SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[GamerSkull]

So, i pulled this comment off of a C/A vid.​

Insane point of view, I dont know where to begin.


thoughts?

Summed up with one word: Cope.

At this point, I’m convinced a lot of these people are only aware of the events of Disc 1.

Remember some of these people were being real smug when the NPTK trailer dropped and Clerith got an almost kiss. But now that it turned out to be bait and Cloti is the one that got the kiss, the narrative has shifted.

 

[Sacky]

So, i pulled this comment off of a C/A vid.​

Insane point of view, I dont know where to begin.


thoughts?

They don't understand that Tifa is Clouds anchor who keeps him together. Tifa, at the end of the game, is grieving silently, hence locking her emotions (Lockheart). Her not having a big part at the end, i disagree the game specifically focuses on Tifas grief, she has just lost her Best Friend again and is witnessing the boy she loves fall apart. The camera focuses on her a lot during the end, and it is her reaction that is the most sad to watch. The last person to get on the bronco apart from Cloud is Tifa and the game lingers on that. The reason Sephiroth is able to kill Aerith is because she had to be in a vulnerable position to pray. Also, Sephiroth can supress holy but why bother when he can stop it from the start. Which is why he tried draining or in my theory tricking Aerith into making her white materia empty. Contrary to popular belief, Sephiroth can't just teleport everywhere and kill anyone. Cloud completely shuts down into his catatonic state when he thinks hes harmed Tifa. The difference is Aerith was stabbed yet Tifa has fallen one is confirmed dead or dying, the other is missing. I don't think if Tifa did die, Cloud would ever be able to snap out of that state again.
If Cloud didn't act that way when Aerith died, the emotion wouldn't be there for the players but comparing death reactions is stupid anyway.
Since by that Logic Aeriths death has affected Barret more than Avalanches!

Lets look at Tifas Trauma from a story perspective

Tifas trauma is very much not noticed by people and players, and the reason is that she never speaks about it or shows it as clearly as other characters. The timeline for Tifa is
- Her mom dies and she tries to climb a mountain on a theory to see her that not even she believes. She ends up falling from a bridge and ending up in a coma

• Everyone of her friends ends up leaving the village, leaving her alone
• She found her dad dead and watched her village burn down

- She then gets almost killed by Sephiroth as a teenager

• wakes up with a scar. She has lost everything and is in a strange unfamiliar place.
• Then gets scammed and put into debt in the slums to a mob boss
• She then, with the help of Jessie and Avalanche, though also on her own has to learn at this young age how to survive in the slums and build a life there. (This is the same age Tifa we see at the Nibelhiem flashback let that sink in)
• Then, after successfully building a life, she finds the boy she loved, who she never thought would return alive but very unwell
• She starts to notice Cloud is very different, colder and having these strange headaches
• Cloud starts opening up to Tifa after the Jessie mission and she is overjoyed.
• On a mission Cloud Falls presumbly to his death. she has just failed to save her last part of childhood and the boy she loves.
• Later on she watches as her new home is destroyed. Her new friends are killed.Jessie her best friend is killed and she watches her die (Remind you of an event from her childhood)
• She blames herself for not preventing avalanche from going too far against shinra. While also being apart of the group that caused Shinra to destroy the sector.
• Barret mistakes her depression for anger
  • Tifa shows Cloud her scar since he doesnt think she is real a very personal and uncomfortable moment
  • Cloud almost kills her while under Sephiroths influence and she almost drowns in Mako
  • Cloud under influence of Sephiroth starts rejecting her comfort and words, and shoves her. Even with this she still tries
  to hold onto him with the whispers being forced to hold her back from getting to him.
• Skipping to the end of Rebirth after losing her home and her friends. She forms a bond with Aerith and then once again

watches as her friend is murdered and the boy she loves in denial about it. Smiling as if nothing happens. and slowly going insane which she may think is because of the new twist of Rebirth for new players not Zack but the solider degradation.
They have replaced new players mystery about Zack with New players thinking Cloud is degrading. It seems a lot of OG players don't get this and just complain that the Zack twist is too obvious.
But anyway the point is at the end of the game Tifa is Broken completely. She doesn't have the comfort of Cloud since hes going insane and in denial. She doesn't know how to help him at all and cant even focus on that AS Her best Friend has died Again! she is in a cruel twist of Fate reliving her trauma again for the 3rd time in a row. Shes effectively shocked into silence and just drfiting along with the group. Throughout the whole game shes always had something to say or been keeping the group focused. Thats why the focus is on her at the end of Rebirth; the camera is showing you that Tifa is essentially helpless and directionless at this point in the story. Shes given up.
Everytime Tifa gains happiness, something comes and rips it away and kills it (miracle: she doesn't go insane herself like Sephiroth)

