SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Sacky]

To add to what I said earlier, it helps for the players who played the re-release of Crisis Core as well.

They’ll falsely assume that it’s the same degradation that Angeal and Genesis went through and that is why Cloud’s story isn’t lining up with Zack’s in that game.

Yep the whole degradation thing is for new players and it's so smart a lot of OG players keep saying all the twists are too obvious which ok if you know what to look for, and when you know degradation doesn't affect Cloud.These games are also for new players though and it seems to be working for them. Knowing the twist doesn't even ruin the story in my opinion

 

[LNK]

you cant tell me you thought Zack was only going to be in the game for 10-12 minutes from the amount of appearances he was making in promotion.

fairs if you could but that totally baited me

I honestly didn't know what to expect in regards to how much screen time he'd get. The devs never made it seem like he was going to get a ton. All they said is he plays a very important part to the game. When it comes down to it, we've got much more Zack content so far in the Remake trilogy, than we got in the OG. If you expected Zack to come in and take over for Cloud, that's on you, not the devs. Same goes for CA fans

 

[billy22]

God, what do we even have left now that we can't spend our time debating Genius annotations of NPTK all day?

"The writer is lying to us" and "That's just his interpretation" are the best cope responses I've heard about the Nojima-song.

Really though, I never cared about the vague song or what it meant or was supposed to mean. The only thing that bothered me was some shippers latched onto it like it was supposed to be convincing evidence or something. I suppose I am at least thankful that Nojima's comment nullifies it being brought up in discussion...nvm, that's just his interpretation.

 

[CldS7]

I honestly didn't know what to expect in regards to how much screen time he'd get. The devs never made it seem like he was going to get a ton. All they said is he plays a very important part to the game. When it comes down to it, we've got much more Zack content so far in the Remake trilogy, than we got in the OG. If you expected Zack to come in and take over for Cloud, that's on you, not the devs. Same goes for CA fans

Tbh I kinda just expected the way his parts to be structured would be different. I think the interludes work well

But was expecting like 1-2 longer devoted chapters instead

 

[LNK]

The writer is lying to us" and "That's just his interpretation" are the best cope responses I've heard about the Nojima-song.

Right? It's like fans don't want to admit they are the ones that are misinterpreting things. No accountability

 

[CldS7]

https://x.com/nitezintodreamz/status/1775280641346879774?s=46&t=ivxjxhkAU4je_TiXey-g9A

I’m still so shocked we got something so intimate already. I love the date but man this gongaga scene is legit peak

Can only imagine the intimacy we will get in the lifestream and northern crater and mideal now…

 

[GamerSkull]

"The writer is lying to us" and "That's just his interpretation" are the best cope responses I've heard about the Nojima-song.

Really though, I never cared about the vague song or what it meant or was supposed to mean. The only thing that bothered me was some shippers latched onto it like it was supposed to be convincing evidence or something. I suppose I am at least thankful that Nojima's comment nullifies it being brought up in discussion...nvm, that's just his interpretation.

Gotta say, if it’s a love song to Cloud… then why does the Avalanche trio show up at the end?

They actually support the idea that it’s a general sentiment of seeing loved ones again.

 

[CldS7]

Mideal is gonna wreck me damn

 

[GamerSkull]

Mideal is gonna wreck me damn

Especially Tifa taking care of Vegetable Cloud.

 

[CldS7]

Especially Tifa taking care of Vegetable Cloud.

When she says nothing matters but Cloud with actual voice acting

And her head on him whilst he’s a vegetable in the wheelchair

That bit always get my eyes misty

 

[GamerSkull]

When she says nothing matters but Cloud with actual voice acting

And her head on him whilst he’s a vegetable in the wheelchair

That bit always get my eyes misty

And the nurse’s comments too.

By the way, the scenes at the Northern Cave are gonna hit hard. Especially the one where Tifa finds Cloud at the train station.

