SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[GamerSkull]

Well... you're forcing me to be petty () but... actually some were happy...

... the same people who will celebrate a Cloud and Aerith ending after what we saw in Rebirth (and if 3rd game follows the OG story)

People who doesn't care about the story but just their ship.

And it's kinda the same situation with FF7. It's people happy with a story where the MC leaves a girl he confessed to and slept with, alone with a child.

The problem is… this sorta ending makes all characters involved bad. The MC is bad for confessing and having a child with one woman and then suddenly being with the other. The other woman is pathetic for accepting this. The third woman is bad for allowing this to happen when she knows how the other two people in this equation feel about each other.

Liking a ship is one thing, but twisting and character assassinating in order to achieve it is quite another.

Most normal people would ultimately find all three deplorable human beings.

Goddamn, some people just should not write romance.

 

[Eerie]

The worlds have to collide again bc Zack already set that up, unless you're thinking there will be another battle where worlds collide before the big fight. Unless, of course, Zack is now in our main world since they deliberately hid the Stamp of the new one he was brought to.

Don’t they though in ACC?

 

[Yoru]

The problem is… this sorta ending makes all characters involved bad. The MC is bad for confessing and having a child with one woman and then suddenly being with the other. The other woman is pathetic for accepting this. The third woman is bad for allowing this to happen when she knows how the other two people in this equation feel about each other.

Liking a ship is one thing, but twisting and character assassinating in order to achieve it is quite another.

Most normal people would ultimately find all three deplorable human beings.

Goddamn, some people just should not write romance.

Yup, this was basically the general reaction. Ending is shit, makes no sense and destroy every characters involved.

But some were happy.



Just saying but the color codes are a bit similar to a certain duo of FF7 heroines...

 

[pxl_pushr]

Like I've said before, it would really annoy me if Cloud was separated from the party, he's literally their leader.

So what makes sense in my head is that they’re all together when the fight starts, but Sephiroth’s boss fight will basically shatter whatever space it takes place in, splitting everyone up similar to Remake. They’re gonna use his iconic screen nuke attack as a bridge between phases me thinks.

 

[GamerSkull]

Yup, this was basically the general reaction. Ending is shit, makes no sense and destroy every characters involved.

But some were happy.

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Just saying but the color codes are a bit similar to a certain duo of FF7 heroines...

Funnily enough. I like the one of the right better.

I wonder what that says about me.

Wait… aren’t they sisters too? Doesn’t that make this even more fucked up. Especially for their kid, as their aunt is their stepmother I guess?

Jeez, what is this fuckery?

 

[Ryeleigh]

It's entirely possible, yes.

I mean, you were all "let's do a proper debate" and "bring in the evidence!", and then the first reply is basically "in my opinion", "I feel", "my interpretation". I honestly just felt sorry for it, lol.

I want to see Zack interact with Barret. His ADHD puppy persona would drive Barret nuts

You have no idea how much I'd like to see Zack interact with the entire gang. Selfish Happy Ending Fans. /crosses fingers

Yup. Just a few chapters after the MC

Spoiler

confirmed and confessed his love to another girl, slept with her and impregnated her

Oh my god, that has the same author as GE: Good Ending, lmao. At least I know I won't ever read that one.

 

[GamerSkull]

I mean, you were all "let's do a proper debate" and "bring in the evidence!", and then the first reply is basically "in my opinion", "I feel", "my interpretation". I honestly just felt sorry for it, lol.

It’s always funny how C/T fans seem to want to argue with evidence but C/A always seem to argue with interpretations and feelings.

 

[Ryeleigh]

It’s always funny how C/T fans seem to want to argue with evidence but C/A always argue with interpretations and feelings.

Yeah. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, it would be perfectly fine if they were just writing ship meta or discussing ships. But that's a bit different from "debate" and "canon", lol.

 

[GamerSkull]

Yeah. And I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, it would be perfectly fine if they were just writing ship meta or discussing ships. But that's a bit different from "debate" and "canon", lol.

Agreed.

