LNK
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Yeah, I connect with him on how he treats Marlene. He's such a jellybean.
I sure hope Marlene still gets screen time in between this and the ending of this series. Even they're just minor scenes
SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke
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I sure hope Marlene still gets screen time in between this and the ending of this series. Even they're just minor scenes
Tennyo
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I take offence to this utter disrespect for, and erasure of, Yuffie.
BlankBeat
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It is showing a clear shift in Cloud's behavior & personality.
Cloud goes from NOT being a high-five type person to becoming a high-five type person when around Aerith.
Cute gif, though!!
Graymouse
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My God, I can't wait for Yuffie reveal! She is going to be a fun character!
Graymouse
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To throw some spice, Like we need more, How about that scene with Aerith and Marlene, when Marlene shows Aerith where her flower went. I believe at that moment, it is when Aerith knew that Cloud and Tifa belong together. She understood the irreplaceable presence that Tifa has in Cloud's heart.
Aerith Smiled.
Edited to add, conveniently the scene happens before the "dream sequence" in CH14.
Aerith Smiled.
Edited to add, conveniently the scene happens before the "dream sequence" in CH14.
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The Twilight Mexican
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Just want to let everyone know I moved half-ish the posts this thread has accumulated to one of the other threads where they were a better fit -- and also, more importantly, to take a moment to thank everyone for keeping it nice and breezy in here. 
I'm genuinely grateful and proud of everyone here!
I'm genuinely grateful and proud of everyone here!
LNK
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Even if we go into which was the most clear cut, its still subjective. The case could be made for Jessie, when they were riding motorcycles in ch 4.
Even when we first meet her, is gonna have me laughing lol. Hopefully it'll play out similar to the OG
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I had to rewatch that scene and wow, yeah, she stops cold and just stares at that flower for a long minute. Very awkward with a lot of visual space. Drawing a blank on other reasons she'd do that.
That edit though!
Goddamn this is making my night. Did not make either of those connections, and haven't even seen it mentioned elsewhere. This is the goods!
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LNK
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@BlankBeat i can tell you're passionate about Aerith and Cloud. You should debate a certain Jessie/Cloud fan from here haha. It seems like most of the rest of us have the one we prefer, but we won't deny what the other character means to Cloud 
Shadowfox
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For that matter, Aerith and Tifa made a date with each other too.
And on the high fives... they weren't used to indicate romance. They were used as a means to highlight how socially unaware Cloud is and how he still needs to figure out how to do basic interaction with the people he's with.
Maidenofwar
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If we're bringing headcanons into this my HC is when Tifa is telling Leslie not to give up over Reunion flower necklace that he might still find his fiance she was also telling Cloud he would find Aerith too and being supportive of them ?
Graymouse
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I see what you did there, however it is not in the same contex as what happened in Seventh Heaven with Aerith and Marlene.
If you recall Aerith did ask Cloud about the flower she gave him. Asked if he gave it away. Cloud responded that he did. Immediately afterwards Aerith asked who he gave it to and Cloud says that he don't recall. ( I know, I know) Then Aerith says, I thought you don't like to lie.
Later in CH13 Aerith obviously finds out who he gave the flower to.
In the scene that you just described Tifa was being her normal supportive self. So, I am not understanding your point there.
Graymouse
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I believe that Tifa and Aerith had more connections this time around.
This is excellent storytelling where they make you feel and understand the characters on a personal level. It is going to be even more painful to watch the later chapters of the the story arch. I am sure that Tifa is going to be devastated! Just like the rest of us!
One is more open and the other is more reserved. Who knows If you combine both Tifa and Aerith you might get the perfect women for Cloud.
This is excellent storytelling where they make you feel and understand the characters on a personal level. It is going to be even more painful to watch the later chapters of the the story arch. I am sure that Tifa is going to be devastated! Just like the rest of us!
One is more open and the other is more reserved. Who knows If you combine both Tifa and Aerith you might get the perfect women for Cloud.
Maidenofwar
They/Them
My point is there is no actual proof (i.e supporting Ultimania evidence, etc) to confirm Aerith is giving up on Cloud, giving her blessing to Cloud, etc or anything, these are simply assumptions, interpretations and HCs and not something meant to prove the intended couple in debate I think (unless it can be confirmed by Ultimania, etc)
My interpretation of Cloud saying he didn't recall who he gave the flower to in response to Aerith is that he didn't tell her because he had racked up three date offers by then and he wanted to keep his options open, including with Aerith, but I'm not going to say it as fact.
My interpretation of Cloud saying he didn't recall who he gave the flower to in response to Aerith is that he didn't tell her because he had racked up three date offers by then and he wanted to keep his options open, including with Aerith, but I'm not going to say it as fact.
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Master Bates
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Mood.
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Yes it's an interpretation, but it's a pretty good one, though I'm interested in your take on it. What's going through Aerith's mind when she sees the flower?
