Oh yeah I know, there isn't a reality where Nomura is as involved as he is with ff7 and just doesn't know lmao. I'm just saying it's a quote that Cleriths latch onto. It didn't do Cloti any favours.Nomura knew perfectly two years prior to AC that Cloud and Tifa were together
But then they come out with statements like "Aerith, the girl with the blood of the ancients running through her veins who will be engraved in Clouds heart for the rest of life", which isn't romantic, but it can easily be interpreted as such, and under any other context certainly would be. They love keeping this vagueness.They do describe Tifa with a romantic term "大切な女性" aka taisetsuna josei:
She's been dead since 1997 though. Remake does far more with her, sure. But she's been dead since 1997.The game I guess with her dying?
To be fair, hardcore shippers will latch on to anything. Unfortunately, I do feel this is a case of willfull ignorance. To point as stuff like the quote you just shared and say "See, that can't be anything but romantic" really just solidifies that these people can't seem to comprehend that a boy and a girl can find each other special without wanting to bang each other. Not only that, to point to similar quotes, despite the mountain of evidence and quotes in favor of his relationship with Tifa is again, just willful ignorance. It's the equivalent of sticking their fingers in their ears and saying "No, my interpretation is the one single truth." And with people like this, no amount of explicitness will ever be enough.But then they come out with statements like "Aerith, the girl with the blood of the ancients running through her veins who will be engraved in Clouds heart for the rest of life", which isn't romantic, but it can easily be interpreted as such, and under any other context certainly would be. They love keeping this vagueness.
Well it's a very Japanese way to look at this, my very Japanese father says the same about his mother so uh yeah. Needless to say he doesn't know anything about FFVII lol.But then they come out with statements like "Aerith, the girl with the blood of the ancients running through her veins who will be engraved in Clouds heart for the rest of life", which isn't romantic, but it can easily be interpreted as such, and under any other context certainly would be. They love keeping this vagueness.
Well it's not like we didn't try to give him reality checks here before he was banned you know.She's been dead since 1997 though. Remake does far more with her, sure. But she's been dead since 1997.
Yeah, I actually looked at the his thread a bit ago. Particularly the stuff about Loveless, in which Remake gave Jessie some relevance too. His complaint about how that was taken away from her when it was something new to begin with.Well it's a very Japanese way to look at this, my very Japanese father says the same about his mother so uh yeah. Needless to say he doesn't know anything about FFVII lol.
Well it's not like we didn't try to give him reality checks here before he was banned you know.
@Ryushikaze Yes, it feels to me a case of "If I say it a lot and as loud as I can, then it will become truth."There seems to be a greater franticness this time. Like they're desperate to self soothe.
I was thinking of the hook to lead into the chorus, but I'm flexible.
Knew you'd get the reference.
Fun fact, my wife lived in Hokkaido for a time and we have a short series- sadly now abandoned- called Console Tours where I wander about Sinnoh and the wife compares it to real locations in Hokkaido.
Possibly me in years gone by.
The facet that's not Grumpy is the "together with Tifa" facet. That one's happy but socially awkward.
The idea of the setting is that civilization is trying to A: raise land above the cloud sea to create your classic flying island, and B: find the source of the cloud sea and if possible stop it. It also allowed for spelljammer like play without need for space travel.
Always appreciated when you can say fuck you to a shit job or manager.
It's related and he can hang out with the family mascot!
It's funny, X-men used to be the multiverse focused chunk of the line.
And then you see how shat upon he is by life in 616 and you wonder who editoria's conflakes he pisses in.
Danke.
I was trying to avoid relying on the X-men, but yes, Wolverine fits quite well. Plus, he's been Australian, now he can be southern.
Truly, a fate worthy of being Hojo.
It wasn't sephiroth that killed Aerith, it was smoke inhalation! ZOIDBERG!
I believe so, yes.
Sonic 06 just being damning straight up.
