GamerSkull
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Yeah, I've heard about several theories regarding that. I don't know much details about it unfortunately. When I played, I passed a lot of them off as just references. Like Shinra in X-2 for example.
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Ryushikaze
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I'm older than the playable cast save Vincent. I was younger than Yuffie when I played it first.
It's a "you don't have to care but it was done deliberately" sort of thing. Same with putting Shinra's mask on the picture with the ShinRa founders in Remake. Nojima has stated several times the idea was to link them up somehow, but it wasn't a big deal to the story of either.
Shadowstorm
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I appreciate the recommendations. I've heard great things about FFX, so I've been thinking about playing that or FF16 once I've gotten my fix of the FF7 compilation. FF4 I can probably run on my laptop so that'll be a good travel game
I didn't know there was continuity between the games at all I thought it was all just standalone stories. Or is it like a vague distant future thing where the continuity is just a fun thing fans can spot?
I was born a year after the game came out. Cool talking to people that got to play it when it was new. It's always just been part og gaming history for me
I didn't know there was continuity between the games at all I thought it was all just standalone stories. Or is it like a vague distant future thing where the continuity is just a fun thing fans can spot?
I was born a year after the game came out. Cool talking to people that got to play it when it was new. It's always just been part og gaming history for me
GamerSkull
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Yeah, I expect it is similar to the FF Tactics, FFXII, and Vagrant Story. Those all take place in the same continuity, right? But there are huge gaps in the time periods?
I suppose that makes sense. Aerith, especially all of her depiction post-death, feels a lot less relatable imo... at least insofar as her heritage is concerned.
Yeah, FFVII and FFX are standalone. You can play either without having to play the other. From what I understand, the theory is that FFX takes place in the same world but it's a very, very long time before FFVII.
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Ryushikaze
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Like Doom, you can play FF4 on basically anything.
For the most part there is not, but yeah, like FF12, FF Tactics and FF Tactics Advance 1 and 2 and Vagrant Story sometimes (Creator has been inconsistent about that one specifically even though there are clear signs in game) there are certain incidents of continuity between games.
FF4 has The After Years, a sequel taking place 17 years after the first game and starring Cecil and Rosa's 17 year old son.
FF10 is a few thousand years before and an entirely different planet apart from FF7.
FF10 and 10-2 are obviously connected.
FF7 and it's various C's are connected, naturally. And G-bike.
FF5 leads into its own sequel movie set 100 years later. It also leads into - for Gilgamesh specifically - FF8, Dissidia, and Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin at least. FF9, FF12, FF13-2, FF14 and the Chocobo series Gilgamesh might also be the same guy. We think FF15's is not.
There is also an entity known as Omega (different from Omega Weapon) that has incarnations throughout various different worlds but is actually finally defeated in FF5.
FF12 has its literal sequel FF12 Revenant Wings, but also the games FF Tactics Advance and FF Tactics Advance 2 take place in the same Ivalice as those games (It is strongly implied that Marche and co overwrote the 'real' Ivalice with the ivalice of the Grimoire in FFTA, as the same Grimoire is used to travel to the Ivalice of FF12/ Rev wings and that stars the same Montblanc as FFTA and Vaan and Penelo from 12) and then hundreds of years later the magic of the world has begun fading after a massive calamity, this is where FFT happens, some years after that Vagrant Story.
The Ivalice shown in the beginning of FFTA and FFTA2 is not, as far as we can tell, the same world as the Ivalice of these games, but travel can be done between them via the Grimoire.
Obviously FF13 13-2 And Lightning Returns are interconnected.
Dissidia 012, Dissidia, Final Fantasy and Stranger of Paradise are all also in a continuity with each other.
Of EVERYTHING I have mentioned. the only ones you really need to give a crap about playing in any particular order are the ones with the same name in front of them. And even then only so much.
Different planet, as the farplane and the lifestream work similarly, but not the same.
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Reaper3Delta
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Hello everybody new forum member here. I been somehow active at the CloTi Subreddit lately and active lurker here. So my intro to FF7 was back in the day when I played an PS1 FF7 demo that included Tifa in the Reactor 1 bombing mission. Within a short time I got The OG FF7 game and I became a CloTi fan. I find Cloud, Tifa and the Cloti concept very relatable to me personally. NGL I disliked Aerith in OG, Remake made me like her, then Rebirth kind of regress her back to almost OG levels for me, but I never hated her. I consider myself kind of a purist CloTi/FF7 fan. Anyway I am here to enjoy the opinions and convo about our beloved series. Cheers.