She's one of the more tragic characters, but people don't see that since, like her name she locks her emotions.
some people like the one who made that comment also don't see it though, since they think this story is Just about Cloud and Aerith

 

[hytekz]

Summed up with one word: Cope.

At this point, I’m convinced a lot of these people are only aware of the events of Disc 1.

Remember some of these people were being real smug when the NPTK trailer dropped and Clerith got an almost kiss. But now that it turned out to be bait and Cloti is the one that got the kiss, the narrative has shifted.

That's why I'm kinda waiting for the Ultimania, there is no way it won't be addressed and because it is a kiss they can't just overlook it. Not that it won't change the mind of those kind of people but I really want to see the dev point of view on this scene.

 

[GamerSkull]

That's why I'm kinda waiting for the Ultimania, there is no way it won't be addressed and because it is a kiss they can't just overlook it. Not that it won't change the mind of those kind of people but I really want to see the dev point of view on this scene.

That fair but ultimately, if they can twist it now then they will definitely twist it again once the Ultimania is out.

But like you said, at that point we would have developer confirmation so it would be hard to refute.

Hopefully, the western release of the Ultimania won’t take a billion years.

 

[Graymouse]

They don't understand that Tifa is Clouds anchor who keeps him together. Tifa, at the end of the game, is grieving silently, hence locking her emotions (Lockheart). Her not having a big part at the end, i disagree the game specifically focuses on Tifas grief, she has just lost her Best Friend again and is witnessing the boy she loves fall apart. The camera focuses on her a lot during the end, and it is her reaction that is the most sad to watch. The last person to get on the bronco apart from Cloud is Tifa and the game lingers on that. The reason Sephiroth is able to kill Aerith is because she had to be in a vulnerable position to pray. Also, Sephiroth can supress holy but why bother when he can stop it from the start. Which is why he tried draining or in my theory tricking Aerith into making her white materia empty. Contrary to popular belief, Sephiroth can't just teleport everywhere and kill anyone. Cloud completely shuts down into his catatonic state when he thinks hes harmed Tifa. The difference is Aerith was stabbed yet Tifa has fallen one is confirmed dead or dying, the other is missing. I don't think if Tifa did die, Cloud would ever be able to snap out of that state again.
If Cloud didn't act that way when Aerith died, the emotion wouldn't be there for the players but comparing death reactions is stupid anyway.
Since by that Logic Aeriths death has affected Barret more than Avalanches!

Lets look at Tifas Trauma from a story perspective

Tifas trauma is very much not noticed by people and players, and the reason is that she never speaks about it or shows it as clearly as other characters. The timeline for Tifa is
- She found her dad dead and watched her village burn down
- She then gets almost killed by sephiroth as a teenager

• wakes up with a scar. She has lost everything and is in a strange unfamiliar place.
• Then gets scammed and put into debt in the slums to a mob boss
• She then, with the help of Jessie and Avalanche, though also on her own has to learn at this young age how to survive in the slums

and build a life here.

• Then after successfully building a life, she finds the boy she loved, who she never thought would return alive but very unwell
• She starts to notice Cloud is very different, colder and having these strange headaches
• Cloud starts opening up to Tifa after the Jessie mission and she is overjoyed.
• On a mission Cloud Falls presumbly to his death. she has just failed to save her last part of childhood and the boy she loves.
• Later on she watches as her new home is destroyed. Her new friends are killed. (Remind you of an event from her childhood)
• She blames herself for not preventing avalanche from going to far against shinra. While also being apart of the group that caused Shinra to destroy the sector.
• Barret mistakes her depression for anger
• Skipping to the end of Rebirth after losing her home and her friends. She forms a bond with Aerith and then once again

