SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Ryushikaze]

Umm I have to hear this. Could you elaborate please?

So the site (Clerith.com) is now defunct, but if I remember correctly, the argument was that two of the monkeys that you had to pair up in the monkey matching minigame in FF10 - or 10-2 rather - were named summer and winter. This was trotted out as a CLEAR indication that S-E was promoting pairings between a summery and a wintery personality, or C/A.

It's a bad argument, it should feel bad and the person who made it should feel bad.

 

[Empyrea]

Oh, I remember that! Yes, that's right (I liked FFX-2 enough that I played a few times to 100% it). But, uhhh, what does that have to do with CA?

 

[Rose Alive]

So the site (Clerith.com) is now defunct, but if I remember correctly, the argument was that two of the monkeys that you had to pair up in the monkey matching minigame in FF10 - or 10-2 rather - were named summer and winter. This was trotted out as a CLEAR indication that S-E was promoting pairings between a summery and a wintery personality, or C/A.

It's a bad argument, it should feel bad and the person who made it should feel bad.

Ok thank you. I'm laughing probably harder than I should.

 

[GamerSkull]

So the site (Clerith.com) is now defunct, but if I remember correctly, the argument was that two of the monkeys that you had to pair up in the monkey matching minigame in FF10 - or 10-2 rather - were named summer and winter. This was trotted out as a CLEAR indication that S-E was promoting pairings between a summery and a wintery personality, or C/A.

It's a bad argument, it should feel bad and the person who made it should feel bad.

You see, Zidane and Garnet prove Cloti is canon. You can’t argue blonde character likes a character with dark brown/black hair.

Noctis and Lunafreya too. It’s so obvious.

SE is promoting that kind of pairing. /s

 

[Ryushikaze]

Oh, I remember that! Yes, that's right (I liked FFX-2 enough that I played a few times to 100% it). But, uhhh, what does that have to do with CA?

In reality, not a damn thing. Such was the way of the shipping goggles.

You see, Zidane and Garnet prove Cloti is canon. You can’t argue blonde character likes a character with dark brown/black hair.

SE is promoting that kind of pairing. /s

No, CLEARLY Tidus and Yuna proves C/T because he's her guardian and she's a summoner. You know who ELSE was called Guadian and Summoner, Cloud and Tifa (in Ehrgeiz). CHECKMATE!

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

When I first played OG when I was young, I didn't understand everything and I thought Cloud and Aerith were the couple. Like to me Tifa was just there. The lifestream scene went right over my head. And when I first watched AC, I thought Cloud lived with Tifa just because they were friends and that he had some sort of spiritual-romance going on with Aerith. It was until I was older that I was like oooooohhh I get it now.

But I really appreciate your thoughts and enjoy your posts. And as someone who used to be CA, there's been many times in the Remake games where Cloud and Aerith's scenes got me starry-eyed.

Yeah 16 year old me would loveee this game lol

Yeah for me it didn't go over my head just caught me off guard. Bc as a Clerith I was all about Aerith and I didn't think too much about Tifa until I got that scene. I didn't hate Tifa so I had been nice to her but I just didn't exactly care for the more down to earth childhood friend thing. Then I was like oh wait a minute.

But I was all about Cloud loves both girls until Remake basically. Remake changed my mind. And well not that my mind wanted to change. And since then it has been weird balance of enjoying CA anyway while acknowledging that he loves and ends up w Tifa in endgame. But I still see Clerith as "a romantic looking platonic deep undefined spiritual friendship that could have been more in another life". So that's just me. And no matter how hard I try and I have lol I can't unsee it.XD
But yeah I enjoy your posts too!

 

[GamerSkull]

In reality, not a damn thing. Such was the way of the shipping goggles.


No, CLEARLY Tidus and Yuna proves C/T because he's her guardian and she's a summoner. You know who ELSE was called Guadian and Summoner, Cloud and Tifa (in Ehrgeiz). CHECKMATE!

FF8 proves CA because Zell is a martial artist and he does not end up with Squall whatsoever. This means that CT is not meant to be. Hehehehehhehehe

Okay. I’ll stop lol

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

So the site (Clerith.com) is now defunct, but if I remember correctly, the argument was that two of the monkeys that you had to pair up in the monkey matching minigame in FF10 - or 10-2 rather - were named summer and winter. This was trotted out as a CLEAR indication that S-E was promoting pairings between a summery and a wintery personality, or C/A.

It's a bad argument, it should feel bad and the person who made it should feel bad.

On behalf of my team I am sorry.

And yeah I remember a lot of these arguments from the past. So I understand the venting.

"Perhaps one day we'll look back on these times and laugh" instead of cringe. Lol.

But you have to say we in the LTD community have come a very long way.

Also back then there wasn't much in terms of resources like Ultimania's and dev interviews every month either so we gotta admit a lot of arguments from either side were pretty out there.

