SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[GamerSkull]

I'm trying to think of a modern T-rated game, particularly one developed by Square, that handles sexual themes. Might give us insight on how the highwind scene will be portrayed.

The pessimist in me is saying it won't be as strongly implied as some of you are hoping. That we'll just see a make-out session and the screen will fade to black.

Make-out is honestly all we need for it be definitively canon so I’m okay with it.

At the end of the day, I’ll take definitive LTD-killing scene even if it’s not a sex scene.

 

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Aslo I feel the same every time when I see the claim that Aerith is sexual harassment Cloud and her act is creepy if gender reversed. Surely that is true in real life, but this is a fantasy game with so much content that they struggled to put in 3 discs. They can’t have Aerith and Cloud took 3 months to warm up and finally can speak with each other without apologizing first…the game will go nowhere if they do that.

I guess to me "creepy" means skirting around consent, whether it's unwanted looking, touching or just maneuvering someone in a way they're not on board with. Two people can do the same thing but only one ends up being the creep. It's all up to the object, not the subject.

But Cloud is so damn awkward that sometimes it's hard to tell what he's ok with. This thing where he pouts and grunts while going along with it, is that supposed to be cute? Like when Aerith pats the seat next to her, and he grunts and sits across from her instead. Bro this is your HA date. You wanna be here or not?

 

[billy22]

Final Fantasy 14 is rated T and makes frequent mentions of forced prostitution and brothels. You can also obviously unequip clothing and run around in your underwear. Some of the female boss models are "anime topless". I think for a T rating, implying things with dialogue is fair game. Waking up topless under sheets, but not showing anything is probably as far as they can push a T-rating.

Being naked out in the open like FF16 would call for M17+. Comparing FF16 and Rebirth sales also opens up an interesting discussion. Does the rating even matter?

As always you have to put these things into context. There is a difference, at least in perception, between Square's defined, poster hero-characters doing the nasty, and some unnamed avatar characters running around in their underwear and a brothel getting mentioned. Case in point- this game doesn't let me run around as Tifa or Aerith in their underwear.

I agree that being nude under the blankets should be good enough for T. Just can't think of when Square ever did that in a modern game. Or most modern T-rated games.

Make-out is honestly all we need for it be definitively canon so I’m okay with it.

But it's optional. Not my Cloud.

 

[liuliuliu]

Based on the increase of blood in part 2, as well as some of the more crude dialogue and what they've apparently done in FFXVI, I'd say there is a good chance they'll be more explicit in part 3 than in the OG. Almost have to be tbh or it'd be weird.

Anyway, I have a question, I heard someone say that with Barrets date the first 4 notes of Tifas theme starts playing. Can someone who believes that give me a time stamp where that supposedly happens for the following video? Would like to check if I agree but I can't hear it so thought a more focuses listen might help.

i dont know about the music, but Barret’s expression when he said “go for it sometimes” is just brilliant. It is so human.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

i dont know about the music, but Barret’s expression when he said “go for it sometimes” is just brilliant. It is so human.

TBF, that's every expression Barret makes. His snide sneer when dealing with " uncaring merc" is palpable. His anguish when dealing with Dyne or Myrna, his resignation in North Corel? Writ large on his face. His surprised, touched feels when telling Cloud he's starting to believe Cloud might really be here for him? It's all gold.

I may be biased though as a 40 year old dad, I love all of FFVII's cast but Barret is the one I'd go grab a beer with

 

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TBF, that's every expression Barret makes. His snide sneer when dealing with " uncaring merc" is palpable. His anguish when dealing with Dyne or Myrna, his resignation in North Corel? Writ large on his face. His surprised, touched feels when telling Cloud he's starting to believe Cloud might really be here for him? It's all gold.

I may be biased though as a 40 year old dad, I love all of FFVII's cast but Barret is the one I'd go grab a beer with

Barret, Biggs, Sam and Cid, that is my beer dream team.

Scotch with Reeve

 

[Someonesbunny]

Not for nothing, but there's also a fair few folks who are pretty sure Willy S was making a masturbation joke at the same time. Shakespeare is thick of perverted jokes, even in his tragedies.

Ah, so the love interest was Madam M all along. She’s got it all: aggressive hand-holding action and all the innuendo of a happy ending.

Isn’t that what we all want? A happy ending?