Also, do we really need to rely on the Ultimania so much? Mostly they just repeat what we can plainly see. I feel like every time new commentary comes out, we just end up arguing over things like koi___________bito.
Graymouse
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I never said that Aerith is giving up on Cloud. I said at that point in that scene at the Seventh Heaven, is when Aerith came to realize that there is more to clouds relationship with Tifa then she realized.
To give more contex to the Aerith and Marlene scene, In game, during Aerith and Clouds walk to sector 7, During one of Clouds headache Cloud calls out Tifa's name, This is the fist time Aerith hears her name. Aerith goes on to ask if she is his girlfriend. Of course Cloud says no (at this point in the story noone is) Aerith teases him about it and even says that Tifa is special to him.
So, my point is this, during the Seventh Heaven scene, it is when she realizes that Tifa is very special to Cloud.
I think you are aware that I lean towards Tifa and Cloud. So of course I interpret that scene that way. However, I never once said that Tifa and Cloud is the cannon couple.
Maidenofwar
They/Them
A lot could be going through Aerith's mind when she sees the flower "Follow the yellow flowers" there's clearly alot going on with those flowers, not exclusive to romance, or maybe nothing at all in that particular instance other than need to take Marlene and get out of danger/this war zone right now.
Graymouse
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Also, in the dream sequence it is my interpretation that she did give up on Cloud at this point. If I recall it is Aerith who told Cloud to not fall in love with her. Right? If you combine all that I said before it makes a lot of sense on why she said that. Again this is coming for a very bias Cloud X Tifa.
Of course it is open for debate, thus is why this thread exists!
Frankly I love this! I love reading other peoples interpretations.
Maidenofwar
They/Them
She said what she said but I think she also took into account Cloud's response including "Don't I get a say in this" and "I'm coming for you" I think that made her happy, "If that's what you want"
Graymouse
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The thing with that is this, Aerith knows the meaning of that flower. In fact she told Cloud the meaning of that flower. I think personally it was pretty crappy that Cloud didn't tell Tifa, but oh well. Tifa found out by being resourceful. If you are being truthful I don't really think that particular moment could be interpreted differently. Yeah, there was a lot of stuff going on at that time. However, you can't avoid the fact that Aerith knew the meaning behind the flower. Just saying.
I am not trying to make it romantic all I am saying is, that is when Aerith had her Eureka moment and connected the dots about Tifa and Cloud, and the fact that Tifa is very special to Cloud. That is all I am saying.
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Master Bates
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I agree. However, on the other side of that very same coin, Tifa can be construed bossy as well. Especially forcing Cloud into Avalanche, I know that she did that to keep an eye on him and to keep him close.
Why are the ladies in FF7 so manipulative to Cloud!Poor Cloud!
Jessie, Tifa, Aerith... they're all so manipulative. But I don't pity Cloud. He needs to grow some balls and end this madness!
Re: Chapter 14 cutscene, I'd like to invoke a snippet of Barret's.
When Barret was talking to him, Cloud was looking away silently listening like he doesn't care too much what Barret was saying (but of course we know Cloud is just being tsundere here, he actually cares deep down)
Then when Barret mentions something about a guy from Avalanche pulling out the flower moves on Tifa, Cloud's reaction was suddenly on alert. It was so funny to me. Then Barret told him Tifa rejected the guy and Cloud visibly relaxed.
I think that was a lovely little detail.
Scot-88
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I think the love triangle was really well done in the remake. Cloud is indeed a lucky dude. I'm not really a shipper myself but I am an old romantic at heart lol got to say I disagree strongly with the idea that once he met Aerith it became all about her. He wants to go straight to sector 7 and is talked into staying overnight, but with a promise to sneak away alone and never to return. And then the next portion of the game is all about Tifa. He didn't dance and dress like a woman for Aerith. It was all to save Tifa. For someone like Cloud. Doing a dance routine and dressing like a woman is a lot harder than drawing his sword.
Graymouse
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Jessie, Tifa, Aerith... they're all so manipulative. But I don't pity Cloud. He needs to grow some balls and end this madness!
Re: Chapter 14 cutscene, I'd like to invoke a snippet of Barret's.
When Barret was talking to him, Cloud was looking away silently listening like he doesn't care too much what Barret was saying (but of course we know Cloud is just being tsundere here, he actually cares deep down)
Then when Barret mentions something about a guy from Avalanche pulling out the flower moves on Tifa, Cloud's reaction was suddenly on alert. It was so funny to me. Then Barret told him Tifa rejected the guy and Cloud visibly relaxed.
I think that was a lovely little detail.
Just the mention of Tifa's name in that story visibly upset Cloud. I love his "Of course she did" comment and the way Cloud relaxed afterwards.
honestly I would have loved to see that conversation is person! Haha!
Again, this is what I love about this game. So many small details that are just waiting to be discovered, no matter what side of the isle you are on. It is the result of damn good writing!