SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[pxl_pushr]

Apologies for being late on the response here. I just don't feel like avoiding scenes between two major characters that do in canon mean a lot to each other should be avoided just because they could be interpreted as romantic. If they stick to their guns and make clear CT and ZA are endgame I really wouldn't mind if there's a Clerith scene or two, Aerith is important to Cloud after all, and shippers are gonna ship regardless so why nerf the story for their sakes?

I think Aerith's death being given more focus than Claudia's is as simple as the devs knowing the player is gonna have more of an attachment to a main character than an NPC that dies in a flashback. I'd also argue the people you know for very briefly can still leave a massive impact on your life, but I do think this was done mainly for Doylist reasons.

That being said:

I agree. They've already expanded on Claudia and I'm sure they'll take some time to let Cloud (and Tifa) sit with her death for a bit in part 3

I’d go as far to say they’ve very much turned Claudia’s death into an actual mystery. They really didn’t have to include Sephiroth describing stabbing her, the weird out of sequence part of Cloud’s house burning, and her final words being heard from Sephiroth mocking him in Remake, and then in her own voice during the flashback.

Either Claudia is just the very first case of Cloud suppressing a traumatic memory, or ( which is my likely untrue suspicion) Aerith’s death has some eerie parallels to it, and that’s the real reason why it’s a double whammy.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Speaking of weird parallels, someone on twitter noted that during the final Rebirth fight with sephypoo, Cloud takes Zack's fighting stance before the battle, and when Zack awakens in the church after everything's over, he looks at his left hand, the same one Aerith grasped when she was back to back with Cloud before she faded.

 

[Reaper3Delta]

I’d go as far to say they’ve very much turned Claudia’s death into an actual mystery. They really didn’t have to include Sephiroth describing stabbing her, the weird out of sequence part of Cloud’s house burning, and her final words being heard from Sephiroth mocking him in Remake, and then in her own voice during the flashback.

Either Claudia is just the very first case of Cloud suppressing a traumatic memory, or ( which is my likely untrue suspicion) Aerith’s death has some eerie parallels to it, and that’s the real reason why it’s a double whammy.

But Cloud acknowledges that Claudia died during the Nibelheim massacre. There are blank memory spots during his visit to her house, that I hope are shown in Part 3.

 

[pxl_pushr]

But Cloud acknowledges that Claudia died during the Nibelheim massacre. There are blank memory spots during his visit to her house, that I hope are shown in Part 3.

That’s why I find it strange. It’s expanded but still vague, in fact there’s more holes where you didn’t need them. Why? Unless you’re hiding something, and if they save the real memory for the LS scene, then surely there’s significance to it.

 

[Reaper3Delta]

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JFC How can people take their takes for gospel beats me. SMH
IIRC is the same creator of the Blue Clearith baby theory BS. LMAO!

 

[Ryushikaze]

Yep, that's Cali. Given all her alts, they might all be Cali.

She used to post here but ran off in a huff claiming she had been banned. In reality her main account was never more than temp banned, but I went through and banned or merged at least five or six alts that made posts, and pre-emptively banned I want to say at least dozen more. Probably more, but I don't have access to the backup any longer.

 

[eleamaya]

But Cloud acknowledges that Claudia died during the Nibelheim massacre. There are blank memory spots during his visit to her house, that I hope are shown in Part 3.

I think it's because Cloud invited Zack to come and he's supposed to not remember Zack yet. CCFF7 show his invitation email.

 

[Hellenic]

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JFC How can people take their takes for gospel beats me. SMH
IIRC is the same creator of the Blue Clearith baby theory BS. LMAO!

So this is what it comes to when you don't get fed in the games themselves...

 

[pxl_pushr]

So this is what it comes to when you don't get fed in the games themselves...

Tbf to half of that list, I’ve seen some Cloti “proof” that also seems just as much of a stretch ( mainly around Remake, not so much Rebirth ) but the blue alien baby will always take the cake for me.

 

[Ryeleigh]

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JFC How can people take their takes for gospel beats me. SMH
IIRC is the same creator of the Blue Clearith baby theory BS. LMAO!

The chocobo one is okay-ish because the tail feathers are kind of reminiscent of fleur-de-lis style. The music box one with "Cloud's hair", though... I mean, that is clearly the meteor? You can even see the small materia dot there.

It's interesting how every non-canon ship which shippers insist on its canonicity ends up using the exact same arguments.

