be interpreted, and so he is simply doing what I do, picking and choosing what he will accept to be true in battle, which is the thing HE DISAGREED WITH ME ON. Is that confusing? He bluntly states that he disagrees with my above statement but left enough ambiguity in his post that he could later pretend that he didn't mean what he did, which is a common tactic I keep seeing in my time here. Leaving slight abiguity in your posts just so you can later claim that you have been misinterpreted is desperate.
He is literally taking the main feats shown in the battles as CANON
Laughably, in the past his own argument has been that Rufus really did shoot Cloud in the chest with a shot gun shell. Arguing over whether hell house is real or not isn't really the point I was making and I think even a moron can see that. The point I made was clear, that lots of stuff that happens in battle, even mundane things like shot gun impacts, can't be taken as literally story. It was THIS he objected to, as he has done in the past. I used the hell house and dolphin analogy to show 100% why battles and story are somewhat separated largely at times.
His whole argument consists of believing that a lot of equally ridiculous things which happen in battle are acceptable because certain things happened in AC which IS A SEQUEL and NOT the original story. I find it difficult to grasp what people can't understand about that. It is possible for a sequel or remake to shit all over the original story and go against it. Just because a writer retcons and wrecks their own work, does not make it OK or change the original story and physics. If we all thought that, there would be no fuckin point watching fiction. None of it could be accepted.
Dacon's opinion is that Rufus survived a fire ball even though FF7 made clear he did not. Just because AC said "oh it's now possible for a NORMAL HUMAN to survive being burned alive" or that Cloud can now fly into walls and not have any injuries at all because AC says so, does not mean that these story elements are workable. I find myself amused and scared that my simple logical argument is so readily rounded upon on this forum and that something so basic and simple, which should be accepted as obvious, is even being debated. It defies words. It isn't even FF7 we are debating here, it is the most basic understanding of storytelling and fiction.
It is more of a problem when such bogus posts get heaps of thanks, because that demonstrates that those people can't understand this either. That's a lot of people. FF7 worked because for the most part people were able to suspend disbelief (apart from mainly Cait Sith) of things that were happening, and project themselves into the game. When Aerith was stabbed, the dramatic impact of the scene was great because it was realistic. It was realistic to see a flesh based being die from that. The same way that falling off a bridge rendered Tifa unconscious.
AC came along and threw all this in the trash can, and people like Dacon are the problem. They accept Cloud being thrown into walls at huge speeds without ANY injuries blindly, and have no concept or understanding of why that is wrong and why original FF7 worked on so many levels. It wasn't always Shakespeare, and it wasn't always perfect, but as a fiction it was very well made. AC on the other hand, wasn't, because it reduced the story to a mess where anything is possible and where all dramatic tension is lost.
It is also important to realise that a lot of fiction is based on the real world and has Humans or flesh based creatures in it. In those circumstances the writers have placed a limitation on how far they can stretch logic and how often. FF7 does not go too far too often, that's why it works. The prequels and sequels do. I understand Advent Children had to be entertaining, but that does not mean defying the physics of its own world. What Dacon cannot grasp in the slightest is that just because something happens in AC or even the original game at times, that does not mean you can blindly accept it. If the rules and physics are heavily based on OUR world, then that writing cannot go too far that it blatantly breaks those rules . Dacon would have you believe that just because Cloud cannot float onto a ledge in FF7 but can in Advent Children, that the planet's own gravity which was set up in the original game and adhered to, no longer exists in the same way. That now canon dictates that Gravity is completely different; this simply does not work.
Dacon, like so many, does not realise the basic limitations of fiction and good storytelling, and thinks that whatever the writers say, is the gospel truth, no matter how much they are going against their original work or the basic laws of physics. Advent Children had a good opportunity to show how different Gameplay and Story are, but it tried to incorporate gameplay elements (like fighting huge monsters single handedly and flying 50m in the air) INTO the live action main story and the result is a laughable farce that no one can remotely suspend disbelief to. The result of AC is that it is a failure of fiction. The same elements that can be ignored in the original game because it IS A GAME, cannot be ignored when you see the characters defying physics and logic as PART OF THE MAIN STORY. If the AC writers had been smart they would have limited the out of control fight scenes and ridiculous feats of impossibility, and stuck to sane level headed storytelling. Instead they appeased fanboys like Dacon, with dazzling, useless, overlong, unrealistic, laughable fight sequences.
All this can be summed up by: Movies and Games are not the same thing. Game stories HAVE to work around gameplay elements inside a game, movies do not and should not, as real life is not played like a game. In other words, trying to make your fucking movie play out like it is a fucking game is retarded! OBVIOUS.
Now we can understand why so many bad movies get rave reviews for their story... it is because so many people haven't got a fucking clue what a good story is.
The same thing happened in the Star Wars prequels, and the Matrix sequels. This is fucking basic stuff that people need to know, because if people carry on accepting any old shit that is fired out of the games industry or Hollywood, nothing will get better, only worse!
