SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Reaper3Delta]

Well, even if some CT fans do, what does it exactly prove, lol? Even if some people like CT just because they're hot/cute together and don't put more thought into it than that, it really doesn't say anything about the quality of the writing or the pairing itself?

Even when the game itself shows it; 'Alone at Last' shows a Cloud ready to "get it on" with Tifa and it was just chapter 3 of Remake. "Don't blame the player, blame the Game!" lol

 

[GamerSkull]

 

[pxl_pushr]

I’m starting to believe that Nojima sending people down the rabbit hole of Carl Jung was a clever troll on his part because I can tell some people are getting way too tangled in it.

 

[GamerSkull]

I’m starting to believe that Nojima sending people down the rabbit hole of Carl Jung was a clever troll on his part because I can tell some people are getting way too tangled in it.

Yeah, I saw something about that but im not too familiar with the concepts.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Yeah, I saw something about that but im not too familiar with the concepts.

I’m not either, but it didn’t take too much digging before I just went “ah, so that’s why the LS sequence goes the way it does. Neat.”

Basically breaks the idea of “the self” into 4 pieces and how you need to find balance and accept these pieces to become a fully functional self. Accepting failures to balance an inflated ego, embracing opposing characteristics to become a more rounded individual, stuff like that.

Then toss in an alien in your brain to try and scramble these things to bend you to its will and you get Why Cloud is Going Through It 101.

 

[GamerSkull]

I’m not either, but it didn’t take too much digging before I just went “ah, so that’s why the LS sequence goes the way it does. Neat.”

Basically breaks the idea of “the self” into 4 pieces and how you need to find balance and accept these pieces to become a fully functional self. Accepting failures to balance an inflated ego, embracing opposing characteristics to become a more rounded individual, stuff like that.

Then toss in an alien in your brain to try and scramble these things to bend you to its will and you get Why Cloud is Going Through It 101.

The wait for Part 3 is gonna feel excruciatingly long.

“I don’t need sleep, I need answers.”

 

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I joined the fandom recently and the craziness is off the charts, i can't imagine people being here tolerating their bullshit for 20+ years. smh

Oh, I live for Evil Tifa and her criminal enterprises and her clingy desperate attempts to scam romance from a resisting hero. I hope these wacky Twitter takes keep going forever.

 

[GamerSkull]

Haha.

Sephiroth: evil aura

Tifa: “Hold my beer”

 

[pxl_pushr]

Haha.

Sephiroth: evil aura

Tifa: “Hold my beer”

Is it bad that an evil Tifa ( or at least a mean girl one ) is very intriguing to me as a sane Sephiroth?

See? This is what shipping and fanfiction is for, zany thought experiments that are all in good fun.

 

[GamerSkull]

Is it bad that an evil Tifa ( or at least a mean girl one ) is very intriguing to me as a sane Sephiroth?

See? This is what shipping and fanfiction is for, zany thought experiments that are all in good fun.

Yeah, these could be interesting “what-ifs” but to act like these are how the characters are in canon is crazy. It’s such a bad faith interpretation.

 

[Reaper3Delta]

Is it bad that an evil Tifa ( or at least a mean girl one ) is very intriguing to me as a sane Sephiroth?

See? This is what shipping and fanfiction is for, zany thought experiments that are all in good fun.

I saw a Fanfic about a Tifa corrupted by Corneo like 2 years prior to the start of FF7 and she didn't give a flying fuck about Cloud , the promise or anything. Felt really bad for that Cloud. Thank goodness canon Tifa is not like that.

 

[GamerSkull]

I saw a Fanfic about a Tifa corrupted by Corneo like 2 years prior to the start of FF7 and she didn't give a flying fuck about Cloud , the promise or anything. Felt really bad for that Cloud. Thank goodness canon Tifa is not like that.

You been reading doujins….? suspicious side eye

 

[Reaper3Delta]

You been reading doujins….? suspicious side eye

I don't know what are those, but I was curious about it lol. Never again. I am a CloTi purist even in fanfic and it gave me like an anxiety/heartburn in my stomach. Taking this stuff too seriously I guess.

 

[GamerSkull]

I don't know what are those, but I was curious about it lol. Never again. I am a CloTi purist even in fanfic and it gave me like an anxiety/heartburn in my stomach. Taking this stuff too seriously I guess.

Doujins are fan manga. In a lot of cases… they are sexual. Your description of the fanfic sounds like a doujin plot. LMAO

 

[Reaper3Delta]

Doujins are fan manga. In a lot of cases… they are sexual. Your description of the fanfic sounds like a doujin plot. LMAO

Good to know

 

[Shadowstorm]

So Tifa and Cloud are the ones with new outfits and weapons for this new EC campaign. By Clerith shipper rules that totally means they're endgame, right?

 

[GamerSkull]

So Tifa and Cloud are the ones with new outfits and weapons for this new EC campaign. By Clerith shipper rules that totally means they're endgame, right?