 

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Yeah sometimes fans read into things and it just sounds like Cheech and Chong. “I dropped acid and played Black Sabbath at 0.78 speed.” “What happened?” “I saw Cloud, man.”

 

[Ryushikaze]

Tbf to half of that list, I’ve seen some Cloti “proof” that also seems just as much of a stretch ( mainly around Remake, not so much Rebirth ) but the blue alien baby will always take the cake for me.

Which ones, out of curiosity?

The chocobo one is okay-ish because the tail feathers are kind of reminiscent of fleur-de-lis style. The music box one with "Cloud's hair", though... I mean, that is clearly the meteor? You can even see the small materia dot there.

It's interesting how every non-canon ship which shippers insist on its canonicity ends up using the exact same arguments.

The Chocobo on the shirt look more like coral to me from a distance, personally, but I can also see why someone could see flower.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Which ones, out of curiosity?


The Chocobo on the shirt look more like coral to me from a distance, personally, but I can also see why someone could see flower.

Biggest one that comes to mind is mostly surrounding the resolution scenes from Remake that I believe originate from SilverW’s tumblr? Mainly to do with windows and possible symbolism in the setting, it’s been a bit since I’ve read it.

Most of what I see from Rebirth are cut and dry references to ToTP, Lifestream sequence buildup, and how CT’s relationship flows through the story even without the GS Date. I’m sure there’s some out there, but I haven’t seen them yet.

 

[imach0c0]

Speaking of weird parallels, someone on twitter noted that during the final Rebirth fight with sephypoo, Cloud takes Zack's fighting stance before the battle, and when Zack awakens in the church after everything's over, he looks at his left hand, the same one Aerith grasped when she was back to back with Cloud before she faded.

Other than Cloud taking a stance VERY similar to Zack's (esp when Zack made that pose in a few scenes prior), the other part that stood out to me was when both Cloud and Zack did the "protect your honour as SOLDIER" in unison.

Do you think these are fan service moments or serve a narrative purpose?

 

[Eerie]

Biggest one that comes to mind is mostly surrounding the resolution scenes from Remake that I believe originate from SilverW’s tumblr? Mainly to do with windows and possible symbolism in the setting, it’s been a bit since I’ve read it.

The windows theory, luckily, wasn’t adopted. Because uhhh yeah, let’s say I couldn’t finish to read it and closed the tab fast on that one.

Other than Cloud taking a stance VERY similar to Zack's (esp when Zack made that pose in a few scenes prior), the other part that stood out to me was when both Cloud and Zack did the "protect your honour as SOLDIER" in unison.

Do you think these are fan service moments or serve a narrative purpose?

I think since they were both in the Lifestream, they were connected at a deeper level, especially considering Cloud has part of Zack’s persona.

 

[Hellenic]

Tbf to half of that list, I’ve seen some Cloti “proof” that also seems just as much of a stretch ( mainly around Remake, not so much Rebirth ) but the blue alien baby will always take the cake for me.

Yeah you can find some dumb stuff like this from them too but definitely way less. It's why i avoid people like SilverWield and their blogs that have some weird stretching done for some scenes. People love to overthink everything to find something that's not there.

 

[Hellenic]

Biggest one that comes to mind is mostly surrounding the resolution scenes from Remake that I believe originate from SilverW’s tumblr? Mainly to do with windows and possible symbolism in the setting, it’s been a bit since I’ve read it.

The windows theory, luckily, wasn’t adopted. Because uhhh yeah, let’s say I couldn’t finish to read it and closed the tab fast on that one.

Yeah that's the one. I should've browsed here a bit more before my earlier reply. I figured this Cloti wasn't worth following after seeing that weird ass window thing on top of hating Cloud on occasion too and the obvious Aerith hate that oozes out of her and some other Clotis.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Biggest one that comes to mind is mostly surrounding the resolution scenes from Remake that I believe originate from SilverW’s tumblr? Mainly to do with windows and possible symbolism in the setting, it’s been a bit since I’ve read it.

Most of what I see from Rebirth are cut and dry references to ToTP, Lifestream sequence buildup, and how CT’s relationship flows through the story even without the GS Date. I’m sure there’s some out there, but I haven’t seen them yet.

Not familiar with the windows theory. The only resolution theory that I've seen is a retroactive one from rebirth and that's that the Aerith resolution may have also been in a lifestream dream world.

