Ryushikaze
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Not really? There is extra dialogue coded, but it's for AV values that you won't get without infinite loops or a gameshark for Aerith's lines.
SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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Not really? There is extra dialogue coded, but it's for AV values that you won't get without infinite loops or a gameshark for Aerith's lines.
Odysseus
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Shhhhh I forgot because I modded those values to be way lower so you could actually get them
Really, because I don't remember a single instance of them acting like a couple or showing affection to each other in that movie, not even in the "Complete" edition. Unless you're referring to the scene where Tifa literally explains Cloud's own feelings to him and speaks nonsensical babytalk, but nothing ever came of that since Cloud was still feeling sorry for himself afterwards. If anything it leans more towards Cloud/Aerith since she's ultimately the one who got Cloud to stop with the self-pitying (with help from Vincent and Marlene), not Tifa. Even during the ending they weren't together, not to mention she was more than happy to let Cloud fight Kadaj/Sephiroth by himself.
And my comment earlier was more how everything in Advent Children contradicts the original game, and as a result Nomura, Nojima etc. do not give two flying shits about continuity or consistency.
Well they did exactly that with Advent Children, so who knows.
Yeah what I meant to say was that they would find some new way to make it work. If the story was a 1:1 copy of the original it definitely wouldn't. Honestly I'm really starting to regret making that post.
Well they've kind of already proved that it will be different when they showed Zack surviving, followed by "The unknown journey will continue." To what extent it will be different we don't know yet, but it's highly unlikely to be the same as the original.
Graymouse
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I am curious to know, what happens to Tifa when she is completely stripped of her role in the Remake? Should we write her out of the Remake all together? Or should we keep her in and have her be a side character?
The latter.
looneymoon
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Remake will only add more waifus, they would never take a waifu away like that 
a_apple 2.0
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Why would they do that tho? Tifa is pretty popular, and made SE way more cash than any of the other remake characters
So wouldn't they rather give her more screen time lol
Why would they do that tho? Tifa is pretty popular, and made SE way more cash than any of the other remake characters
So wouldn't they rather give her more screen time lol
Which they already did in the remake
I'm just saying since the choice was between keeping her as a side character and omitting her completely, it's pretty obvious which is going to happen.
Graymouse
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If SE does what you suggest, what would be the purpose of having Tifa in the story in the first place? I would probably guess that SE would "remove" Tifa completely before they make her a side character. That is just how important Tifa is to the story.
a_apple 2.0
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It's just such a weird assumption to think that they would ever cut down on Tifa content lol
Ryushikaze
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Especially given the changes they made in early development just to make sure Tifa still had a role. I've been thinking about it, and I propose a slightly alternate take for the "Tifa was created when we decided to kill Aerith" story .
It was not that they created Tifa when they decided to kill Aerith, we know that from early materials. What if instead they created Aerith so they could kill someone and keep Tifa around? I have nothing specific to prove this, except that we know that Nomura said things like "In an early stage of development, Aerith was related to Sephiroth" only to see sketches from said early stage of development with a character named Tifa related to Sephiroth instead.
It was not that they created Tifa when they decided to kill Aerith, we know that from early materials. What if instead they created Aerith so they could kill someone and keep Tifa around? I have nothing specific to prove this, except that we know that Nomura said things like "In an early stage of development, Aerith was related to Sephiroth" only to see sketches from said early stage of development with a character named Tifa related to Sephiroth instead.
The Twilight Mexican
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It sounds rather like you have a lot of misunderstandings about AC's character interactions and story.
I mean, citing a show of belief in Cloud that he could handle that fight (something he smiles about as the rest of his team backs off) as a negative? Registering the bedroom conversation between Cloud and Tifa as irrelevant to his character trajectory when it was so important to the developers they had the voice actors record it together (something not done for any other dialogue in the film)? Those are misreadings tantamount to constituting a different story altogether.
How so?
I don't see what the voice actors recording it together has to do with anything. And my point is that the scene doesn't bring Cloud and Tifa any closer together.
Cloud spending half the movie feeling sorry for himself over Aerith's death and Sephiroth's consciousness somehow surviving in the lifestream for starters, both of which blatantly contradict the ending of the game. I'll make a separate thread on it soon since I think I've derailed this thread enough already.
Rydeen
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Advent Children is a hot mess, but this is a complaint I never agreed with. By the end of the OG, everyone was high on adrenaline. I’ve always quite liked Cloud’s “emo” phase, because psychological trauma doesn’t just go away like that. It tends to resurge for the rest of your life and ideally you just get better at dealing with it. The Geostigma brought back those psychological wounds and I felt like him not being truly over it was relatable.