watches as her friend is murdered and the boy she loves in denial about it. Smiling as if nothing happens. and slowly going insane which she may think is because of the new twist of Rebirth for new players not Zack but the solider degradation.
They have replaced new players mystery about Zack with New players thinking Cloud is degrading. It seems a lot of OG players don't get this and just complain that the Zack twist is too obvious.
But anway the point is at the end of the game Tifa is Broken completely. She doesn't have the comfort of Cloud since hes going insane and in denial. She doens't know how to help him at all and cant even focus on that AS Her best Friend has died Again! she is in a cruel twist of Fate reliving her trauma again for the 3rd time in a row. Shes effectively shocked into silence and just drfiting along with the group. Throughout the whole game shes always had something to say or been keeping the group focused. Thats why the focus is on her at the end of Rebirth; the camera is showing you that Tifa is essentially helpless and directionless at this point in the story. Shes given up.
Everytime Tifa gains happiness, something comes and rips it away and kills it

She's one of the more tragic characters, but people don't see that since, like her name she locks her emotions.
some people like the one who made that comment also don't see it though, since they think this story is Just about Cloud and Aerith

Great analysis, I couldn't have said it any better!

 

[hytekz]

That fair but ultimately, if they can twist it now then they will definitely twist it again once the Ultimania is out.

But like you said, at that point we would have developer confirmation so it would be hard to refute.

Hopefully, the western release of the Ultimania won’t take a billion years.

Seeing how the release of the Remake Ultimania Plus has been pushed back again...

 

[Stiggie]

So, i pulled this comment off of a C/A vid.​

Insane point of view, I dont know where to begin.


thoughts?

"Kill the person who cloud cherishes most"

"Tell me what you cherish most, give me the pleasure of taking it away"
- sephiroth

"I pity you, you just don't get it at all, there's nothing I don't cherish"
- Cloud

Cleriths are literally Sephiroth

 

[GamerSkull]

Seeing how the release of the Remake Ultimania Plus has been pushed back again...

Yeah, wonder what the hold-up. At this rate, we’ll get the Rebirth Ultimania when Part 3 comes out.

Cleriths are literally Sephiroth

Well, they’re both pretty good at gaslighting

 

[LNK]

The YouTuber Welonz felt this way too. Her reaction was priceless. She was like “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”

Cloud fumbled so hard.

But it makes sense he did fumble. Dude's trying to play it cool, and drifting to LA LA land

 

[Stiggie]

They don't understand that Tifa is Clouds anchor who keeps him together. Tifa, at the end of the game, is grieving silently, hence locking her emotions (Lockheart). Her not having a big part at the end, i disagree the game specifically focuses on Tifas grief, she has just lost her Best Friend again and is witnessing the boy she loves fall apart. The camera focuses on her a lot during the end, and it is her reaction that is the most sad to watch. The last person to get on the bronco apart from Cloud is Tifa and the game lingers on that. The reason Sephiroth is able to kill Aerith is because she had to be in a vulnerable position to pray. Also, Sephiroth can supress holy but why bother when he can stop it from the start. Which is why he tried draining or in my theory tricking Aerith into making her white materia empty. Contrary to popular belief, Sephiroth can't just teleport everywhere and kill anyone. Cloud completely shuts down into his catatonic state when he thinks hes harmed Tifa. The difference is Aerith was stabbed yet Tifa has fallen one is confirmed dead or dying, the other is missing. I don't think if Tifa did die, Cloud would ever be able to snap out of that state again.
If Cloud didn't act that way when Aerith died, the emotion wouldn't be there for the players but comparing death reactions is stupid anyway.
Since by that Logic Aeriths death has affected Barret more than Avalanches!

Lets look at Tifas Trauma from a story perspective

Tifas trauma is very much not noticed by people and players, and the reason is that she never speaks about it or shows it as clearly as other characters. The timeline for Tifa is
- She found her dad dead and watched her village burn down
- She then gets almost killed by sephiroth as a teenager

• wakes up with a scar. She has lost everything and is in a strange unfamiliar place.
• Then gets scammed and put into debt in the slums to a mob boss
• She then, with the help of Jessie and Avalanche, though also on her own has to learn at this young age how to survive in the slums

and build a life here.

