SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Skilganon]

@Eerie I mean, they decided to completely change C and T's relationship at he beginning of Remake. These two didn't flirt like that in the OG. They also kiss on the skywheel. And also a lot of other moments where Tifa falls down and Cloud catches her and they look into each other's eyes. So yeah, I would say the writers are making the CT relationship more clear. They are setting up for a relationship that looks more mutually fulfilling, and they are doing it in the games, not in novels or spinoffs or movies. It just wonder why it took them such a long time to do this.

It also annoys me when people claim "Cloud loves both". It sounds diplomatic but really undermines Cloud and Tifa's character arcs. Ditto for people saying "SE picking a ship would be too divisive". They already did.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Having seen a certain dev post CA date then like a post of comments including great couple, best pair, the hashtag clerith etc, about how iconic and great Cloud and Aerith were together, then post the CT date, I'm convinced in some ways the devs just don't want people to feel left out.

 

[Skilganon]

It'll be more difficult for the devs to "not leave everyone out" if part 3 follows the OG story. It's going to make a lot of those tweets look strange in retrospect.

 

[Eerie]

Having seen a certain dev post CA date then like a post of comments including great couple, best pair, the hashtag clerith etc, about how iconic and great Cloud and Aerith were together, then post the CT date, I'm convinced in some ways the devs just don't want people to feel left out.

Hamaguchi is doing a lot of PR. I personally think he’s the one they sent to try to understand what fans thought lol. He’s an Aerith fan but also an FFVII fan, and understands really well the story as a developer. As for Nojima, I think he’s only liked CT tweets, but his likes feel very full of intent.

I do think they wanted CAs to be happy with this part, because it was Aerith’s game so to speak; but CAs don’t seem to realise that despite that they still told a CT love story and p3 is still going to be Tifa’s game. And ZA is still brewing too: p3 is going to be the CT and ZA resolutions, CA has already had it in Rebirth.

 

[Reaper3Delta]

Business is business. Video games are business. Business=Money. They are engaging all sides as a whole for business purposes. FF7 is very good business.

 

[Skilganon]

I find it morbidly ironic that SE has this ad campaign, "Seize the awkward" about raising awareness of mental illness, yet if you look at FF7 related material on Twitter or the like, you'll find the LTD leeches into many conversations and doesn't bring out the best in people.

 

[null]

@Eerie to your Ever Crisis point - I think Tifa would make a great Celes. Not quite as straightforward as Aerith->Terra, but they both have that "good person caught up in bad things because plot" vibe. I don't mind if Tifa uses a sword, but I think the yellow Amano outfit is a must (as opposed to the green leotard).

Posting here for the obvious: given that Celes is such an obvious omission, I wonder if they thought it would be controversial to have Tifa play her.

 

[Maidenofwar]

Eh they could have went with gender swapped Cloud for Celes and left Locke out idk.

If the intention was to avoid controversy I think that kind of backfired given the uproar to the extent someone was telling the official Ever Crisis account to kill themselves.

I wouldn't have minded Terra, Celes, or Relm for Aerith. Never used to be big on Celes but now I'm like ice and opera count me in. Would have adored Mog fit for anyone too.

 

[ForceStealer]

Sephiroth should have been Celes.
Terra and Aerith is obvious.
Tifa lining up with VI's monk also makes perfect sense to me. They even both have "suplexing way oversized things" moves. And I think she looks great.
VI doesn't have a clear corrollary to Cloud, Celes is probably the closest, but I think she fits Sephiroth better.

Edgar-Sephiroth doesn't really make any sense. While Cid is of course the first thought with the machinist angle, I think Barret would have gone with Edgar well, too. With the gun and "leading resistance faction" elements. Of course they never do anything for Barret despite him being the best character in the remake project so far. (He should have had a Steiner outfit, too).

As I said in the other thread, Shadow-Yuffie with Interceptor-Sonon would have been glorious.

Also we could have had a nightmare-fuel shaved Red-Gau

 

[Eerie]

Only Tifa was given a role that sticks to their classes, ONLY HER. Think about the disrespect there. I thought for sure they chose FFVI because they can show off BOTH Aerith (who as Terra was evident for me) AND Tifa. To me, this is NOT a ship question, I think to every Tifa fan this is not a ship question, it's a respect question. I will never see Tifa as Jill, this role will be given to Aerith if there is ever an FFXVI crossover. Garnet was an hommage to Tifa and was given to Aerith. Yuna? Lol it's Aerith, etc etc. It was the only instance where I could have had Tifa as an FF heroine, everyone knows this.