Actually, one thing I am curious about is whether Mideel will be bigger or if they’ll keep to being just like five buildings.

 

[CldS7]

And the nurse’s comments too.

By the way, the scenes at the Northern Cave are gonna hit hard. Especially the one where Tifa finds Cloud at the train station.

Actually, one thing I am curious about is whether Mideel will be bigger or if they’ll keep to being just like five buildings.

That reveal is one that always gets me still

Cause it’s so completely different from the start of the game. When I first played it was like oh Shittt, its going way deeper then I ever thought

Cloud saying Tifas opinion is the only one that matters then his resolve shattering and then him saying to Tifa he’s hopes she can meet the real cloud someday….

Honestly disk 2 is so fucking good

 

[GamerSkull]

That reveal is one that always gets me still

Cause it’s so completely different from the start of the game. When I first played it was like oh Shittt, its going way deeper then I ever thought

Cloud saying Tifas opinion is the only one that matters then his resolve shattering and then him saying to Tifa he’s hopes she can meet the real cloud someday….

Honestly disk 2 is so fucking good

Yeah, and I’m interested to see the Gaslighting King fully voiced in that scene too.

 

[null]

Whatever the statement was that the devs made, I think they just meant all the characters would get similar amounts of screentime. I think affinity or whatever is separate from that.

Plus, every character did get a dungeon but I don’t think you could ever change affinity in any of those. Affinity came from synergy, side quests, and dialogue which are all done by Cloud.

So Aerith’s dungeon being after the date doesn’t really matter since none of the party member dungeons affected the date either.

The interviews I saw called out Aerith and Tifa specifically. There's probably more out there, so this isn't the end-all by any means.

Kitase (Remake):

“[W]e have been very conscious about the player’s amount of time with Tifa and Aerith and keeping it equal,” he stated earlier this week. “Additionally, we would make sure their representation in-game is balanced as well; for example, if there is a special event scene for Tifa, then we would prepare something similar for Aerith as well.”

Hamaguchi (Rebirth):

NH: So one thing that I was really careful about in this game is to depict the same amount of character development for Aerith and Tifa. I felt that depicting one side more would sort of lead to many users’ unhappiness and obviously Rebirth sort of depicts Aerith’s fate, and that’s a heavy part.

@LNK so yeah, screen time isn't necessarily the right term.

I don't like Aerith and Tifa being specifically measured against each other. Normal fans don't notice this sort of thing. The ones who notice and get unhappy if the "other girl" gets more attention need to be ignored, not placated. By all means explore and develop the characters, just don't insert some artificial requirement to balance those two specifically.

@Stiggie thanks, you nailed it perfectly.

 

[LNK]

Tbh I kinda just expected the way his parts to be structured would be different. I think the interludes work well

But was expecting like 1-2 longer devoted chapters instead

And that's fair. I also thought the interludes would be a bit more spread out. I wouldn't say you were baited though.

 

[CldS7]

And that's fair. I also thought the interludes would be a bit more spread out. I wouldn't say you were baited though.

I meant I was baited by myself more than anything into how the Zack stuff could happen

 

[tenabrus]

I say watch out for them talking about Aerith the way they did Zack in Rebirth, with stuff like "Aerith is very important in this game", "Aerith is at the heart of the story", "Aerith's role is very special, we hope fans will understand our heartfelt sincerity in telling her story", that sort of dance around the topic that makes it seem like she could plausibly be in it way more than she is.

Personally I was hoping for some more parallel world stuff with Zack in Rebirth, and I still hope there's still some with Zack and Aerith, now that they've more or less undercut the tragedy of her loss. OG was poignant in the total void she left, but that ship has sailed.

 

[Dashell]

I'm confused. Wasn't the game super insanely Clerith and didn't it make Clerith canon? Why are they all upset about the song? lol

 

[thetriplerhyme]

Most people consider it a horrible love story because Romeo was fickle. Before he meets Juliet, he was fawning over another girl but forgets all about her when he meets Juliet. And Juliet is naive, believing that Romeo only has eyes for her when in reality he's just a teenage boy with wandering eyes.