 

[pxl_pushr]

It’s always funny how C/T fans seem to want to argue with evidence but C/A always seem to argue with interpretations and feelings.

Because there is one glaring fact they can’t feel their way around:

She dead tho.

 

[GamerSkull]

Because there is one glaring fact they can’t feel their way around:

She dead tho.

Aerith is allowed to move on from Zack.

Cloud though, he needs to pine after a dead woman forever.

 

[Yoru]

That's my personal view of this fandom.

One side uses real evidence and some excessive interpretations, the other side lies, use old and mistranslated evidences and refuses to take into account much of the available content.

It's quite revealing. But I'm biased. You be the judge.

(talking about both Cultists. Not people of good faith like we have here)

 

[GamerSkull]

I think my issue is the double standards. Like the “moving on” thing I mentioned above is just one example of it.

 

[Yoru]

I think my issue is the double standards. Like the “moving on” thing I mentioned above is just one example of it.

Because you can't say no to Aerith. She's perfection. She's always right. Never made any mistake. Selfless incarnated.

She created FF7. The rest are NPC at best. Cloud can stay tho.

 

[GamerSkull]

I do wonder what the actual split is.

Like what percentage is C/T and C/A among those that have played the OG to completion?

I would disregard people that haven’t played it or have only watched clips because a lot of them are probably missing context.

And then how does that percentage shift with compilation materials and remake.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Because you can't say no to Aerith. She's perfection. She's always right. Never made any mistake. Selfless incarnated.

She created FF7. The rest are NPC at best. Cloud can stay tho.

If there’s one big criticism I have for Aerith in Remake, it’s this odd feeling that she can’t be incorrect.

What I appreciated about the original story is this idea that despite all your efforts, the living planet that has a will of its own will still do what it needs to do to live out its life to completion.

So when Aerith shot calls that she wants to give her friends a better future, I do kinda want the planet to go “best I can do is less depression on the same time table”.

In summary, I do like Aerith but good lord does this character need some kind of nerf.

 

[Yoru]

Growing up, I thought I was in the minority.

I was put under pressure until Crisis Core became a reality.

Then we got a new breath of air with Z/A in the equation.

Tifa seems to be doing well in most online polls. But my own echo chamber seems pretty loaded with C/A. I don't know if they're louder (because of the takes...) or just more in number.

 

[GamerSkull]

If there’s one big criticism I have for Aerith in Remake, it’s this odd feeling that she can’t be incorrect.

What I appreciated about the original story is this idea that despite all your efforts, the living planet that has a will of its own will still do what it needs to do to live out its life to completion.

So when Aerith shot calls that she wants to give her friends a better future, I do kinda want the planet to go “best I can do is less depression on the same time table”.

In summary, I do like Aerith but good lord does this character need some kind of nerf.

I also don’t like the implication that the OG storyline is a “bad future”. Sure, Aerith dies but all of the group is still more or less happy, her coming back would almost assuredly have a butterfly effect that she would not be able to tell will result in good futures.

I suppose you can argue that humanity doesn’t exist 500 years into the future but honestly, that has never been confirmed, is up for interpretation, and seems divisive among the fanbase.

Moreover, it would be after the main group has lived out their lives so it wouldn’t affect them. Except Nanaki and potentially Vincent. But even in those cases, they would both be alive. Or Vincent, who doesn’t want immortality, would be dead so it would work out for him.

 

[Yoru]

If there’s one big criticism I have for Aerith in Remake, it’s this odd feeling that she can’t be incorrect.

What I appreciated about the original story is this idea that despite all your efforts, the living planet that has a will of its own will still do what it needs to do to live out its life to completion.

So when Aerith shot calls that she wants to give her friends a better future, I do kinda want the planet to go “best I can do is less depression on the same time table”.

In summary, I do like Aerith but good lord does this character need some kind of nerf.

I also don’t like the implication that the OG storyline is a “bad future”. Sure, Aerith dies but all of the group is still more or less happy, her coming back would almost assuredly have a butterfly effect that she would not be able to tell will result in good futures.