Roundhouse
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Roundhouse
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(I fully expect the 'you're breaking my heart!' line to pop up at the Northern Crater scene at this point XD)
GamerSkull
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ViolaaFox
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I'll try to catch up with posts here...I needed a break from the forum to play Trails Through Daybreak. 
We could create a voting pool for a new thread name! And everyone can include their fav drink.
Unfortunately, there will always be people who will down play the role of either Tifa or Aerith. In most cases it's for shipping reasons anyway, you can prefer one ship but still view both women as important to the story progression but it appears that some people have a very limited thinking on that....
From what I read on Twitter and Reddit it sounds like it. I also have the feeling that there is often a certain misogyny behind it, in which parts of the community project their despise for a certain type of woman onto either Tifa or Aerith.
GamerSkull
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I think regardless of preference over Cloti or Clerith, you simply cannot deny that BOTH are the heroines of the story.
And I agree about the projection. In my experience though, more CA fans throw shade at Tifa than CT fans throw shade at Aerith. However, that might just be the perception I have based on the circles I follow.
ViolaaFox
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From what I saw it's more CAs being misogynistic about Tifa's looks but as you say it probably depends on the community you follow. So I can't even say for sure if it's really more CAs who act in this kind of behavior. But it is still awful no matter how you look at it.
GamerSkull
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Yeah, it's inexcusable either way. Neither of them should be downplayed in terms of importance to the story.
Shadowstorm
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I wouldn't be surprised if it was worse on the CA end these days purely because being on the "losing" side brings out the worst in people and because CT shippers can just ship Aerith with Zack rather than try to push her aside all together. I imagine if the roles were reversed CT shippers would get just as ugly
But, regardless ship wars like this really make the misogyny jump out and that's never cool. It's the main reason I was very averse to both ships going into the game, I just wanted nothing to do with it
But, regardless ship wars like this really make the misogyny jump out and that's never cool. It's the main reason I was very averse to both ships going into the game, I just wanted nothing to do with it
abzy1200
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I think that Cleriths appear to hate Tifa more than Clotis appear to hate Aerith because claiming Clerith as endgame necessitates grossly mischaracterising Tifa while Cloti does not have to do the same for Aerith.
Claiming Clerith as endgame necessitates:
-Making Tifa out to be an oblivious third-wheeler who invited herself to Cloud and Aerith's romantic reunion in death.
-Making Tifa seem like a nasty woman giving Cloud ultimatums ("A memory or us?" I know this isn't what is said, but this is what gets used in argument. )
-Characterising Tifa as some delusional person who can't accept her arrangements with Cloud doesn't make them a family.
Claiming Cloti as endgame necessitates:
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Salt from being on the losing side definitely doesn't help either.
Claiming Clerith as endgame necessitates:
-Making Tifa out to be an oblivious third-wheeler who invited herself to Cloud and Aerith's romantic reunion in death.
-Making Tifa seem like a nasty woman giving Cloud ultimatums ("A memory or us?" I know this isn't what is said, but this is what gets used in argument. )
-Characterising Tifa as some delusional person who can't accept her arrangements with Cloud doesn't make them a family.
Claiming Cloti as endgame necessitates:
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Salt from being on the losing side definitely doesn't help either.
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Toxic Cloti/Tifa fandom was majorly NLOG coded back in the day. Idk how much it's really changed now since these days I have become more enlightened centrist in finding both sides annoying 
GamerSkull
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Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of toxic Clotis out there. Like with any shipping fandom, there are bad apples on both sides.
I see more of the toxicity on Clerith's side but like I said before, I think that's primarily due to the circles I follow and it's quite possible I'm just not seeing the ones on the Cloti side.
I see more of the toxicity on Clerith's side but like I said before, I think that's primarily due to the circles I follow and it's quite possible I'm just not seeing the ones on the Cloti side.
abzy1200
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Of course there are annoying people on both sides, I'm just saying that, at the most basic level, advocating for Clerith being endgame requires either a disliking for or a severe misunderstanding of Tifa, while Cloti does not for Aerith. This is why it might seem like there are more Tifa haters than Aerith haters.
GamerSkull
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I think a Clerith endgame could exist. The story would need to be changed in a lot of ways though.
Remake Trilogy had the opportunity to institute those changes, but it did not.
The issue now is, if Clerith is endgame, then why did they waste all of Rebirth to do any build up? You can argue they do so at the very end, but it's kinda too late. Moreover, why build up the Cloti stuff just to 180?