 

[Ryushikaze]

FF8 also proves CA because Zell is a martial artist and he does not end up with Rinoa whatsoever. This means that CT is not meant to be. Hehehehehhehehe

Okay. I’ll stop lol

But the showy dumbass who turns out to be a great big dork does get with his childhood friend (Irvine and Selphie) And Zell does get with the pig-tailed(?) girl in the end, so that's blonde and dark brunette yet again.

We could probably go all night with this nonsense.

On behalf of my team I am sorry.

And yeah I remember a lot of these arguments from the past. So I understand the venting.

"Perhaps one day we'll look back on these times and laugh" instead of cringe. Lol.

But you have to say we in the LTD community have come a very long way.

We have. I remember when slut-shaming Tifa was a major tenet of a lot of C/A arguments I encountered, and some of the semi-troll counter arguments in response (which I took part in I admit, though I was trying to show them how specious and hurtful the arguments were). Fortunately we don't see much of that often. We do see a decent amount of really passive aggressive shit-flinging still though.

 

[GamerSkull]

But the showy dumbass who turns out to be a great big dork does get with his childhood friend (Irvine and Selphie) And Zell does get with the pig-tailed(?) girl in the end, so that's blonde and dark brunette yet again.

We could probably go all night with this nonsense.

I’m all about that Edea love myself. Best girl.

Cid, you lucky dog!

 

[Empyrea]

Putting the edit I made here. Ryu's message was cut on the first page load (my internet is dumb today). I saw the entire message now. And I gotta say, these guys make correlations between even more tangential things than I can (I have difficulties staying on topic).

 

[starcape91]

Remember the blue babies?

 

[GamerSkull]

Remember the blue babies?

Is that a Mass Effect reference?

 

[Empyrea]

Remember the blue babies?

I do. Man, that was such a wild theory.

But you know what? I'll take that over the more distasteful theories they've made (that I heard about anyway).

 

[Empyrea]

Is that a Mass Effect reference?

I saw somewhere that the blue alien printed on the vending machine in Wall Market in Ch9 of Remake was proof that Cloud and Aerith would end up together and have babies.

 

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But the showy dumbass who turns out to be a great big dork does get with his childhood friend (Irvine and Selphie) And Zell does get with the pig-tailed(?) girl in the end, so that's blonde and dark brunette yet again.

We could probably go all night with this nonsense.

We playing the parallels game and no one called me? Rosa == childhood friend who makes out with MC, blows up the love triangle at the halfway point. Ka-boom.

 

[AncientGrimoire]

Love triangle aside, it’s always depressing when seeing the arguments that play out descend into outright misogyny when not only are Tifa and Aerith pitted against each other over Cloud’s affection, but also over which woman is the “right” type of woman to be.

Because there’s only one way to be apparently smdh

 

[GamerSkull]

There’s another. There’s Locke who accepts the passing of his first love and goes after Celes.

Depending on how you look at it, it’s either CA or CT.

Letting go of his first love, Tifa, to go after Aerith.

Letting go of Aerith, who dies, to go after Tifa.

 

[Ryushikaze]

We playing the parallels game and no one called me? Rosa == childhood friend who makes out with MC, blows up the love triangle at the halfway point. Ka-boom.

Way too sane and obvious man. We're talking crack evidence here.

 

[Empyrea]

There’s another. There’s Locke who accepts the passing of his first love and goes after Celes.

Depending on how you look at it, it’s either CA or CT.

Letting go of his first love, Tifa, to go after Aerith.

Letting go of Aerith, who dies, to go after Tifa.

Getting Locke back was really difficult for teen me. Phoenix Cave was such a pain in the ass xD That scene at the end was worth it, though. It was very beautiful.

 

[AncientGrimoire]

Cloud’s eyes are blue. Aerith’s eyes are green.

These colours are next to each other on the colour spectrum.

This means they’re canon.

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

One thing I always found hilariously funny though is people would insist in scenes that Cloud didn't like Aerith or Tifa in certain scenes of OG bc of his expression. When in OG literally everyone's face looks like

It's just hilarious I'm sorry.

 

[AncientGrimoire]

One thing I always found hilariously funny though is people would insist in scenes that Cloud didn't like Aerith or Tifa in certain scenes of OG bc of his expression. When in OG literally everyone's face looks like

It's just hilarious I'm sorry.

Soo expressionable

 

[Rose Alive]

I will say that CA is the only pairing I can think of where I "jumped" ship. I almost always go with the canon pairing---except ATLA. I will always ship Zuko and Katara (I still like Aang and Katara though).
Oh and Boys Over Flowers. Why didn't she pick Ji Hoo?

 

[LunarTarotGirl]

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Soo expressionable

Right?!! Look at him he's so angry!!

@Rose Alive I respect that. I ship the enemy canon ship in ATLA but can appreciate Zuutara. I think in the end we just gotta always see it as the story going one way doesn't mean all is lost and you can't enjoy your ship or favorite characters.

Cano is literally just the story. It doesn't mean it's better or worse. It's just what happened. If something else had happened it could also be good. But it just didn't and that's ok.

Sadly LTD makes people forget often we're not fighting over the better pair. We're just trying to figure out what happened.

And yeah on BoysOverFlowers I 100% agree.