I need to find my stats for the evil Arborial Dwarves in DnD who were a parody of Drow and Drop bears. They started combats by falling from trees butt first trying to land on people's heads. While wearing a giant steel butt spike.
That presumes there's sanity left to be had.
The basket it somehow wedged inside the arm itself, flailing about as they move.
I aim to please.
If anyone is in FF it's Gilgamesh.
Or Ardyn Izunia. He's like the evil version of Tom Baker (Colin baker joke goes here).
Same old Bullshit, greater sense of desperation.
There seems to be a greater franticness this time. Like they're desperate to self soothe.
Yeah, I've been thinking, and we don't need to confront her death, we can just acknowledge it, have Cloud go "right after it happened, I wasn't sure what happened. Part of me knew she was dead, part of me thought I'd saved her at the last second" Do that when the party is watching the memory projection and you can lead into "But it was always her saving us. She wasn't worried about her own safety. She wanted to save us. Let's not let that hope be in vein, let's go kick Sephiroth's but. Mosey Mosey Mosey."
Hi, who the fuck are you and why are you shitting up this topic?
I've checked your post history and you have primarily just said piss obvious shit in a confrontational way and accused other posters of being Cleriths because they have panic attacks about Square Enix fucking things up.
There's nothing new to their actions, but they're trying very hard to push it and I feel it betrays a desperation and an attempt to hold onto their own self assurance that they backed the right horse.
Cloud loses his entire shit at the idea of Tifa being dead. With Aerith- in the half of the hypertime where she is dead and he's aware she's dead - he cries over her death and moves forward.
I don't think they think they won, is the funny part. I think we're looking at frantic denial right now.
And Tifa's near death sent him well over the ledge and her coming back brought him back, and then remembering Zack's demise sent him teetering again and his sense of self has been continually eroding all throughout rebirth.
I always hate these kinds of arguments because usually the people who flock to them have nothing else to prove their point. But I mean, look at the guy, he's speechless, it's like he was put under a spell.They need to go on ahead and call Tifa the love of his life. If not, then don’t make him look at her like this.
I always hate these kinds of arguments because usually the people who flock to them have nothing else to prove their point. But I mean, look at the guy, he's speechless, it's like he was put under a spell.
This tweet sent me down a rabbit hole. I feel like I continue to find out about these differences they give between Tifa and anyone else Cloud can be with.Nomura knew perfectly two years prior to AC that Cloud and Tifa were together, I think people should put this into perspective of AC: they wanted us to discover what happened, they weren't going to tell us "yeah Cloud and Tifa are together but going through a hard time; look forward the conclusion of this though!" (especially since AC especially sucked in my opinion lol). People have been bothering him about the characters' love life when it's not the crux of the movie, that is... it's guilt, it's moving on, being able to forgive oneself and accept the death of people close to you. So he was at a point where he was clearly getting annoyed by all these questions, but the fact that Cloud and Tifa end up together by the end of the OG is for the devs an evidence. I mean, they wrote it and they even created Tifa for this role specifically.
Yes he took it out but at the same time, he made sure everyone would make the connection by talking about it. Lol.
The game I guess with her dying?
They do describe Tifa with a romantic term "大切な女性" aka taisetsuna josei:
They already gave the right answer and they already said look, Cloud and Tifa are a thing. The fact that the translations do miss is not really their fault in this case (since it's a booklet). The fact that fans either aren't aware of this or downright ignoring this just shows how wilfully ignorant they are willing to remain.
This is why Nojima is out to catch all those bad takes. Part 3 will be extremely interesting and also very very direct compared to the OG, IMHO.
Imagine being one of the characters behind him and see him smiling like this at nothing.To be fair, we're talking about people who see this, and celebrate it like a victory of love or some shit. DUDE. The lightning alone is the biggest red flag I have ever seen in my life.
There is nothing that will change their mind. Nothing. What's important is that the final game is clear enough for the majority of the people playing it.