• Then after successfully building a life, she finds the boy she loved, who she never thought would return alive but very unwell
• She starts to notice Cloud is very different, colder and having these strange headaches
• Cloud starts opening up to Tifa after the Jessie mission and she is overjoyed.
• On a mission Cloud Falls presumbly to his death. she has just failed to save her last part of childhood and the boy she loves.
• Later on she watches as her new home is destroyed. Her new friends are killed. (Remind you of an event from her childhood)
• She blames herself for not preventing avalanche from going to far against shinra. While also being apart of the group that caused Shinra to destroy the sector.
• Barret mistakes her depression for anger
• Skipping to the end of Rebirth after losing her home and her friends. She forms a bond with Aerith and then once again

watches as her friend is murdered and the boy she loves in denial about it. Smiling as if nothing happens. and slowly going insane which she may think is because of the new twist of Rebirth for new players not Zack but the solider degradation.
They have replaced new players mystery about Zack with New players thinking Cloud is degrading. It seems a lot of OG players don't get this and just complain that the Zack twist is too obvious.
But anway the point is at the end of the game Tifa is Broken completely. She doesn't have the comfort of Cloud since hes going insane and in denial. She doens't know how to help him at all and cant even focus on that AS Her best Friend has died Again! she is in a cruel twist of Fate reliving her trauma again for the 3rd time in a row. Shes effectively shocked into silence and just drfiting along with the group. Throughout the whole game shes always had something to say or been keeping the group focused. Thats why the focus is on her at the end of Rebirth; the camera is showing you that Tifa is essentially helpless and directionless at this point in the story. Shes given up.
Everytime Tifa gains happiness, something comes and rips it away and kills it

She's one of the more tragic characters, but people don't see that since, like her name she locks her emotions.
some people like the one who made that comment also don't see it though, since they think this story is Just about Cloud and Aerith

You perfectly put into words the thing that I've been struggling to put into words most. For me the facial expressions and silence of tifa at the end were the most important parts of the ending, they told an entire story without words, and you just supplied the words.

 

[Ryushikaze]

They don't understand that Tifa is Clouds anchor who keeps him together. Tifa, at the end of the game, is grieving silently, hence locking her emotions (Lockheart). Her not having a big part at the end, i disagree the game specifically focuses on Tifas grief, she has just lost her Best Friend again and is witnessing the boy she loves fall apart. The camera focuses on her a lot during the end, and it is her reaction that is the most sad to watch. The last person to get on the bronco apart from Cloud is Tifa and the game lingers on that. The reason Sephiroth is able to kill Aerith is because she had to be in a vulnerable position to pray. Also, Sephiroth can supress holy but why bother when he can stop it from the start. Which is why he tried draining or in my theory tricking Aerith into making her white materia empty. Contrary to popular belief, Sephiroth can't just teleport everywhere and kill anyone. Cloud completely shuts down into his catatonic state when he thinks hes harmed Tifa. The difference is Aerith was stabbed yet Tifa has fallen one is confirmed dead or dying, the other is missing. I don't think if Tifa did die, Cloud would ever be able to snap out of that state again.
If Cloud didn't act that way when Aerith died, the emotion wouldn't be there for the players but comparing death reactions is stupid anyway.
Since by that Logic Aeriths death has affected Barret more than Avalanches!

Lets look at Tifas Trauma from a story perspective

Tifas trauma is very much not noticed by people and players, and the reason is that she never speaks about it or shows it as clearly as other characters. The timeline for Tifa is
- She found her dad dead and watched her village burn down
- She then gets almost killed by sephiroth as a teenager

• wakes up with a scar. She has lost everything and is in a strange unfamiliar place.
• Then gets scammed and put into debt in the slums to a mob boss
• She then, with the help of Jessie and Avalanche, though also on her own has to learn at this young age how to survive in the slums

and build a life here.