@ExampleZ I'm not saying that Advent Children is a good movie, many of us here have already expressed our opinions (negative and positive) of the movie in this thread and others, and the older members I'm sure have already had the AC/C discussion to death. But the characters don't exactly feel the way they feel out of nothing, nor does it deny a Cloud/Tifa relationship.
I don't know if you've read the On The Way to a Smile novellas, but if you're actually interested in LTD discussion I'd encourage you to do so because it explains many of the characters' motivations and reasons why they are the way they are in AC/C. Case of Tifa (and Case of Barret) pretty much establish Cloud and Tifa in a steady romantic relationship, and AC/C is simply a moment in time where they're going through a rough spot, because that serves to provide the most drama.
I don't know if you've read the On The Way to a Smile novellas, but if you're actually interested in LTD discussion I'd encourage you to do so because it explains many of the characters' motivations and reasons why they are the way they are in AC/C. Case of Tifa (and Case of Barret) pretty much establish Cloud and Tifa in a steady romantic relationship, and AC/C is simply a moment in time where they're going through a rough spot, because that serves to provide the most drama.
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Because it highlights the weight of it; the desire for it to be received and felt with authenticity.
She gets him to go after the kids despite his crippling fear that he'll only make things worse. That's huge for him at that point with where his head was at, and sets in motion the events that allow others to further get through to him.ExampleZ said:
The original game doesn't show us how he was getting on a couple of years after Zack and Aerith's deaths, so there's nothing to contradict here ...
Just like it did in the original game when he died the first time, you mean?
Okay, reply to me there.
Cat on Mars
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Sometimes it's like people don't understand what fiction is.
If you want a story, you need conflict. Drama. That's why Cloud feels guilty and is dying and he's leaving his family behind without explaining his motives, creating yet another conflict with Tifa, and Sephiroth comes back because lazy writers be lazy.
And a story needs payoff.
In AC or ACC, payoff means Cloud defeating Sephiroth by himself, forgiving himself and coming back to his family, proving Tifa was right about him.
It's weird how people see the ending and think "I guess Cloud and Tifa never had a relationship in first place".
It's a fantasy/action CG movie, what were some people expecting? Graphic sex scenes?
If you want a story, you need conflict. Drama. That's why Cloud feels guilty and is dying and he's leaving his family behind without explaining his motives, creating yet another conflict with Tifa, and Sephiroth comes back because lazy writers be lazy.
And a story needs payoff.
In AC or ACC, payoff means Cloud defeating Sephiroth by himself, forgiving himself and coming back to his family, proving Tifa was right about him.
It's weird how people see the ending and think "I guess Cloud and Tifa never had a relationship in first place".
It's a fantasy/action CG movie, what were some people expecting? Graphic sex scenes?
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Odysseus
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While there's no evidence of this, I think you're on to something here. The proto-Aerith/Tifa hybrid character had Tifa's design, after all. In this stage Aerith and Sephiroth were related, so when they drafted a new look for her they designed them to be similar. That's why Aerith and Sephiroth have the same bangs. At this time Sephiroth also looked more like vincent, who arguably resembles Tifa streeeeetch so maybe that's part of the reason that design got repurposed in favor of Sephiroth's final look. This way the siblings look like each other and the Tifa design gets to have another role. I dunno, that kinda makes sense.
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I've been quiet this entire time and you just out me like this. Smh
shersita007
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Ohh, it would be very interesting to see Aerith trying to help Cloud fix his memories, and finding out that at least 85% of Cloud subconcious is filled with his obsession for Tifa and that all what he was searching for, was to become strong to protect and impress Tifa his childhood crush. I would love to see Aerith face at that moment
And Tifa says a non sense to Cloud in AC/ACC that didn't help him at all?
This explain why Cloud later told Tifa 'Maybe I lost some weight, after all that Dilly, Dally'. Tifa words gave Cloud the first boost he needed to start to move forward.
And Tifa says a non sense to Cloud in AC/ACC that didn't help him at all?
This explain why Cloud later told Tifa 'Maybe I lost some weight, after all that Dilly, Dally'. Tifa words gave Cloud the first boost he needed to start to move forward.
shersita007
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Yep, they are
without that lecture from Tifa, Cloud wouldn't move his body to go and search for the childrens and start doing something about all the mess that was currently happening.
Via Purifico
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Actually there's a story that Nomura subbed Tifa's design for Aerith when the subject of a character death came up. Tifa got put on the back burner because there was only one heroine at that point. Then they moved into the next stage of development and brought up the fact they were killing their only love interest. At this point Tifa was brought back in as the idea of the love triangle was suggested and she was given the internal plot with Cloud, while Aerith remained the external plot and character death.
And I've seen a quote where Nomura jokes that he saved Tifa by giving them Aerith.