But no they gave a half arsed outfit to Tifa. That doesn't even LOOK LIKE A MONK OUTFIT. And they gave it clownish colours instead of blue and white from the main game (when everyone has main game 1:1 outfits).

You know what it's an average outfit. It's not a "bad outfit". What makes it BAD is that it's supposed to be for an FF crossover. It doesn't have an FFVI style, it's just a normal every day outfit. You could buy this online on Amazon, a blue top, a yellow cargo and green baskets. That's HOW BAD IT IS.

 

[ForceStealer]

It is extremely clearly based on Sabin's concept art. So Sabin doesn't wear a monk's outfit?

Only Tifa was given a role that sticks to their classes, ONLY HER. Think about the disrespect there.

I fail to see any way in which this constitutes disrespect. She is FF7's resident monk class. And indeed is one of only a few characters in VII whose job class is abundantly clear, along with Yuffie and Cid.
Aside from being a woman, I don't see what similarities she even has with Celes. As I say, Celes has much more in common with Sephiroth and Cloud than Tifa.

I agree that a Yuna crossover would probably go to Aerith, but I don't think you're right about Jill. Tifa has way more in common with her with being a childhood friend and more of a fighter rather than a mage.

You don't have to like the outfit, obviously, but I don't understand the reading of disrespect. If anyone was 'disrespected,' it was Celes for being left out. (Oh, and Barret, for being ignored again.)

 

[Eerie]

It is extremely clearly based on Sabin's concept art. So Sabin doesn't wear a monk's outfit?

She. Is. Not. Wearing. Those. Pants. I don't know how to explain it to you but she is wearing CARGO PANTS. She does have a skin with monk-style pants, these have been shown in the Zangan style outfit for her that her fans actually love and want to get. Instead they give us CARGO PANTS. THIS IS NOT A MONK OUTFIT, I REPEAT MYSELF, and certainly NOT FFVI-styled. Amano would never have dared.

Aside from being a woman, I don't see what similarities she even has with Celes. As I say, Celes has much more in common with Sephiroth and Cloud than Tifa.

IDK stuff like, being the second heroine of a game, IDK. Promoting Tifa as an ACTUAL FFVII HEROINE you know, the kind of stuff they do not do.

I agree that a Yuna crossover would probably go to Aerith, but I don't think you're right about Jill. Tifa has way more in common with her with being a childhood friend and a fighter rather than a mage.

Nah. They don't consider Tifa as a heroine, I think it's rather clear that 100% of the heroines outfits are going to Aerith. The fact that Tifa is the only one who has to stick to her class is very infuriating AND disrespectful to her role in FFVII.

I am exhausted to have to fight so that fans consider her as a heroine, but when SE does things like that, it's even more infuriating. And lol I see that the marketing FFVII team is trying to extinguish the fire, but the day they'll consider Tifa as anything else than cashcow, we'll talk.

 

[Sacky]

So to add onto this why would they chose concept ART???? the actual skin looks nothing like that or any sabin skin except for a trading card, and even then they didn't add the details of sabin. If you honestly didn't know that there was an FF6 collab and you got shown Tifa's skin. Would you think Sabin? or do you not see the cargo pants that are more orangey tbh with a black pouch and light blue tank top? They didn't even give her Sabins pointed shoes????? no green parts either

Why is it every other character got a skin that actually represents the FF6 character while Tifa got a weird fusion of modern and fantasy monk thats half assed to put it politely. She looks like a construction worker Lara croft not a monk? and the only character who must be in their class so for every single collab no need to guess who tifa will be and how uncreative the costume will be. Zell she will have blue jeans and a tank top. When she should have Rinoa but can't wait to see them attempt to make Aerith look like Rinoa

 

[null]

My bad, I was trying not to derail the EC thread with my comment. I didn’t mean to throw an off-topic grenade in the LTD’s toilet instead.

The crossover is fun, I like Tifa as Sabin but yeah it would have been nice if Celes and Barret were involved. Love the idea of Red as a well-spoken Gau

 

[Skilganon]

I'm more upset that Cloud doesn't have a Celes outfit. Locke doesn't suit him at all, he's a thief and very outgoing. Cloud and Celes have very similar backstories. If they keep giving men's outfits to women, why not the reverse? The cowards. He would have looked great in Celes' OG outfit with the weird shoulder plates and cape.

People said Lightning was a "female Cloud". Wrong. Cloud was a male Celes.

 

[Eerie]

no green parts either

Her shoes are green actually.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Sephiroth should have been Celes.

I say he should have been Kefka, but they're using Kefka in the event. Cloud works for Celes in terms of role more than Locke, but in terms of attitude, he's Shadow.

