If you can't see how a man deciding to put the children he's raising with a woman first would have a positive impact on his romantic relationship with her... I can't really help you there, sorry. I'm not saying this to be snarky, I genuinely don't know where to begin with that.
Nobody is saying he put in romantic effort during the time of AC. That's a reflection of real life. Sometimes couples go through rough patches in their relationship, where romance is lacking. AC was what 1 week long? Maybe less. What matters is what the ending implies, and that things get back to normal for them. Which is them being in a relationship and raising Denzel and Marlene
Are you a parent? I ask because you seemingly think these kind of things aren't linked
Yes they have done this multiple times on their official Website actually you can look this up if you type square enix love stories or something like that.
Both. They are distorting the story but they also know that Aerith dies, which is why they HAVE to say that Cloud and Aerith COULD have been a better couple but they know they can't really be yet since Aerith is dead
Do you mean the books? If so didn't they come out after AC? That doesn't really disprove my opinion that Nojima changed his mind about cloti since the came out way later.
I believe the books came around the same time as AC in Japan. They came late in the West.
I never said it didn't. It obviously does. The only reason I brought this up is because you used that as an example of him putting in effort for his romantic relationship with Tifa. I never once even implied that it didn't better his relationship with Tifa but that that wasn't him putting in effort for his romantic relationship with Tifa but that he did because he NEEDED to save the kids.
No.
Pretty sure they are sleeping in Marlenes room. It also kinda grounds Cloud by reminding him of the stakes but I could be wrong. And also you didn't adress my point that other ff couples have been celebrated but not Cloti. Whoch makes it seem like Square Enix doesn't see them as a couple.
Alright my bad, I didn't know. So Cloti are not doing well, but then when he finds denzel they are doing well again and then when he gets geostigma the aren't doing well again? This is post Elmyra I mean
Why would they be sleeping in Marlene’s room in On the Way to A Smile? I’m pretty sure they weren’t in Marlene’s room in that scene.
I found one from 2022. Interestingly, the post did not have Zidane and Garnet, but had Beatrix and Steiner?
Why bother with extreme Clerith fans? They're biased from the jump. They distort the story to try and justify what could be. No matter how explicit SE gets, those fans will still distort things. They already are with the Remake trilogy
The books only cemented things more that Cloud and Tifa were together after ff7. They weren't necessary to know that. Especially looking back at how other final fantasy games handled romance post ff7.
He didn't NEED to do anything. The man had chosen to give up and die and straight up told Tifa that he wasn't strong enough to save anyone--not himself, not his friends, not his family.
Funny enough I saw other articles on the website that did feature Zidane and Garnet. So if Square Enix actually saw cloti as a couple they should at least put them in on of those lists since ff7 is the most important Final Fantasy game they have. But your other points are pretty good. Again my issue was never that cloti wasn't canon, they are, but rather that Square Enix and Nojima seemed to be very "secretive" and "ambiguis" about it I guess. Which is why we even have this LTD in the first place. They could have just stated that they are a couple long ago and we would not have this problem that should have never been a problem in the first place. And also I feel like the Re trilogy does a way better job with their relationship than AC or the books.I found one from 2022. Interestingly, the post did not have Zidane and Garnet, but had Beatrix and Steiner?
6 unforgettable Square Enix love stories | Square Enix Blog
Love is in the air here at Square Enix - or more accurately, love is in the games! Here are some of the most memorable romances, from FINAL FANTASY, Life is Strange and more!www.square-enix-games.com
So does that mean Zidane and Garnet were never together?
Why bother with extreme Clerith fans? They're biased from the jump. They distort the story to try and justify what could be. No matter how explicit SE gets, those fans will still distort things. They already are with the Remake trilogy
The books only cemented things more that Cloud and Tifa were together after ff7. They weren't necessary to know that. Especially looking back at how other final fantasy games handled romance post ff7.
Nojimas opinion changing was just my opinion like a stated multiple times. I never said that it was absolute. And yes like I said by saving the kids he is also automatically putting in effort with Tifa. My main point was that Cloud barely put any effort into their romantic relationship exclusively and Tifa did most of the work so the tought that with Aerith it wouldn't work because she would be putting in all the effort was strange to me. That is why this all started.
Yes, but the timeframe of them not going well is short compared to them going well.
No, you're not reading that right.
But why is it strange when we literally do see Cloud put in effort? It's one thing not to know of all the instances when he has put in effort, but if the writer is telling you point blank what the differences between the ships are why argue against that? If it's not making sense to you then chances are you're probably missing certain context, not that the context doesn't exist--which is why I said that he put in effort pre and post AC.
I've seen posts by SE that acknowledged them being in a couple. There's also the game, book and movie.
The remake trilogy is showing no matter how explicit things get, the extreme Clerith fans will ignore things. Especially in regards to what could be. Who cares about what could be though. What matters is what is
That's definitely the way you're coming across