The best thing they could have done was downplay both Cloti and Zerith and then build Clerith up simultaneously. But they didn't do that... in fact, they added more Cloti moments than what was in the original game... and they definitely made it seem like it was Zack's life mission to be with Aerith again.
Remake Trilogy had the opportunity to institute those changes, but it did not.
The issue now is, if Clerith is endgame, then why did they waste all of Rebirth to do any build up? You can argue they do so at the very end, but it's kinda too late. Moreover, why build up the Cloti stuff just to 180?
The best thing they could have done was downplay both Cloti and Zerith and then build Clerith up simultaneously. But they didn't do that... in fact, they added more Cloti moments than what was in the original game... and they definitely made it seem like it was Zack's life mission to be with Aerith again.
abzy1200
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Sorry for any misunderstanding, I should have clarified that I'm talking about people who claim Clerith to be endgame as the compilation is right now.
Ryushikaze
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That line isn't even about Aerith, but Sephiroth and the memory of failure.
Even the "CA" ending bits are very ZA in the end, what with being part of his narrative chapters, Aerith being confused about her type of like, and the repeated cuts to him at key points.
Acronym explanation please. My brain is defaulting to a programming library
I mean finding the whole damn thing annoying is status quo for the LTD, really.back in the day. Idk how much it's really changed now since these days I have become more enlightened centrist in finding both sides annoying
GamerSkull
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I think it's "Not Like Other Girls" in that Tifa is just super special and better than other female characters..... I think.
The weird thing about that is that so many people seem to either miss or ignore it. And just think the point of that part is Aerith's confession right before she says goodbye. However, I just feel like it has to be intentional. The devs chose to have multiple cuts to Zack in the middle of it, they chose to make Stamp resemble Zack, they chose to have Zack sit in front of the church after Aerith mentions "our place." Not to mention the numerous flowers appearing around Zack to guide him.
I've seen a few people write that off as nothing but like... scenes are framed by directors the way they are for a reason. There has to be some reason behind it.
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Shadowstorm
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Yeah, it's typically used to differentiate the "cool girls" from the more traditionally girly ones. I think Aerith and Tifa both get that treatment depending on one's view of traditional femininity. Like Tifa is so much better for being a fighter and not wearing pink girly dresses, or Aerith is better for being outspoken and not being quiet and nurturing. All comes back to the same old sexist idea of there being a wrong way to be a woman
Anyway, yeah I already got the suspicion while playing Remake that they were leaning a lot harder into Cloti this time around (hard not to notice some big changes when playing practically side-by-side with the OG) but they absolutley could have taken the story in another direction if they wanted to. It's just that Rebirth very blatantly did not take that chance, and now the only path to a Clerith endgame would include either the devs taking time they do not have to undo Zerith and Cloti and giving Zack and Tifa some other rewarding storyline, or just tossing those characters aside like they mean nothing. Neither seems likely to me
Anyway, yeah I already got the suspicion while playing Remake that they were leaning a lot harder into Cloti this time around (hard not to notice some big changes when playing practically side-by-side with the OG) but they absolutley could have taken the story in another direction if they wanted to. It's just that Rebirth very blatantly did not take that chance, and now the only path to a Clerith endgame would include either the devs taking time they do not have to undo Zerith and Cloti and giving Zack and Tifa some other rewarding storyline, or just tossing those characters aside like they mean nothing. Neither seems likely to me
Xombii
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I feel like this whole section is REALLY obviously trying to tell us something, but also that it relies on the person observing to have knowledge of things like CC and also to have understood the links between the two at this point. For me, the first time I went through it left me with a really uneasy feeling, that something was very wrong about all of it just through the body language and unnatural way Cloud was acting at times. The stamps being stand ins for Zack were fairly obvious, and everything going wrong.
But I'm someone who knows what is going to happen and has played CC. It took me a few runs through and reading other people's observations to come to a point where I understand what's really going on here and what's being conveyed. I have seen streamers and other people soooort of get it, a little bit? But perhaps this is where it trips the 'maybe both girls' or 'look at them on a date!' types.
What I'm saying is it looks obvious to people who already know what's going on. This is one of those scenes that I imagine has been added for people playing through after they beat the whole series in like 3-4 years. We feel like they're being blunt and smacking us with this. Perhaps to other people it's too obscure. I like it though, I feel frustration is from the expectation for other people to care enough to think about it. Plus those people who wilfully misinterpret and yell their opinions to whoever they feel they can convince.
billy22
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How was it? I vaguely recall someone telling me it had a developing love triangle.I'll try to catch up with posts here...I needed a break from the forum to play Trails Through Daybreak.