Yeah to the extent of her bubbly personality she is clingy and flirty. Very guigui and pulls him around. But by act on her feelings here I mean make an actual move and kiss him.
I dunno. If I knew my friend was interested in a girl, I wouldn’t… I wouldn’t flirt with her in front of him, especially if I was unsure of my feelings for her as well.
To be fair, in JP, Marlene says: “hyu~ hyu~” instead of “Cause you weren’t there” which is a japanese onomatopoeia for when you’re teasing two people for acting lovey-dovey.
Please don't act as if you are the only one who has had to deal with mental illness in their life, not only is it an unfair way to argue but it's insensitive. I never said nothing Cloud did pre-lifestream matters, that's you refusing to see gradients and forcing stuff into boxes again. You're forcing me to play by your rules and that's not ok. The whole point is that it's not "either or", so using the fact that I refuse to say something is in box A, since I don't believe the world is as simple as everything having a clear cut classification, to act as though I am saying it's in Box B, or otherwise exactly the same, is intellectually dishonest. And as someone who has also suffered, and is continuing to suffer from, mental health issues, what I find upsetting is when people think they can define away my issues into a neat package and treat me as though I am different.
I'm not arguing that. The character Cloud of course acted on his feelings for Tifa. Because that's what they wish to show his feelings for her. The kiss shows this clearly.
They need their wins where they can get them, considering what happens later.
This I imagine was a difficult thing for the devs to portray, especially with the voice acting and facial expressions, body language, etc: how to have Aerith openly flirt with Cloud without coming off as a bad friend to Tifa. It's a fine line they walked, and one that is going to really impact people differently. Some will view it as a friendly rivalry/harmless flirting. Others will see it as tasteless and even say Aerith wasn't a real friend for doing this.
I never said Aerith is flirty by nature. I was acknowledging what you were saying. But the point is also to show the viewer hey look how bubbly this character is as well as let them know her feelings.
I was just thinking about this. I feel that few people appreciate or consider in depth what a mindscrew being around Cloud must've been for Aerith. I mean, this kid falls through the church roof like Zack, carries his sword, and acts like him (insert the cool compilation of Cloud mimicking Zack's mannerisms). It's like, it is him but it's not him. It's no wonder the poor girl is confused (on top of still processing her grief). This is why I can't fault her behaviour because I can't even imagine being in that situation myself.
Especially the eyes. Can you imagine looking into someone's eyes that look exactly like the eyes of the one you love? Like every time she does, she probably has to remind herself that those are not Zack's eyes---those are Cloud's.
It's a hard thing to be stuck on, for sure. While I can see Aerith acting on impulse because of herimpending death and the fact Cloud reminds of her of Zack... I'm still torn what to think of the fact she still did it despite being aware of both Cloud and Tifa's feelings for each other. I will give Aerith this: she's very, very far from Sekai from the School Days anime (and I would like to believe that's a super low bar to clear).
I think from a story standpoint it is very difficult. I think they do need to be careful how the character comes across because yeah many people would take it as her being catty to her friend. I get it.
Oh, I very much agree with you on this. And I think I'm fine with being stuck on this, personally. I don't have to personally like it, but it still gets the message across quite clearly. I'll take the latter over my own preference any day, if only because clarity matters a lot to me.I think from a story standpoint it is very difficult. I think they do need to be careful how the character comes across because yeah many people would take it as her being catty to her friend. I get it.
But they also have to show the character has feelings for Cloud as it's part of her story arc. She sees him as more than a friend so I think they decided flirting would be the way to show that. Like they need to show the audience she falls for him somehow.
It would also be weird if the character didn't show rising affection towards Cloud considering players are given the choice to raise her affection in the game. Like no point in having that affection point system if her relationship with him feels like the same friendship as everyone else.
With OG it was more extreme bc it was polygon people with faces that looked like this
Here the interactions feel more natural. In HD we can see all the characters interact subtly.
I do wonder if they could have showed Aerith's feelings for Cloud and her being torn over him and Zack another way. Like maybe showing her fall for him secretly anime style away from Tifa. Maybe looking at him from a distance. But with her forthcoming and bold personality I'm not sure how well that would work out.
Yeah Spanish soap operas too. Though the story style of FFVII is very subversive. From the surface it looks like a typical drama rivalry over a guy but when we deep dive it's not exactly and there is a lot of stuff just going on.Oh, I very much agree with you on this. And I think I'm fine with being stuck on this, personally. I don't have to personally like it, but it still gets the message across quite clearly. I'll take the latter over my own preference any day, if only because clarity matters a lot to me.
Funny enough, this kind of situation is similar to the premise of a Korean soap I watched with my mom watched once. Lie to Me, I believe was the translated title. The main gal there was planning to confess her feelings to her crush after passing an exam but her then friend, even while knowing this, got together with that same guy (to spite her, mostly -- she's shown to get really jealous of the main girl). Of course, the main girl finds love with someone else, but yeah.
...I think these Asian soaps gave me about as much brain rot as harem anime.
To explain this to the best of my abilities, some people think Zack is Gary Stu due to how Crisis Core is written. Crisis Core has been criticized by some because it removes agency from Cloud,Aerith, and even Sephiroth to some extent. People also feel it mask Zack too important like being the guy who named seventh heaven.
I agree stuff like naming Seventh Heaven is a bit silly. But that doesn’t make him a Gary Stu and I honestly don’t see how it removes either Sephiroth or Cloud’s agency.
In your opinion where do you think P3 will lead in terms of the LTD? To me it seemed pretty setup for Cloud and Tifa and a Zack and Aerith reunion. I personally feel like there's been too much done in Rebirth for them to walk back. For example, how do they walk back all that romantic development with Cloud and Tifa, if you include the kiss of course, only for him to turn around and say well actually. Like the reason I put this across is I believe things with Cloud and Aerith aren't so far gone as to you can't walk it back in P3, what with what Aerith said during the church scene of not even necessarily knowing where she stands, on top of constant cutscenes of Zacks devotion, Cloud not seemingly reciprocating (though we don't really know how he feels.)