• Then after successfully building a life, she finds the boy she loved, who she never thought would return alive but very unwell
• She starts to notice Cloud is very different, colder and having these strange headaches
• Cloud starts opening up to Tifa after the Jessie mission and she is overjoyed.
• On a mission Cloud Falls presumbly to his death. she has just failed to save her last part of childhood and the boy she loves.
• Later on she watches as her new home is destroyed. Her new friends are killed. (Remind you of an event from her childhood)
• She blames herself for not preventing avalanche from going to far against shinra. While also being apart of the group that caused Shinra to destroy the sector.
• Barret mistakes her depression for anger
• Skipping to the end of Rebirth after losing her home and her friends. She forms a bond with Aerith and then once again

watches as her friend is murdered and the boy she loves in denial about it. Smiling as if nothing happens. and slowly going insane which she may think is because of the new twist of Rebirth for new players not Zack but the solider degradation.
They have replaced new players mystery about Zack with New players thinking Cloud is degrading. It seems a lot of OG players don't get this and just complain that the Zack twist is too obvious.
But anway the point is at the end of the game Tifa is Broken completely. She doesn't have the comfort of Cloud since hes going insane and in denial. She doens't know how to help him at all and cant even focus on that AS Her best Friend has died Again! she is in a cruel twist of Fate reliving her trauma again for the 3rd time in a row. Shes effectively shocked into silence and just drfiting along with the group. Throughout the whole game shes always had something to say or been keeping the group focused. Thats why the focus is on her at the end of Rebirth; the camera is showing you that Tifa is essentially helpless and directionless at this point in the story. Shes given up.
Everytime Tifa gains happiness, something comes and rips it away and kills it

She's one of the more tragic characters, but people don't see that since, like her name she locks her emotions.
some people like the one who made that comment also don't see it though, since they think this story is Just about Cloud and Aerith

You didn't even list all the horrific things, even.
Don't forget, this is her second best friend dying a horrific death two weeks after the other one (Jessie) did.

"Kill the person who cloud cherishes most"

"Tell me what you cherish most, give me the pleasure of taking it away"
- sephiroth

"I pity you, you just don't get it at all, there's nothing I don't cherish"
- Cloud

Cleriths are literally Sephiroth

Worth pointing out that that's what future knowledge riftiroth tried to do by slashing Tifa in the Gongaga reactor once he realized his gaslighting attempts failed, going so far as to exert power assuming direct control to do so.

 

[c.lupara]

Right now I think I'm going crazy;

I took a look around X/reddit/4chan and what I read made me question whether I had played the same game.


To be sure:


Tifa ->

1) The whole Kalm part is the beginning of all the deepening between her and Cloud;

2) The scene at the inn is its most natural development with the clarification between the 2;

3) All of Gongaga is the backdrop to the "non-optional" climax between her and Cloud;


Aerith->

1?) The dream scene which, rather than being romantic, is a reminder of how much better the date between her and Zack was than the latter with Cloud.



To add: in Gongaga after C/T/A talking about Zack it only seemed to me that Cloud, when leaving, looked more towards Tifa? I mean the camera made me think this.


So in conclusion, am I going crazy or were these actually the key events between the 3 in this game?

 

[null]

Yeah, twitter tends to be a cesspool, thread after thread explaining and recontextualizing those things that are actually self-evident. It's a place where a kiss means less than touching hands: ever hear about "holy palmer's kiss" used outside of Shakespeare? No? Well, you will now.

You'd think that, often, the simplest route from A to B is the correct answer - anywhere else, you'd probably be right, but not on ship-war-twitter.

Is this real? Did they just take a metaphor for coming together for a kiss and use it to argue tsunagi supremacy? Was their takeaway that Romeo thinks touching palms is more romantic than kissing? Do they know YouTube is free with ads?

Is this officially the funniest LTD spray and pray? Has koi_bito been dethroned after nearly 2 decades as the champ?

 

[hytekz]

One more funny thing about the lifestream sequence in Rebirth, if we are to believe that there is a "meta" Aerith controlling the white whispers, it's that it's her that is showing Tifa those memories. So Aerith is ,herself, trying to deepen even more Cloud and Tifa relationship.

 

[Sacky]

Right now I think I'm going crazy;

I took a look around X/reddit/4chan and what I read made me question whether I had played the same game.


To be sure:


Tifa ->

1) The whole Kalm part is the beginning of all the deepening between her and Cloud;

2) The scene at the inn is its most natural development with the clarification between the 2;

3) All of Gongaga is the backdrop to the "non-optional" climax between her and Cloud;


Aerith->

1?) The dream scene which, rather than being romantic, is a reminder of how much better the date between her and Zack was than the latter with Cloud.