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It is also interesting to see how emotional and worked up Dacon is over this game. His posts and that of others here seem to be nothing but hate filled, insult strewn tirades, because they cannot debate properly. What is really sad is that this behaviour appears to be the norm on this forum, and is actually congratulated.... oh, well... as long as it is a Mod doing it, that is.
What kind of forum actually allows a moderator to act in such a way? And what kind of moron actually thinks normal people looking at this thread are going to think he is clever or anything other than a fanboy who can't tolerate that he is wrong about a number of things. Dacon is very interesting actually; on one hand he demands respect and on the other he abuses people. He asked me why I wasn't respecting his opinion and the answer is as plain as day in this very thread. The reason people like Dacon aren't to be taken seriously is because they only pretend that they are listening. All people like the ignorant man above are about is inflicting their views on people regardless of any lack of credibility those views have.
Anyone intelligent who reads this (well, in the future perhaps because Dacon [probably] has actually hidden all my posts and threads here at tls haha, that's how sad he is!) will only conclude that Dacon cannot debate and is a juvenile idiot who has absolutely no concept of what good fiction is.
It is a shame that forums are infested by people so lacking in intelligence, as Dacon.
[Dacon edited his post so this doesn't make sense now]
I will leave you with that then
edit actually, from here on in, note that Dacon has changed his opinion and is worming around what he has said and in the past. To all these "I never said or meant that" come backs, all I need do is this:
and his response:
As usual, when the argument is lost, claim you never made the argument, or that the points aren't being addressed, or go and edit a post to make it look like you didn't change your opinion at all. Not working. I didn't say "all of the time" I said "a lot of the time" and HE DISAGREED and made the argument that battles should be interpreted as CANON.
For all Dacon's claims that he was not arguing with the premise that pretty much everything in battle is canon, his own responses make it clear that he was. So he can piss and moan and jump up and down, but the responses are here to see. Dacon was the one claiming that ridiculous battle scenes should be interpreted as part of story (because Advent Children did it), and then he claimed that certain things weren't to be interpreted, and so he is simply doing what I do, picking and choosing what he will accept to be true in battle, which is the thing HE DISAGREED WITH ME ON. Is that confusing? He bluntly states that he disagrees with my above statement but left enough ambiguity in his post that he could later pretend that he didn't mean what he did, which is a common tactic I keep seeing in my time here. Leaving slight abiguity in your posts just so you can later claim that you have been misinterpreted is desperate.
So now Dacon places in a line of ambiguity "some are there for jokes" , which is completely at odds with: "No I don't. AC made it clear that most everything in battle can easily be translated to actuality. "
He is literally taking the main feats shown in the battles as CANON
and as LITERAL, which is what I object to. The battles should not be taken that literally, because they are intended for THE GAMER and not the story. If a cutscene works by Tifa being almost killed in 1 slash, but in battles she can be repeatedly slashed and still be OK, that is CLEARLY not how a battle should be viewed. It is bloody well mind bogglingly simple premise here. What happens in battles is often required or the game would be fucking shit.
Laughably, in the past his own argument has been that Rufus really did shoot Cloud in the chest with a shot gun shell. Arguing over whether hell house is real or not isn't really the point I was making and I think even a moron can see that. The point I made was clear, that lots of stuff that happens in battle, even mundane things like shot gun impacts, can't be taken as literally story. It was THIS he objected to, as he has done in the past. I used the hell house and dolphin analogy to show 100% why battles and story are somewhat separated largely at times.
His whole argument consists of believing that a lot of equally ridiculous things which happen in battle are acceptable because certain things happened in AC which IS A SEQUEL and NOT the original story. I find it difficult to grasp what people can't understand about that. It is possible for a sequel or remake to shit all over the original story and go against it. Just because a writer retcons and wrecks their own work, does not make it OK or change the original story and physics. If we all thought that, there would be no fuckin point watching fiction. None of it could be accepted.
Dacon's opinion is that Rufus survived a fire ball even though FF7 made clear he did not. Just because AC said "oh it's now possible for a NORMAL HUMAN to survive being burned alive" or that Cloud can now fly into walls and not have any injuries at all because AC says so, does not mean that these story elements are workable. I find myself amused and scared that my simple logical argument is so readily rounded upon on this forum and that something so basic and simple, which should be accepted as obvious, is even being debated. It defies words. It isn't even FF7 we are debating here, it is the most basic understanding of storytelling and fiction.
It is more of a problem when such bogus posts get heaps of thanks, because that demonstrates that those people can't understand this either. That's a lot of people. FF7 worked because for the most part people were able to suspend disbelief (apart from mainly Cait Sith) of things that were happening, and project themselves into the game. When Aerith was stabbed, the dramatic impact of the scene was great because it was realistic. It was realistic to see a flesh based being die from that. The same way that falling off a bridge rendered Tifa unconscious.
AC came along and threw all this in the trash can, and people like Dacon are the problem. They accept Cloud being thrown into walls at huge speeds without ANY injuries blindly, and have no concept or understanding of why that is wrong and why original FF7 worked on so many levels. It wasn't always Shakespeare, and it wasn't always perfect, but as a fiction it was very well made. AC on the other hand, wasn't, because it reduced the story to a mess where anything is possible and where all dramatic tension is lost.