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If they hit you with that one, remind them that his promise to Tifa has the exact same phrasing used.Oh yeah I know, there isn't a reality where Nomura is as involved as he is with ff7 and just doesn't know lmao. I'm just saying it's a quote that Cleriths latch onto. It didn't do Cloti any favours.
But then they come out with statements like "Aerith, the girl with the blood of the ancients running through her veins who will be engraved in Clouds heart for the rest of life", which isn't romantic, but it can easily be interpreted as such, and under any other context certainly would be. They love keeping this vagueness.
It's tragic what happened to Jairus, but it's his own damn fault what he became.Well it's a very Japanese way to look at this, my very Japanese father says the same about his mother so uh yeah. Needless to say he doesn't know anything about FFVII lol.
Well it's not like we didn't try to give him reality checks here before he was banned you know.
Yeah, if anything they went above and beyond what they needed to by giving us a recording of her performance that we can't miss or auto-skip in subsequent playthroughs. That's more than the other two got.Yeah, I actually looked at the his thread a bit ago. Particularly the stuff about Loveless, in which Remake gave Jessie some relevance too. His complaint about how that was taken away from her when it was something new to begin with.
I saw one of them recently trying to use "the one I love" page from the U10 as pro CA evidence, completely failing to note the segment about Mutual feelings confirmed without words between C and T beneath the highwind.@Ryushikaze Yes, it feels to me a case of "If I say it a lot and as loud as I can, then it will become truth."
Go for it.Ooo if we're going this route I need a false hook fakeout so less committed fans start singing along a full second too early.
You need to get an Australian for that one so you can view the UK upside down. I would like to redo the series at some point with the Gen IV remakes and an eventual Gen V remake.Your faith was not misplaced.
Hokkaido is my pick for prettiest landscapes in Japan. And that's a kickass concept for a series. I can imagine a community project roping in people from all over glorious Nippon, New York/Jersey, Hawaii, and so on to do this all over Pokearth. Though we could maybe skip Galar. Cause... Ew.
I think you'd appreciate the concept of my fan made hero. He's a magic user by heroic trop, but a scientist by trade and personality and he just treats magic as a another science to research. He runs an R&D company that essentially "sciencifies" magic to turn it into a safe technology anyone can use. His hero name is Thaumaturge, PhD.Probably both, but since I never dove down that particular rabbit hole on TVTropes you probably get more credit.
He's got it bad for the lady, it is known.Our socially awkward grump turns to mush in Tifa's presence. Notice when she reveals her belief that he liked to be alone as a kid, she gets a dose of grump. But it doesn't last two sentences. He's in full "we can still know each other better it's fine" almost instantly.
Feel free to borrow it.Sounds fun. I think if I played in such a setting with an existing character I'd bring my halfling monk. I wanna throw my Kung Lao style hidden chakram hat at sky swimming Sahguins.
Naming rights might be difficult to secure. I mean, they could always try and Sauron it, but times are very different there.Of course we could also suggest a name relating to his weird new hot claws thing. Fire Ferret! And have him actually get the reference thanks to his many teen sidekicks.
Not wholly, but Pete's party definitely has the bigger focus on it now.Too true, but that baton seems well and truly passed at this point.
Yeah, that tracks.Well it's Peter "Spider-Troll" Parker so... most of them? Thanks to a particularly strong spider sense tingle he did it before they started shutting on him, self fulfilling prophecy style.
Now you got me wondering what a Lary "GI JOE" Hama penned Cid Highwind story would be like.Me too, hence going to Rocket first. But hey, at least Logan is on every team ever. Plus if the vendors will leave them alone for five they can both chainsmoke, it all fits.
All the suffering, really.He really got off lightly in the OG, more suffering for Hojo please.
The game so terrible it "that never happened" itself.No joke. The best thing about that game is knowing I never spent money on it. Also that it retcons itself at the end.