No, because “one rule for thee and another for me.”

 

[Ryushikaze]

No, because “one rule for thee and another for me.”

You forgot about the "Head's I win tails you lose" as well.

Dumb take I encountered today that I cannot screenshot for you all because the guy who said it blocked me in a fit of "I'm not mad!" rage, none of the older Ultimanias are canon because remake project is "in its own world." This was from someone trying to argue that the whispers, not Jenova, were responsible for Cloud's memory issues.
He also said Crisis Core wasn't canon despite, you know, being referenced in Rebirth.

 

[Shadowstorm]

You forgot about the "Head's I win tails you lose" as well.

Dumb take I encountered today that I cannot screenshot for you all because the guy who said it blocked me in a fit of "I'm not mad!" rage, none of the older Ultimanias are canon because remake project is "in its own world." This was from someone trying to argue that the whispers, not Jenova, were responsible for Cloud's memory issues.
He also said Crisis Core wasn't canon despite, you know, being referenced in Rebirth.

Ah the old "picking and choosing what's canon based on what suits you best" approach. Very popular amongst fanon shippers and/or comic book fans. Those groups typically acknowledge that's what they're doing at least idk why this guy expects to be taken seriously with that attitude. Especially the Crisis Core thing, they could not have more blatantly connected that to the re-trilogy

 

[GamerSkull]

Ah the old "picking and choosing what's canon based on what suits you best" approach. Very popular amongst fanon shippers and/or comic book fans. Those groups typically acknowledge that's what they're doing at least idk why this guy expects to be taken seriously with that attitude. Especially the Crisis Core thing, they could not have more blatantly connected that to the re-trilogy

Crisis Core just got a re-release because it was relevant. The timing is intentional.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Crisis Core just got a re-release because it was relevant. The timing is intentional.

They're taking a very poorly worded question and answer to that question as "evidence" that nothing in it matters, despite it being more relevant than ever.

 

[GamerSkull]

You forgot about the "Head's I win tails you lose" as well.

Dumb take I encountered today that I cannot screenshot for you all because the guy who said it blocked me in a fit of "I'm not mad!" rage, none of the older Ultimanias are canon because remake project is "in its own world." This was from someone trying to argue that the whispers, not Jenova, were responsible for Cloud's memory issues.
He also said Crisis Core wasn't canon despite, you know, being referenced in Rebirth.

If it’s the whispers then why is Cloud the only one having memory issues. Surely, the whispers would try to mess with everyone else’s memory too, no?

 

[Ryushikaze]

If it’s the whispers then why Cloud the only one having memory issues. Surely, the whispers would try to mess with everyone else’s memory too, no?

The hypothesis was that Zack wasn't supposed to die so instead of healing Zack from death or preventing it, they just scooped his memories and plopped them into Cloud. That the arbiters of fate did this without straightening Cloud out at all and leaving in a backdoor that the villain he was supposed to defeat could use was not addressed. Despite me bringing it up. Seriously, if you want to see the exchange, check my reddit profile.

 

[GamerSkull]

The hypothesis was that Zack wasn't supposed to die so instead of healing Zack from death or preventing it, they just scooped his memories and plopped them into Cloud. That the arbiters of fate did this without straightening Cloud out at all and leaving in a backdoor that the villain he was supposed to defeat could use was not addressed. Despite me bringing it up. Seriously, if you want to see the exchange, check my reddit profile.

No, I’ll pass. I don’t want to lose anymore brain cells.

That sounds completely stupid. There’s nothing to indicate that… and if the whispers did that then Cloud would have verbatim all of Zack’s memories instead of the warped versions he has. And how does that square away the fact that Cloud remembers Zack?

None of this story would make sense if Jenova is suddenly a non-factor to Cloud’s psyche. He even refers to her as Mother several times.

By the way, how does this person square away Ever Crisis, in which the First Soldier story appears to be in continuity with ReTrilogy? Ever Crisis contains the events of Crisis Core and a young Angeal is showing up in the upcoming episodes.

And fuck, if even the villains of Dirge of Cerberus exist then why would Crisis Core, the more loved spin-off be non-canon?

 

[Ryushikaze]

No, I’ll pass. I don’t want to lose anymore brain cells.

That sounds completely stupid. There’s nothing to indicate that… and if the whispers did that then Cloud would have verbatim all of Zack’s memories instead of the warped versions he has. And how does that square away the fact that Cloud remembers Zack?

Oh, the hypothesis accounted for exactly zero variables and stood up to no rigorous examination. It's why the guy was so against the older sources. They told him he was wrong flat out.

Speaking of Jenova and Cloud's memories, the guy who was insisting Jenova didn't copy Zack's memories and twist them to make SOLDIER Cloud and his memories is still fighting against that fact, despite the multiple times in the UO alone it says Zack's memories influenced Cloud.