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Barret, Biggs, Sam and Cid, that is my beer dream team.

Scotch with Reeve

While we're at it I wanna get out my cocktail shaker, my muddler, the whole nine yards and swap cocktails with Tifa, and smoke cigars with Cid.

This is way more fun than debating who Chocobutt loves.

 

[liuliuliu]

TBF, that's every expression Barret makes. His snide sneer when dealing with " uncaring merc" is palpable. His anguish when dealing with Dyne or Myrna, his resignation in North Corel? Writ large on his face. His surprised, touched feels when telling Cloud he's starting to believe Cloud might really be here for him? It's all gold.

I may be biased though as a 40 year old dad, I love all of FFVII's cast but Barret is the one I'd go grab a beer with

I mean the improvement from technology side though. I guess because of lip sync, game characters mouth movement always feel a little off to me. This one specifically feel like he is talking, like talking like a real person.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Oh I feel you, this game's facial expressions are miles past what I'm used to seeing but that one in particular isn't gold, it's platinum.

 

[hytekz]

Twitter "For You" tab hurts my brain :

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[GamerSkull]

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Are people really incapable of understanding what’s going on when Cloud brings up Zack during the Gold Saucer date? He’s simply following up on what he talked to Tifa about, there’s no jealousy whatsoever in his inquiry.

And this interlocking fingers being more romantic than a kiss has gotta be the biggest fucking cope I’ve ever seen. Coming from the same people who were so smug when the Game Awards trailer dropped. They’ve so utterly lost that they are perpetual denial.

It’s one thing to prefer Clerith, I have no issues with that. It’s quite another to bend the story and invent bullshit. Cloud could literally say “I love you and only you, Tifa” and these people would hear that and go “Okay, but he held Aerith’s hand.” Absolutely embarrassing.

Side note: I love how these people are suddenly experts on what’s more romantic in Japan. /s

 

[Graymouse]

Since after Rebirth it seems this thread has become a C/T echo chamber?

Edited to add:

Wish we can get more engagement from C/A for more discussions.

 

[GamerSkull]

Since after Rebirth it seems this thread has become a C/T echo chamber?

I actually kinda agree. I actually wish more CA fans would come. I’d enjoy respectfully chatting with them.

As long as they don’t make stuff up.

 

[Graymouse]

I actually kinda agree. I actually wish more CA fans would come. I’d enjoy respectfully chatting with them.

As long as they don’t make stuff up.

I think I ninja'ed myself in my edit!

 

[thetriplerhyme]

Are people really incapable of understanding what’s going on when Cloud brings up Zack during the Gold Saucer date? He’s simply following up on what he talked to Tifa about, there’s no jealousy whatsoever in his inquiry.

- there is always been a comprehension of understanding when it comes to reading on the other side. Particularly anything against their believes... we called it 'optional reading and understanding" its a little disease they all have especially to those die hards.

- Others are just no brainer who watch youtube compilation you know that stuff~

 

[GamerSkull]

- there is always been a comprehension of understanding when it comes to reading on the other side. Particularly anything against their believes... we called it 'optional reading and understanding" its a little disease they all have especially to those die hards.

- Others are just no brainer who watch youtube compilation you know that stuff~

Thing is, I’m willing to bet there a lot of CA fans who just prefer them because they find them cuter and don't twist the story. Which is totally fine. We have a few of them who have been taking part in this thread recently. We need more.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Just leaving this here. I hope Part 3 adapts this sequence properly and it’s not just locked away in a grindy gacha game cause this scene is too important.

I know this was like 50 pages ago but this forum has been so dead you'd think Sephiroth caught it praying for Holy So I've been going through stuff I missed, liking old posts, and found this one. Thank you for posting it here Grim, I would likely never have seen it on my own (not the sorta thing my algorithm finds for me) and I loved it. What does Cloud cling to, to convince himself he's still him?

"I have to help her." My feels...

 

[thetriplerhyme]

Side note: I love how these people are suddenly experts on what’s more romantic in Japan. /s

- exactly~ MY friend whose in JP said " international C/A are ridiculous its true that helding hards is different thing but I held hands with my friends too ~ A kiss definitely different though.. you dont just kiss anyone. "

- this is why they're calling it 'optional' because it can or cannot happen - they cannot exactly diss the kiss so they're trying to do it on different way. Pathetic actually hehehe

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

Speaking of very twee names, Lana, Lois, Lorie...