Terra and Aerith is obvious.
Tifa lining up with VI's monk also makes perfect sense to me. They even both have "suplexing way oversized things" moves. And I think she looks great.
VI doesn't have a clear corrollary to Cloud, Celes is probably the closest, but I think she fits Sephiroth better.

I think they phoned the outfit in, personally. It's extremely basic and lacks a lot of his additional touches.

Edgar-Sephiroth doesn't really make any sense. While Cid is of course the first thought with the machinist angle, I think Barret would have gone with Edgar well, too. With the gun and "leading resistance faction" elements. Of course they never do anything for Barret despite him being the best character in the remake project so far. (He should have had a Steiner outfit, too).

More love for Barret, agreed.

As I said in the other thread, Shadow-Yuffie with Interceptor-Sonon would have been glorious.

Nah, make her Relm. Maybe still with interceptor Sonon.

And make Vincent Strago.

Cait Sith can be Setzer with his moogle getting an Umaro look.

Red can be Gogo. Zack is Gau.

 

[Eerie]

I think you are overestimating just how much the EC team is ready to work on their events. Barret will never get a limited banner either, he's already got like 2 outfits? It's a real shame IMHO. He's one of the most beloved characters and he's the one with the less outfits, I'm really miffed personally.

 

[Ryushikaze]

I think you are overestimating just how much the EC team is ready to work on their events. Barret will never get a limited banner either, he's already got like 2 outfits? It's a real shame IMHO. He's one of the most beloved characters and he's the one with the less outfits, I'm really miffed personally.

I have zero expectation that any of my suggestions would be implemented, I just know they're good ones.

 

[Xombii]

If you think about it, maybe rebirth IS genius, because everyone seems so gaslit and insecure and are fighting each other. Just like Jenovaroth wants. I suspect everyone is going to feel pretty uncomfortable for a while in P3. Imagine if this is all a massive psyche out...

I'm still pretty upset with all the 'Just Aerith.' nonsense though

 

[Skilganon]

What's the 'Just Aerith' nonsense?

 

[Empyrea]

What's the 'Just Aerith' nonsense?

Probably a reference to "Just Monika" from DDLC. Maybe they mean the ending where we don't know if she's alive or dead or whatnot

 

[Hellenic]

People can keep coping all they want but she's very much dead. All this nonsense ship war crap just ain't worth thinking about at this point. The sooner people stop fighting over stupid stuff at Twitter the better, but ofc it's never gonna stop is it.

 

[Xombii]

Probably a reference to "Just Monika" from DDLC. Maybe they mean the ending where we don't know if she's alive or dead or whatnot

Yea, sorry, I guess I was being a little facetious. I basically mean the theory people seem to have that Aerith is somehow playing 5d chess with Sephiroth, playing with reality or the lifestream or whatever, and is therefore the actual main character and way more important than anyone else ever. I love Aer but some people really seem to want her to be a shiny goddess of some kind. I personally don't think that's what they game is getting at and I sort of agree that there's a lot of Jenova going on there. Jenova pretends to be your loved ones to manipulate after all.

I also think Cloud shoulda been Celes.

 

[Maidenofwar]

I mean she is more or less a goddess in AC, I still remember the materia jesus meme. Consequently my least favourite version of Aerith, at least CC Aerith started to grow on me over the years. FFVII vanilla, and the remake series (at least Remake/Rebirth) will
always be my favourite Aeriths. She's not perfect, with some very human flaws, and that's what I love. She wanted so much to just be a normal girl after all.

People can keep coping all they want but she's very much dead. All this nonsense ship war crap just ain't worth thinking about at this point. The sooner people stop fighting over stupid stuff at Twitter the better, but ofc it's never gonna stop is it.

No she's not how dare

I kid but speed runners just recently discovered a new map manip that lets you skip all the way to City of the Ancients after getting out of Midgar, that lets you "keep" Aerith. She's Scroedngers Aerith.

At this point though it's Zack, Aerith, and Sephiroth are "dead" but it doesn't seem to stop them any. They still are very much present. Zack might only be in lifestream worlds or memories or whatever but people still care about him and don't want anything to happen to him. So many streams I watch streamers react with sheer joy or love when Zack shows up. They don't care that he's "dead" especially while on their first play of Rebirth, playing through the story and trying to work out what's going on, sometimes it doesn't even cross their minds he may not be actually alive until theory time.

The devs are partially responsible, they are the ones that said Aerith was of the utmost importance, and Zack is the planet or something, whatever that means.

What if they pull out a surprise banner and Zack is Celes