I suppose you can argue that humanity doesn’t exist 500 years into the future but honestly, that has never been confirmed, is up for interpretation, and seems divisive among the fanbase.

Moreover, it would be after the main group has lived out their lives so it wouldn’t affect them. Except Nanaki and potentially Vincent. But even in those cases, they would both be alive. Or Vincent, who doesn’t want immortality, would be dead so it would work out for him.

My personal problem is that Square Enix knows no half measures.

In Remake, she is omnipotent and cannot be caught unprepared.

In Rebirth she's totally lost, crossing Cosmo Canyon like a tourist (still in shock that it's Tifa who's talking about defending the planet) until the game remembers that she's important as Cetra. It was just super weird.

Can we just have one balanced character, please?

I'm not even sure her goal has something to do with saving herself. She just want Sephiroth to stop playing with Worlds, because it's wrong and even the planet needs to die someday.

 

[Sacky]

I also don’t like the implication that the OG storyline is a “bad future”. Sure, Aerith dies but all of the group is still more or less happy, her coming back would almost assuredly have a butterfly effect that she would not be able to tell will result in good futures.

I suppose you can argue that humanity doesn’t exist 500 years into the future but honestly, that has never been confirmed, is up for interpretation, and seems divisive among the fanbase.

Moreover, it would be after the main group has lived out their lives so it wouldn’t affect them. Except Nanaki and potentially Vincent. But even in those cases, they would both be alive. Or Vincent, who doesn’t want immortality, would be dead so it would work out for him.

actually the advent children film script reveals that humanity did survive

 

[pxl_pushr]

My personal problem is that Square Enix knows no half measures.

In Remake, she is omnipotent and cannot be caught unprepared.

In Rebirth she's totally lost, crossing Cosmo Canyon like a tourist (still in shock that it's Tifa who's talking about defending the planet) until the game remembers that she's important as Cetra. It was just super weird.

Can we just have one balanced character, please?

I'm not even sure her goal has something to do with saving herself. She just want Sephiroth to stop playing with Worlds, because it's wrong and even the planet needs to die someday.

It also runs the risk of contradicting Cloud’s character arc in terms of acceptance ( of who you are, your failures, etc ) muddying it all up.

Accept reality… unless your a magical Cetra who can take advantage of the plans of a madman with a god complex… who you can argue is doing the same as you just with intentions that are on the opposite end of the spectrum… maybe.

Haven’t crossed that line yet tbf, but I’m hoping they recognize it and avoid it before the end of part 3.

 

[Yoru]

I also don’t like the implication that the OG storyline is a “bad future”.

More than a bad future, I think the game suggests that this is not the real end.

We know from Ultimania that the worlds are Sephiroth's work. He does it to "create drama" and use people's strong feelings as energy to feed the planet. To keep it eternal. An infinite number of worlds as a source of infinite energy.

Aerith's goal is to stop it. We must respect the planet's will. Nothing is eternal. Not even her. All things must die one day.

My point is. OG FF7 is just one of Sephiroth's "dramatic" worlds. A world where humanity fights after the meteor and dies little by little lamenting their shitty life (space cancer in AC is an example of it).

 

[GamerSkull]

actually the advent children film script reveals that humanity did survive View attachment 16708

Personally, I’ve always believed that humanity did survive but they’ve gone back to a more rural lifestyle.

 

[GamerSkull]

More than a bad future, I think the game suggests that this is not the real end.

We know from Ultimania that the worlds are Sephiroth's work. He does it to "create drama" and use people's strong feelings as energy to feed the planet. To keep it eternal. An infinite number of worlds as a source of infinite energy.

Aerith's goal is to stop it. We must respect the planet's will. Nothing is eternal. Not even her. All things must die one day.

My point is. OG FF7 is just one of Sephiroth's "dramatic" worlds. A world where humanity fights after the meteor and dies (space cancer in AC is an example of it).

I just hope we end Part 3 with one single timeline.

 

[Yoru]

I just hope we end Part 3 with one single timeline.

I'm still in the team : There is only one. The one we're playing with Cloud and the party.

All the rest is Lifestream shenanigans.