Exactly why they're there.The added butt spikes make that. We actually fought Dropbears while using the Dream time to traverse a long distance quickly back before the party had reliable teleport spells. The first one to attack ended up impaled on the horns of a tiefling. Said tiefling being such a unit that he just carried the thing around on his head smashing into the others. Butt spikes would certainly negate that.
Alternately, you just need to resonate on a destructively interfering wavelength of insanity.There's certainly not much to be found locally I hope I brought a shred with me. Maybe it'll take root.
More at seemingly random but always the most inopportune intervals. And also being stuck so they snap back when they're done firing out.I'm dying just picturing it. Bonus if they were actually doing well till the basket wedge, and now every flower is spraying out as if from a high pressure hose with every twitch.
Porque no lost tres?Oh I'm torn. Be genuine, make a dirty joke, say "tell that to BB"
I love the fact that Gilgamesh is all the evidence you need that Dissidia is 100% Canon, and by extension, the FF Multiverse. I mean there's plenty more, but he's all you need.Truly Gilgamesh would look at Cloud and just St have a "first time, eh kid?" chuckle.
I mean just a little while ago they were trying to use the Chocolate Buster Sword and Strawberry Parfaits at the Artnia cafe (the ones that get served with 7th Heaven Napkins) in Japan as evidence, so pretty damn close.Have they hit chewing their own leg off yet?
I think technically it's classed as distressing, rather than "painful" but yes.The disassociation from the truth must be getting painful.
I mean it might, given Cloud might still be stuck in multiple worlds at once, but I think we're going to get an ending that ends the many stamp variant timelines and leaves us with a singular time and lifestream yet again.This is one of the better suggestions I've seen. I suspect it's gonna get weirder than this, but I genuinely hope it goes somewhere similar in the end.
Bright and sunny but no less dangerous for it.There he is. That's the Ryu I remember.
I read this in a bright, sunny tone of voice. Tell me I'm right please kthx.
-Polite Bow-Applause.
I think the copium is making the disease worse, really. They're ODing on the stuff.Do not wait until symptom Ms worsen, take your Copium immediately to head off critical thinking before it's too late.
Cloud just sat down on the floor and was a lump until he got word that Tifa might be okay, he's still stumbly for the six seconds you play as him before the cut scene takes over, we get Tifa back, Cloud is in working order again. She's a critical component for his current mind functioning at all.This. They're both bad for him, but when it's Tifa who appears dead? Cloud is shutting down now. There's Jesus at no point in being aware and ambulatory if there's no Tifa to be aware of and ambulate towards.
Pretty much.So it's like when people shout"the 2020 election was rigged!" and hope to someday believe it?
Yeah, Cloud has been teetering on that edge and has almost fallen off several times long before the forgotten capitol.Emphasis added by me because I feel like this gets overlooked a lot. Not necessarily by anyone here, but elsewhere. Cloud is on a downward spiral of instability all through Rebirth. I'd contend you can see it in Remake even, but the swirl is really picking up speed by the time of TOTA. It's very much a worsening situation slowed slightly by Tifa. When her faith in him shakes, that'll be the plug pulled fully. And then it'll be up to her to stabilize him for real in the LS sequence.
Trying to keep ambiguity will/would have dim these moments for me personally. I can’t imagine watching the LS scene and going “hm, but I wonder if he loves Aerith too?” It makes no sense.
Doesn't the english translation for that use the word "etched" instead of "engraved" despite the exact same kanji being used for both?If they hit you with that one, remind them that his promise to Tifa has the exact same phrasing used.
What always confuses me about this argument is where it comes from in the first place.The 2nd choice debate is back how lovely.......
theres a lot you can find out and then be amazed how much differences the devs added and spent time animating.This tweet sent me down a rabbit hole. I feel like I continue to find out about these differences they give between Tifa and anyone else Cloud can be with.
Talking about the different dialogue on the GS dates if you have the same person for both GS dates. With Tifa like they always make him, he is excited to go as opposed to the others.
Why do they do this lmao
If they hit you with that one, remind them that his promise to Tifa has the exact same phrasing used.