It is also important to realise that a lot of fiction is based on the real world and has Humans or flesh based creatures in it. In those circumstances the writers have placed a limitation on how far they can stretch logic and how often. FF7 does not go too far too often, that's why it works. The prequels and sequels do. I understand Advent Children had to be entertaining, but that does not mean defying the physics of its own world. What Dacon cannot grasp in the slightest is that just because something happens in AC or even the original game at times, that does not mean you can blindly accept it. If the rules and physics are heavily based on OUR world, then that writing cannot go too far that it blatantly breaks those rules . Dacon would have you believe that just because Cloud cannot float onto a ledge in FF7 but can in Advent Children, that the planet's own gravity which was set up in the original game and adhered to, no longer exists in the same way. That now canon dictates that Gravity is completely different; this simply does not work.
Dacon, like so many, does not realise the basic limitations of fiction and good storytelling, and thinks that whatever the writers say, is the gospel truth, no matter how much they are going against their original work or the basic laws of physics. Advent Children had a good opportunity to show how different Gameplay and Story are, but it tried to incorporate gameplay elements (like fighting huge monsters single handedly and flying 50m in the air) INTO the live action main story and the result is a laughable farce that no one can remotely suspend disbelief to. The result of AC is that it is a failure of fiction. The same elements that can be ignored in the original game because it IS A GAME, cannot be ignored when you see the characters defying physics and logic as PART OF THE MAIN STORY. If the AC writers had been smart they would have limited the out of control fight scenes and ridiculous feats of impossibility, and stuck to sane level headed storytelling. Instead they appeased fanboys like Dacon, with dazzling, useless, overlong, unrealistic, laughable fight sequences.
All this can be summed up by: Movies and Games are not the same thing. Game stories HAVE to work around gameplay elements inside a game, movies do not and should not, as real life is not played like a game. In other words, trying to make your fucking movie play out like it is a fucking game is retarded! OBVIOUS.
Now we can understand why so many bad movies get rave reviews for their story... it is because so many people haven't got a fucking clue what a good story is.
The same thing happened in the Star Wars prequels, and the Matrix sequels. This is fucking basic stuff that people need to know, because if people carry on accepting any old shit that is fired out of the games industry or Hollywood, nothing will get better, only worse!
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It is also interesting to see how emotional and worked up Dacon is over this game. His posts and that of others here seem to be nothing but hate filled, insult strewn tirades, because they cannot debate properly. What is really sad is that this behaviour appears to be the norm on this forum, and is actually congratulated.... oh, well... as long as it is a Mod doing it, that is.
What kind of forum actually allows a moderator to act in such a way? And what kind of moron actually thinks normal people looking at this thread are going to think he is clever or anything other than a fanboy who can't tolerate that he is wrong about a number of things. Dacon is very interesting actually; on one hand he demands respect and on the other he abuses people. He asked me why I wasn't respecting his opinion and the answer is as plain as day in this very thread. The reason people like Dacon aren't to be taken seriously is because they only pretend that they are listening. All people like the ignorant man above are about is inflicting their views on people regardless of any lack of credibility those views have.
Anyone intelligent who reads this (well, in the future perhaps because Dacon [probably] has actually hidden all my posts and threads here at tls haha, that's how sad he is!) will only conclude that Dacon cannot debate and is a juvenile idiot who has absolutely no concept of what good fiction is.
It is a shame that forums are infested by people so lacking in intelligence, as Dacon.
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Alessa Gillespie
a letter to my future self
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- Sansa Stark, Sweet Bro, Feferi, tentacleTherapist, Nin, Aki, Catwoman, Shinjiro Aragaki, Terezi, Princess Bubblegum
this thread has just gotten silly so here's a video of DISCO*PRINCE
ForceStealer
Double Growth
It's a good thing you can only feasibly take the soul out of the game's script, DLPB, because I feel like the battles would be really freaking boring in your version of that game.
Max Payne
Banned
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
Oh wait, so now suddenly dolphins aren't literal? Are you starting to realise how absurd your argument is again?
I will leave you with that then
You're intentionally being obtuse and vapid.
1 no one said everything in battles was literal, but that there's no reason at all to believe that the things they do in it can't be done by the characters except for stuff like Barret's satellite beam(where is the satellite and how is he contacting it? has their world ever even launched any?). Obviously the dolphin attack isn't a real dolphin appearing out of fucking nowhere but a neat visual affect accompanying the attack.
The thing about the houses was obvious a joke that went over your gigantic head. What I'm saying is, that's no reason to assume that ALL of the monsters and enemies aren't real.
Jesus what is wrong with you
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Max Payne
Banned
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- Leon S. Kennedy,Terry Bogard, The Dark Knight, Dacon, John Marston, Teal'c
No Force, avalanche is a bunch of normal people with no special abilities that managed to beat an assload of monsters and machines by pure luck.
Oh, and they never fought any of those battles because battles ain't canon