Yoru
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The phrase I'll have engraved on my tomb.
A mystery for me for the past 20 years. I legit don't understand and never will. It's like showing a cat to somebody who tells you that you're wrong it's a dog instead.
SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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A mystery for me for the past 20 years. I legit don't understand and never will. It's like showing a cat to somebody who tells you that you're wrong it's a dog instead.
GamerSkull
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Well, tbh I did read CA as a pairing. Just one that stops after the halfway mark of the OG. And is a red herring.
So I think it’s a valid interpretation for Disc 1.
So I think it’s a valid interpretation for Disc 1.
I can understand and sort of related to it to be honest. For me, once i put my intense shipping goggle on, I can never take it off… This happens to me for Bleach, where I think Ichigo X Rukia is the main couple, and got slapped in the face at the end…i re-read the manga lately, and still think ichigo x rukia are cute together….anyways, I guess the difference is some people like me are not so fixate on the idea of being canon, and can accept that other ship is the canon ship, which doesn’t stop me from enjoying my ship at all….there are so many fanart honestly. But for some people, being canon is a big deal, and apparently it doesn’t worth the time and money if their ship is not canon.
EDIT: maybe they just got really attached to Cloud X Aerith in the early game, and will ignore all the hint and development for Tifa in the later half of the game…it probably will only get worse if someone hold on to the idea that cloud X Aerith is the canon couple for 27 years. I don’t think anyone will be able to convince them they are not
EDIT: maybe they just got really attached to Cloud X Aerith in the early game, and will ignore all the hint and development for Tifa in the later half of the game…it probably will only get worse if someone hold on to the idea that cloud X Aerith is the canon couple for 27 years. I don’t think anyone will be able to convince them they are not
Yoru
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Yeah, too bad they missed the other 2 discs in their box. When you're on CD2 that the game doesn't give you any choice anymore and that even with low affection you can't do shit about Cloud confessing and consuming his love to Tifa.
You can have a head canon because you like a character. But you can't come in front of me and tell me : Aerith and Cloud are canon. It's the FF7 love story. No. It's not. It's just facts. No interpretation. Nothing. Cloud loves Tifa. Tifa loves Cloud. The end.
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GamerSkull
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CA: “We will never be a memory.”
(Joking)
Makes me realize something though, Sephiroth is not content with merely being a memory and wants to cheat death, but Aerith probably doesn’t mind death because the people she loved remember her memory.
Yoru
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Ah yes, the movie where the love of his life is leaving with another dude in the afterlife.
(i cry everytime btw)
tenabrus
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Agreed, and it's also some of the foundation for what makes the LTD so fraught to begin with. Disk 1 convinces you Aerith is the love interest and it very much wants you to care a lot about her so that you are devastated when she dies. So the transition to Tifa wasn't going to work for all the people who got as super attached to Aerith as they were meant to.
It's an interesting thought experiment to imagine what the state of the fandom/theories would have been if the OG game had been split into three parts the way the remake is. Because at this point, most people would be probably totally convinced Aerith was the love interest, she was coming back, and Tifa was just a love rival/fanservice character, since none of the payoffs they're setting up have happened yet.
Which, pointedly, is also where some people are at with Rebirth right now, if that tells us anything.
GamerSkull
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I think Rebirth seems more explicit with what they are going for, but yeah, if the OG came out in parts, I suppose it would be interesting how that might affect the LTD.
Hell, sometimes I wonder about the hypothetical original game that might have come out with Tifa and Aerith still being one character.
Yoru
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I agree with Remake, but Rebirth is not very good at hiding the fact Tifa is endgame i'm sorry. The difference in treatment is quite impressive for each girl.
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I don't even like the metric to begin with. In the OG, Disc 1 was The Aerith Show and Tifa wasn't exactly in the spotlight. Why do those two specifically need equal screen time? What creative purpose to the story does it serve? Why are we being told this out of band, and why is it being repeated for Rebirth?
It's hard not to be cynical about this, but it just screams focus grouping. Even the lore feels like a long winded excuse for Sephiroth, Aerith and Zack to have screen time when they shouldn't be there.
Yoru
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Because we're not in 1997 anymore. All the world knows Aerith will die. You don't have to be hyper focused on her anymore. If CD1 is so Aerith dependent it's because they knew they will take her back from you and wanted to make you feel bad/sad/angry by gamedesign.
GamerSkull
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Funnily enough, I have a friend who is yet to play FF7 but plans to (although I expect he’ll do so with Remake since he doesn’t like the polygons of OG). He knows Sephiroth will kill someone but not who.
He is extremely lucky to not know after all this time.
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Ok, then the all the world knows Tifa and Cloud will get together and we don't need to hyper focus on them in Part 3. Equal screen time for Tifa and Aerith makes total sense.
Yoru
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Nojima literally went to war against all the takes made about the characters he created.
It's so automatic and targeted that it's almost disturbing.
He seems so pissed with the way the world has perceived his work that this Remake project looks like his final answer for the last 25+ years.
I really think choiced have been made from the devs. There is no big conspiracy or group catering. That's the story they want to tell, with the characters they decided.
It's so automatic and targeted that it's almost disturbing.
He seems so pissed with the way the world has perceived his work that this Remake project looks like his final answer for the last 25+ years.
I really think choiced have been made from the devs. There is no big conspiracy or group catering. That's the story they want to tell, with the characters they decided.
This interview is fascinating tbh
Yoru
Pro Adventurer
Not the way I see it.
Cloud : Have you told Aerith about Zack ?
Tifa : No (yes I told her you remember but your memories of it are wrong)
Cloud : Does she still have feelings for him ? (So that's why you didn't tell her. You are afraid to tell her he's dead?)
Tifa : It's more complicated than that (Babe, you're delulu, that's why I'm not telling you what we really said)
Well i could tell you that seeing a certain part of the fandom, the world doesn't know and they're a doubling down on Tifa hardcore mode (and that's why we have seen her so much in Rebirth)
We will see what they do with DeadNotDead Aerith
I mean Cloud and Tifa and his memory are literally the most important thing that happens in the whole game
Ofc they’re going to get hyper focus on them????
I think this is the dilemma of remake, you have the completely new fans who don’t care which character get the most of the time, and you have existing fans who already have their preferences. You will need to please the majority amount of them to be financially success for the game.
If they lose Tifa’s fan in the second game, it is hard to get them back for the third one. So they have to keep her screen time up even though it is not her time to shine yet
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Mr. Thou
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Right. So why do Aerith and Tifa need equal screentime?
LNK
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It wasn't though. Within the last week I posted timestamps of every Aerith scene in the trailer. Out of at least 10 scenes, only two could possibly be looked at as romantic.
GamerSkull
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I think it’s more that… Cloud doesn’t remember the actual events, and also that she sees Zack in Cloud. In short, it’s complicated lol.
Yoru
Pro Adventurer
I kinda disagree.
When Remake released, it was a VERY huge risk to go with this meta ending. With Rebirth, they made some decisions nobody could have predicted (CT kiss)
No, definitely I think they don't care that much about what people are saying. They made this big deal with Sony. Now they're telling what they want.