It's tragic what happened to Jairus, but it's his own damn fault what he became.
Yeah, if anything they went above and beyond what they needed to by giving us a recording of her performance that we can't miss or auto-skip in subsequent playthroughs. That's more than the other two got.
I saw one of them recently trying to use "the one I love" page from the U10 as pro CA evidence, completely failing to note the segment about Mutual feelings confirmed without words between C and T beneath the highwind.
Go for it.
You need to get an Australian for that one so you can view the UK upside down.
I would like to redo the series at some point with the Gen IV remakes and an eventual Gen V remake.
I think you'd appreciate the concept of my fan made hero. He's a magic user by heroic trop, but a scientist by trade and personality and he just treats magic as a another science to research. He runs an R&D company that essentially "sciencifies" magic to turn it into a safe technology anyone can use. His hero name is Thaumaturge, PhD.
He's got it bad for the lady, it is known.
Feel free to borrow it.
Naming rights might be difficult to secure. I mean, they could always try and Sauron it, but times are very different there.
Not wholly, but Pete's party definitely has the bigger focus on it now.
Yeah, that tracks.
Now you got me wondering what a Lary "GI JOE" Hama penned Cid Highwind story would be like.
All the suffering, really.
The game so terrible it "that never happened" itself.
Exactly why they're there.
Alternately, you just need to resonate on a destructively interfering wavelength of insanity.
More at seemingly random but always the most inopportune intervals. And also being stuck so they snap back when they're done firing out.
Porque no lost tres?
I love the fact that Gilgamesh is all the evidence you need that Dissidia is 100% Canon, and by extension, the FF Multiverse. I mean there's plenty more, but he's all you need.
I mean just a little while ago they were trying to use the Chocolate Buster Sword and Strawberry Parfaits at the Artnia cafe (the ones that get served with 7th Heaven Napkins) in Japan as evidence, so pretty damn close.
I think technically it's classed as distressing, rather than "painful" but yes.
I mean it might, given Cloud might still be stuck in multiple worlds at once, but I think we're going to get an ending that ends the many stamp variant timelines and leaves us with a singular time and lifestream yet again.
Bright and sunny but no less dangerous for it.
-Polite Bow-
I think the copium is making the disease worse, really. They're ODing on the stuff.
Cloud just sat down on the floor and was a lump until he got word that Tifa might be okay, he's still stumbly for the six seconds you play as him before the cut scene takes over, we get Tifa back, Cloud is in working order again. She's a critical component for his current mind functioning at all.
Pretty much.
Yeah, Cloud has been teetering on that edge and has almost fallen off several times long before the forgotten capitol.
It’s very easy to make a second choice argument if you completely disregard the story.What always confuses me about this argument is where it comes from in the first place.
This is a rundown of the events:
-Cloud falls in love with Tifa in Nibelheim when they were children.
-Cloud leaves to join SOLDIER to become a special someone to her.
-Cloud still holds onto those feelings during his time in the infantry.
-Nibelheim incident happens, Zack dies bringing Cloud to midgar.
-Cloud meets Tifa, and being too ashamed of his unextraordinary self he makes up a persona to pretend he fulfilled his promise to Tifa.(Aka, real!Cloud basically dissappears.)
-Cloud bares his soul to Tifa in the lifestream, and through her acceptance of the unextraordinary him, the real him resurfaces.
-Cloud and Tifa bang
-Cloud and Tifa move in together and start raising children.
What exactly about this ever screamed "second choice"?
Tbh, I sincerely hope I will never be this wrong about something, lol.The 2nd choice debate is back how lovely.......
Those people should be laughed at and mocked until they realize their ignoranceThe 2nd choice debate is back how lovely.......
I don't even believe she's his first choice, there isn't a choice, it's Tifa or nothing.Tifa isn't Cloud's second choice, I firmly believe if Aerith still lived he'd ultimately choose to be with Tifa regardless.