To add: in Gongaga after C/T/A talking about Zack it only seemed to me that Cloud, when leaving, looked more towards Tifa? I mean the camera made me think this.


So in conclusion, am I going crazy or were these actually the key events between the 3 in this game?

Nope it seems they have played different games than us i swear XD
I can't be sure, but I think "another time then". Cloud is actually meaning Tifa since he wants to have that chat they mentioned in the inn.(camera pov follows Tifa?)
Which They do, but only after the Gongaga reactor events.

 

[Ryeleigh]

It would be equivalent to Aerith being completely gone now that she's dead, and the game suddenly revealing that Aerith actually WASN'T an ancient, it was actually Tifa, and then having Tifa cast holy, stop meteor, kill Sephiroth, and save the planet. "But why are people not allowed to step back and let someone else take care of the problem, it's not like the only value a person has is being an ancient, Barret isn't an ancient and he still matters". We immediately see now how hollow that retort is. How much of a character assassination would that be of Aerith? What kind of a sad nothing character would that make her? She would be Tifas bitch if that happened, it would be disgusting. The EXACT same thing applies in reverse.

There are already Aerith fans who are mad about "the things SE keeps taking away from her": selling flowers, pink, Holy, personality, Cloud's love interest, etc. And then ironically, they call Tifa a minor character who should get back into the kitchen after helping Cloud regain his sense of self -- I mean, who should find agency and self-actualisation as something other than Cloud's Love Interest. But again, she's a character. In a story. So if her role is Cloud's Love Interest, the girl who stays by his side till the end, then? Write fan fics where it isn't so? Instead of getting mad at SE and the story?

On that note, just to leave my two cents, I interpret that line in 3 ways: meta, in-character, and a fumble. Aerith had been knocking on the 4th wall in remake at points, so she could very well be telling that to the audience. In-character, I took it as her telling herself that. And if she's telling herself that, it has to mean that she's convincing herself of it and hasn't actually done so because it would be a fumble otherwise. If she has indeed moved on, then her saying that is essentially the writers telling us her arc without showing it, and I wanna think they're better than that, what with the rest of writing has shown us.

I think Aerith's memorial speech (can't remember what it's actually called), NPTK, and her character overall tell us that she feels stuck. She wants to move on -- especially when you consider how she must feel stuck in a limbo -- but she can't. So "gotta look forward, not back" is something she probably keeps repeating to herself as a way of convincing herself to do exactly that -- and then she latches onto a guy who is basically a copy of her boyfriend, lol.

 

[Stiggie]

Right now I think I'm going crazy;

I took a look around X/reddit/4chan and what I read made me question whether I had played the same game.


To be sure:


Tifa ->

1) The whole Kalm part is the beginning of all the deepening between her and Cloud;

2) The scene at the inn is its most natural development with the clarification between the 2;

3) All of Gongaga is the backdrop to the "non-optional" climax between her and Cloud;


Aerith->

1?) The dream scene which, rather than being romantic, is a reminder of how much better the date between her and Zack was than the latter with Cloud.



To add: in Gongaga after C/T/A talking about Zack it only seemed to me that Cloud, when leaving, looked more towards Tifa? I mean the camera made me think this.


So in conclusion, am I going crazy or were these actually the key events between the 3 in this game?

4chan is arguing in favor of clerith? I haven't gone there to see what's being said but I'd expect them to be smarter than that. X and twitter I can imagine, but on 4chan, where you can say anything, people are usually not afraid to call out bullshit

 

[Someonesbunny]

Is this real? Did they just take a metaphor for coming together for a kiss and use it to argue tsunagi supremacy? Was their takeaway that Romeo thinks touching palms is more romantic than kissing? Do they know YouTube is free with ads?

Is this officially the funniest LTD spray and pray? Has koi_bito been dethroned after nearly 2 decades as the champ?

I'm pretty sure this started with the Corneo Colosseum high-five in 2020 and was briefly revived after the first kiss leaks started making its way through the forums (because perhaps we should remember that CA shared a "kiss" back in Remake). I'm not quite sure how this continued to survive, but it may be as funny as Summer and Winter monkeys.