Plus Juliet kills herself upon knowing Romeo died because of her. When Romeo literrally did the same thing ( drank the poison) thinking she died. Sorry I'm not a fan of tragic stories ( especially R&J) but hey I like Zerith too but probably because Zack is different.

Then, they become so embroiled in a toxic mess that leads to their (unnecessary) deaths.

- I think that's exactly point of Shakespeare though if they're both frickle and they 'died' unnecessary - Still.. I dont like it..

 

[Someonesbunny]

It's probably because the song held the whole thesis together. They were probably putting all their eggs in the "IT'S A THEMATIC LOVE SONG" basket, believing that a solid confirmation that it was a CA [only] song guaranteed the outcome they're preaching, but now that that's shot, word has it that some of them are on a wiki editing spree.

If this isn't a cautionary tale about making sure to hedge your bets, I don't know what is.

Anyway, regardless, I thought it was a good thing that the song actually revolved around her feeling the weight of being the last Cetra since that was supposed to be at the forefront in any case, and it should dull some of the criticism people had about perceiving Aerith's attempted advances with Cloud as entirely inappropriate given the situation with Tifa.

Also, I saw some of the posts reading back about Claudia and the infamous "older girl" line and I think that it doesn't actually have any bearing what she thinks (though she seemed to already approve of Tifa in ToTP, but that's besides the point). Not saying Cloud doesn't love his mom or care about what she thinks lol all I'm saying is that it is, again, a discussion that offloads choice from Cloud (who does end up making all his own choices, fully and consciously).

Then again, how could I forget the infamous exchange in Cloud's Aerith's Resolution:

Aerith: Don't fall in love with me.
Cloud: Doesn't my mom get a say in this?

 

[thetriplerhyme]

I never liked this narrative of Aerith world falling apart and hyper focusing on Cloud.

- Same i think her 'too much' focus on Cloud literally diverts her to see the world properly. Although her 'focus on Cloud" for me is a diversion of her inner feelings of missing Zack. For me this is still Jenova toying with feelings of the last cetra. still not my cup of tea..

Actually, I invented the ship on Feb 29 lmao, it's really just a joke

I know it was you~ but damned many ships with Elmyra a bit someone called it a cougar though I like the fun ( for laughs) part but the cougar part disgust me

the marketing was stupid for sure. Its kinda weird they focused the resolution scene in Remake about 'dont fall in love with me' but its not really referenced at all and they did a complete bait and switch with the Game Awards trailer as well.

From what I hear, and this could actually be untrue. They weren’t sure if they were gonna be greenlit to go past Part 1. So they included stuff in it that could be a way to “end” it with Part 1 by giving both shippers things and saying the Unknown Journey will continue. That way, if there wasn’t a Part 2 most of the fans would have “gotten their fix”, I guess.

Nope for me its the same with how is everyone baited with the "C/A kiss" turns out to be Cloti.. this is just another way of their marketting to see the story only for them to break it up into the players.

People are aware of the story now soo its not like before in 97' that marketting matters so much with canonicity ~ They still need to play the game. Only by playing the game people will nee Cloud's inner conflict and that's why Tifa reveal is also different back in Remake right?

its to highlight that we have inner heroine and outer heroine

 

[thetriplerhyme]

She is implying that Aerith has feelings for Cloud right?

It was in Junon if I remember it right ( same with traces if two past) when Tifa ask "Ever see that guy again" and this is her reply



Tifa knew how Aerith doesnt have any news on Zack. We may or may not know if she told Tifa he died ( not sure on that part ) but Tifa knew Aerith is desperately lonely and looking for Zack all these time.. she just dont know what do and whom to ask on on happened. Its complicated with still having feeligs but wanting to let go.. as confusing as Aerith might have take it.
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This is also one of the reasons why Tifa prevent's Cloud on telling he remembers Zack. She knows it was a false memory.. imagine telling that to Aerith and aggrating his (Cloud) situation more.