Other than Cloud taking a stance VERY similar to Zack's (esp when Zack made that pose in a few scenes prior), the other part that stood out to me was when both Cloud and Zack did the "protect your honour as SOLDIER" in unison.

Do you think these are fan service moments or serve a narrative purpose?

Both? I think we might be meant to assume that Cloud and Zack managed to connect to each other despite Sephiroth, so Zack was helping out in that battle from 'inside' Cloud before being deposited back. Granted that's speculation and just saying that has gotten people complaining.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Not familiar with the windows theory. The only resolution theory that I've seen is a retroactive one from rebirth and that's that the Aerith resolution may have also been in a lifestream dream world.


Both? I think we might be meant to assume that Cloud and Zack managed to connect to each other despite Sephiroth, so Zack was helping out in that battle from 'inside' Cloud before being deposited back. Granted that's speculation and just saying that has gotten people complaining.

I saw that thread. Some interesting observations and maybe my memory is just failing me, but it did stick out to me that Cloud assumed the Punisher stance when he typically assumes the more defensive Operator stance.

It would also line up with him assuming Sephiroth’s stance in Gongaga. It’s worth considering especially since it’s part of an end segment where details like that could very well matter.

 

[Shadowstorm]

How we feeling about the anniversary EC wallpaper boys?

ngl, I got half a mind to have a look at the cope on the other side

 

[Ryushikaze]

How we feeling about the anniversary EC wallpaper boys?

ngl, I got half a mind to have a look at the cope on the other side

It's very cute. Especially as Cloud looks, get caught, looks away, and Tifa moves closer.

I suspect some folks are absolutely seething.

I saw that thread. Some interesting observations and maybe my memory is just failing me, but it did stick out to me that Cloud assumed the Punisher stance when he typically assumes the more defensive Operator stance.

It's slightly different than the punisher stance, I think, the hand is further away from the blade. I'd have to go back and play or watch the sequence again to be sure though.

It would also line up with him assuming Sephiroth’s stance in Gongaga. It’s worth considering especially since it’s part of an end segment where details like that could very well matter.

The most interesting thing is after the fight when Zack wakes up and stares at his left hand for a moment, a hand that hadn't been focused on for him previously in the game IIRC. He touched Aerith through the lifestream with his right hand and wrapped her ribbon around that one, yet it's his left hand, then one Aerith held at the end of the fight, that he focuses on. It's a strange detail for him for the devs to add and what got me thinking it might be more than just a cool visual.

 

[Sacky]

It's crazy people are still lying about Tifa wanting a Hero despite the fact she only made the promise to one boy. Sad when it's someone just asking for Traces confirmation cause the new angle is to say Tifa is an unreliable narrator for her whole childhood XD
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFVIIRemake/comments/1f3vypb/_/lkh58hv

 

[Maidenofwar]

I don't see anything except thirsting over Cloud probably because the wallpaper was a leak, well it was just a cursory search.

 

[Rin]

It's crazy people are still lying about Tifa wanting a Hero despite the fact she only made the promise to one boy. Sad when it's someone just asking for Traces confirmation cause the new angle is to say Tifa is an unreliable narrator for her whole childhood XD
https://www.reddit.com/r/FFVIIRemake/comments/1f3vypb/_/lkh58hv

Reminds me that I've been having some frustrating convos with people on twitter lately about Tifa, Brian, and Nibelheim in general. There seems to be this pervasive thought of the characters and story that expands beyond actual canon. I guess it's just well accepted fanon that's existed over the course of FF7s lifespan but .... it's annoying when there's no actual caon material to backup what they say and when you point to canon material that debunks it, they ignore it lol.

And this goes beyond just CAs because I don't really have time to argue or debate w/ them bc I think it's a waste of time, but it's actually CTs and general Cloud stans who are guilty of this as well.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Reminds me that I've been having some frustrating convos with people on twitter lately about Tifa, Brian, and Nibelheim in general. There seems to be this pervasive thought of the characters and story that expands beyond actual canon. I guess it's just well accepted fanon that's existed over the course of FF7s lifespan but .... it's annoying when there's no actual caon material to backup what they say and when you point to canon material that debunks it, they ignore it lol.

And this goes beyond just CAs because I don't really have time to argue or debate w/ them bc I think it's a waste of time, but it's actually CTs and general Cloud stans who are guilty of this as well.

The idea that Brian Lockhart is a horrible person for getting mad at Cloud when the other boys threw him under the bus and Cloud refused to defend himself to protect Tifa, or something else?