 

[Jane Fane]

Ugh, "people are allowed to move on after their first love" has got to be one of the dumbest straw man arguments in LTD. Just a way for CAs to feel like they have the more mature take over CT, honestly. It's not that people en masse can't appreciate a "moving on" theme, it's that clearly, FFVII ain't that story.

I mean damn, millions of people were tuned in for The Mother when HIMYM was at its peak, and that's because the story had set her up for years as the ultimate Last Girl Wins trope. But then the writers bamboozled everyone by making Ted go back to Robin, one of the biggest fumbles in TV history.

FFVII, by contrast, has never set up Aerith as the Last Girls Wins. If anything, it did everything it could to set up Tifa as the First Girl Wins.

 

[Stiggie]

Ugh, "people are allowed to move on after their first love" has got to be one of the dumbest straw man arguments in LTD. Just a way for CAs to feel like they have the more mature take over CT, honestly. It's not that people en masse can't appreciate a "moving on" theme, it's that clearly, FFVII ain't that story.

I mean damn, millions of people were tuned in for The Mother when HIMYM was at its peak, and that's because the story had set her up for years as the ultimate Last Girl Wins trope. But then the writers bamboozled everyone by making Ted go back to Robin, one of the biggest fumbles in TV history.

FFVII, by contrast, has never set up Aerith as the Last Girls Wins. If anything, it did everything it could to set up Tifa as the First Girl Wins.

Perfect analogy, thank you, I'm stealing it...wait, i actually think i may have made the same comparison in the past, its so accurate.

Thing is, I actually thought the HIMYM twist was quite clever in concept. The problem is that reality got in the way of it. If the show had been SEVERAL seasons shorter and had properly focused on Ted and Robin as being this perfect star-crossed couple where everyone feels like they should be together and is upset that they're not, then I totally believe the twist could work.

But the story became too popular, too many seasons were forced through, Robin and Ted were too deeply explored and shown to just be friends, her relationship with barney was too set-up and likable, the identity of the mother became too much of an investment and when she was introduced the chemistry was too good. And as a result, no, Ted and Robin are not allowed to move on and end up with each other, because while it's a clever twist that momentary spark of "oeh clever" is overshadowed by the sensation of everything we've seen the past 6 seasons being essentially a meaningless waste of time.


It's scarily similar to ffvii.

 

[Someonesbunny]

To get around that connection with Tifa, however, CA needs to assert that ultimately it doesn't matter. The Lifestream sequence, under the Highwind, supplementary material, ACC and DOC, these are all dismissed at the stroke of a pen because they directly discredit the ship.

To add to this point, I think it's also quite apt to go back to this "optional" argument since the claim that "it doesn't change anything narratively" is being used as evidence optional scenes mean nothing, despite the fact that "not changing anything narratively" actually only goes to prove that all of the dates fit the story regardless of which one is chosen. Tifa getting a kiss fits just as much as Aerith not getting one and being emotionally confused.

 

[GamerSkull]

Just saw a take that said that CT fans don’t actually care for their ship and are just self-inserting as either Cloud or Tifa.

The projection.

 

[Hellenic]

To add: in Gongaga after C/T/A talking about Zack it only seemed to me that Cloud, when leaving, looked more towards Tifa? I mean the camera made me think this.

I assumed this was him attempting to have the one on one talk with her that they talked about in Under Junon before, but he decides against it. We then do get it after the story happenings in there anyway after Tifas Lifestream experience.

 

[liuliuliu]

So, i pulled this comment off of a C/A vid.​

Insane point of view, I dont know where to begin.


thoughts?

Don’t know where to start…did they not see Sephiroth acting like a high school gossip girl the entire game just to wedge between Cloud and Tifa?

 

[AncientGrimoire]

That fair but ultimately, if they can twist it now then they will definitely twist it again once the Ultimania is out.

But like you said, at that point we would have developer confirmation so it would be hard to refute.

Hopefully, the western release of the Ultimania won’t take a billion years.

I’m already preemptively exhausted from when the Ultimania’s come out, and we get Rebirth’s era of mistranslations, cherry picked contexts, and outright omissions or fabrications.

I can already tell the usual bad faith actors are getting warmed up ready for Round 2 of

“Suddenly Everybody Is An Expert On The Japanese Language And It’s Culture”