So instead she just told him ( Cloud says he remembers Zack that they were friends 5 years ago) w/o the details of drowning. Tifa only knew drowning was false but not sure if Cloud's memory on knowing Zack hence she told it to her ( Aerith ).

 

[liuliuliu]

It was in Junon if I remember it right ( same with traces if two past) when Tifa ask "Ever see that guy again" and this is her reply

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Tifa knew how Aerith doesnt have any news on Zack. We may or may not know if she told Tifa he died ( not sure on that part ) but Tifa knew Aerith is desperately lonely and looking for Zack all these time.. she just dont know what do and whom to ask on on happened. Its complicated with still having feeligs but wanting to let go.. as confusing as Aerith might have take it.
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This is also one of the reasons why Tifa prevent's Cloud on telling he remembers Zack. She knows it was a false memory.. imagine telling that to Aerith and aggrating his (Cloud) situation more.

So instead she just told him ( Cloud says he remembers Zack that they were friends 5 years ago) w/o the details of drowning. Tifa only knew drowning was false but not sure if Cloud's memory on knowing Zack hence she told it to her ( Aerith ).

I think this line is talking about Faz the creepy guy that loved her mom and tried to rape her

 

[Yoru]

It was in Junon if I remember it right ( same with traces if two past) when Tifa ask "Ever see that guy again" and this is her reply

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Tifa knew how Aerith doesnt have any news on Zack. We may or may not know if she told Tifa he died ( not sure on that part ) but Tifa knew Aerith is desperately lonely and looking for Zack all these time.. she just dont know what do and whom to ask on on happened. Its complicated with still having feeligs but wanting to let go.. as confusing as Aerith might have take it.
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This is also one of the reasons why Tifa prevent's Cloud on telling he remembers Zack. She knows it was a false memory.. imagine telling that to Aerith and aggrating his (Cloud) situation more.

So instead she just told him ( Cloud says he remembers Zack that they were friends 5 years ago) w/o the details of drowning. Tifa only knew drowning was false but not sure if Cloud's memory on knowing Zack hence she told it to her ( Aerith ).

I still think "our normal" Aerith doesn't know Zack is dead. Of course she's not dumb and knows something is wrong, but again, she still hopes he's fine. That's why she's searching news in Gongaga.

And I'm pretty sure Tifa told her everything. How Cloud remember he was friend with Zack and how his memory is still fuzzy because she was there and she knows from her POV that Zack never felt from the river and he made it to the reactor. I would even think she told Aerith EVERYTHING. The girl are on full support mode. That's why Tifa is so miserable at the end. She lost her friend, her confident, her support.

 

[thetriplerhyme]

They’ll falsely assume that it’s the same degradation that Angeal and Genesis went through and that is why Cloud’s story isn’t lining up with Zack’s in that game.

- this is a good explantion on degradation part -- I didnt do my homework although I played crisis core I just understood that G cells degrade but never understood fully on why Zack's never degrade

I think this line is talking about Faz the creepy guy that loved her mom and tried to rape her

- sorry didnt read her TOTP yet ( dont have a physical copy) but noted ~ eithway Tifa knew Aerith is looking for Zack ( at least that part ) he mentioned that on Gongaga

And I'm pretty sure Tifa told her everything.

I believe that too (somehow ) but since it was never mentioned I'm gonna give this one to @Maidenofwar but I think both girls just know each others hearts and respect each other. I'm gonna believe that since NPTK is her song' for everyone.

She saw the world with everyone else except it was Zack although it was him who initially told her not to be afraid of sky and he will take her to a non -scary sky. She saw world and meet a lot of people with everyone else soo it was only just, as external heroine for her to have a song for everyone and wanting to 'meet them again'