Luthor... Ok I'll stop reacting to shit people said weeks ago. For now.

 

[Graymouse]

- exactly~ MY friend whose in JP said " international C/A are ridiculous its true that helding hards is different thing but I held hands with my friends too ~ A kiss definitely different though.. you dont just kiss anyone. "

- this is why they're calling it 'optional' because it can or cannot happen - they cannot exactly diss the kiss so they're trying to do it on different way. Pathetic actually hehehe

I can 100% verify that holding hands in public in Japan doesn't necessarily mean they are having sex or in a relationship for that matter. I have seen many people (when I go out) holding hands all the time. My daughter holds hands with her friends all the time when they go out. Holding hands is not exclusive to being in a romantic relationship.

 

[Empyrea]

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Thank goodness I don't go there, then
Also, why are they scare quoting love? Is it a silent admission that they know it can be platonic?

All jokes aside, I would love to know sometimes how these people can come up with a story that's a few steps shy of being as brain-melting as Fifty Shades. That's actually...pretty amazing.

Since after Rebirth it seems this thread has become a C/T echo chamber?

Well, I think the issue is the discussion here is about canon and less preference. Other CAs like Sakura probably find that there's not really much discussion to be had there?

 

[cgnVirtue]

Since after Rebirth it seems this thread has become a C/T echo chamber?

Edited to add:

Wish we can get more engagement from C/A for more discussions.

This is kind of funny because I joined this forum to get away from CA echo chambers.
To be honest I think it’s a fault within the way that the most vocal CAs operate that drives them away, I don’t think it’s anything to do with us.

Well, I think the issue is the discussion here is about canon and less preference. Other CAs like Sakura probably find that there's not really much discussion to be had there?

And it’s because of this right here, I think. I actually can’t find a single space willing to collaborate according to canon and critical analysis because all of it in public spaces is skewed by shipping. I’ve tried both Twitter and Reddit and it seems like it doesn’t matter where you go, shippers will brigade a thread and have their little armies like their replies. It’s infuriating, especially when all they care about is how certain elements can service their own ship. Recently it seems like it’s more on the CA side, perhaps because of the increasing amount of attention CT is getting from Rebirth. And the more people that finish Rebirth, it will just keep increasing.

But anyway, to return to my first point and build off of the canon point, the most passionate CAs are just not willing to discuss what’s canon in good faith. At this point they kind of can’t, given how explicitly pushy the narrative is toward CT and how it’s likely to continue and intensify. As much as it would be interesting, in theory, to add the perspective of a CA, unfortunately most of them aren’t interested in discussing the plot or the LTD in any meaningful way. If they were, they wouldn’t be in denial about… the plot.

 

[thetriplerhyme]

Honestly my earnest wish in part 3 is just like OG Aerith less communication with party ( particularly Cloud?) and just focus on her duties in LS since there seems to a lot of work needs to be done there. I wanna feel her 'absence' just like in OG cuz her death seems like a horror movie than sad.

I want part 3 to focus on Cloti and Zerith alone - hopefully we'll be fulfilled once finale has been released.

Aerith has been given her moments before the kebabs part I'm hoping the same will be given to part 3 since that's gonna be Tifa's now once she returns back the real Cloud.

 

[AncientGrimoire]

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Notice how in this scenario of theirs that they’ve invented in their mad lab, Cloud is an absolute jerk?

Like not spiky McJerkface jerk.

An actual terrible, hurtful, spiteful jerk who gets bitterly jealous and rebound kisses another girl. To what end? Hopefully make Aerith jealous?!

Oh how romantic! I’m actually swooning over this beautiful star-crossed lovers epic tale of romance and love

In every scenario they are inventing in order to make their ship work, it’s at such an extreme detriment to the characters, turning them into their literal exact opposites. Like it’s not enough they have to make poor Aerith a zombie in order to make Clerith work, but poor Cloud might as well be one too since apparently he’s not allowed any autonomy or decency in their scenario.

There’s coping, and then there is the complete lack of self awareness to realise that you are turning your preferred characters in your preferred pairing into awful people just to facilitate a “romance” that is founded on jealousy, rebound kisses, deceit, and hurting others feelings.

Romance of the century I guess smdh