Yeah wasn't Modeoheim the snow area with the factory looking place where Zack met Cloud for the first time? I can see them making the party walk through the same area and Cloud could get a flash to his first meeting with Zack there or something and we could rejoice about another take on Me? Gongaga while were at it
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Well we'll at least likely get moments showing they love eachother. It's something. They do have at least things to resolve and talk about it will be interesting. But I just don't know if that's like a finale thing or will we see them throughout. I actually really like Zerith so I am very curious how they handle this.
Because everyone wants to talk about the LTD and nothing else about the game ofc
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It's so tricky they need the impact of Aerith's death, but they also need to build up Zerith for newcomers. I think best thing to do is have them get the reunion right after crater in the church. then have an Aerith Zack playable chapter during the time Tifa is unconscious, and then don't show them until the end parts again.
I mean, if you don't hate her enough, you become a lying Cloti who just pretends to like Aerith.
Was there anything about monkeys on it, perhaps?
No, because that's not really how narratives work. Like, there could be attraction during the period where she's still alive, but then the narrative swings super hard into telling us it's Tifa and has always been Tifa- and Retrilogy is seeding this in much heavier beforehand - that it's actually kind of less mean to Aerith if he doesn't catch feelings at all.
Yeah that's how you get labeled biased and a brainwasher and all sorts of other things. Stating you think Cloud winds up with Tifa at the end is enough for the battle lines to be drawn sometimes. Ask me how I know.
Ultimanias as a whole have been strongly anti C/A and pro C/T in their statements, really.
Is that the artist who designed for Case of Denzel animated?
It's called a purity spiral and it's actually sort of fascinating.
You can say his name. He has forfeited his right to obscurity and should be mocked for his actions.
As mentioned above, this is the purity spiral. It happens to all sorts of movements. Members of a group or movement start chopping out members of what would normally be their own ingroup for the crime of failing to live up to the extremely exact standards. Often paired with no true scotsman style arguments and retroactive disavowal of now objectionable elements of a group.
These however are more akin to special pleading, or the motte and bailey strategy. The motte being the more approachable "reasonable" position that "it's all optional" and the bailey being their actual beliefs that it's always been Aerith.
They're still trying to use the GS date as evidence, but now it's stuff like "It didn't show a kiss in Tifa's section on the date" and "Aerith's date was shown in Cloud's section talking about all the dates so that means it's the one that happened."
Legit I think it's desperate denial.
Ruthless, but rather dumb.
It's going to be a complete and utter shit show. The strategic popcorn reserve may need to be mobilized.
It was indeed, and it's in the area.Yeah wasn't Modeoheim the snow area with the factory looking place where Zack met Cloud for the first time? I can see them making the party walk through the same area and Cloud could get a flash to his first meeting with Zack there or something and we could rejoice about another take on Me? Gongaga while were at it
In the romantic sense no,
I personally don’t agree with the interpretation that Cloud remains oblivious to Aerith’s feelings in the entirety of Rebirth, we saw him initiate undoubtedly romantic acts towards Tifa at GS, and we’ve seen him push away Jessie’s advances in Remake; he may be awkward and mentally stunted but I think he knows his social cues and is able to distinguish the lines between platonic and romantic. His dynamic with Aerith (at least since Remake) had always been indulging her wishes. If I were to put myself in Cloud’s shoes, I think I’d eventually understand that this girl is into me (at first cause I reminded her of her first love), she’s become dear to me, and I have fun spending time with her, but also when she tries to confess to me the first time at GS I’m like “You really need to know what happened to that other guy you still like after not seeing for a long time who you keep comparing me to” and at the end of it after holding her hand I feel like I didn’t even do anything. The dream date was confusing for Cloud because it was clear Aerith knew more than she let on but I don’t think he was unaware of the implications of that experience, he saw that yellow flower pin and remembered it’s Leslie’s gift to his girlfriend, the GS date was Aerith’s optional confession, while the dream date was the confession/resolution between the two characters that the plot demanded.
I saw it said "Square Enix" did the design, so I figured it was an in house artists, it just looks so much like the animation style of Episode Denzel.
Also highlights that the Aerith we see afterwards isn't really her, or at least a different version. it makes no sense for the scene that is very obviously directed as a goodbye, to be followed up again by the same Aerith just being there. So if we accept that that was actually the last time Cloud and Aerith spend significant time "together", then it makes no sense for the story to show that as anything but clearly romantic IF it were romantic. However, if it was something being "cut-off", in this case the concept of them as a romantic pair, then the entire atmosphere of the scene fits, because that makes it a "I can let go" type scenario.
I 100% think we will, there is no shot that we won't see Cloud slowly break. The opening will be something with him holding the black Materia like Bilbo holds the ring, while smiling at a creepy ghost Aerith or something.
I genuinely think it's for the best if part 3 spends more time on Aerith and Zack than it does on Aerith and Cloud. To build that ship up again. When it comes to Cloud I think Aerith should probably be limited more to a mother who is relieved and almost gleeful to see Tifa step up as Clouds pillar. I would love to see Aerith reach an understanding of what actually was wrong with Cloud and to see her get some closure for that though.
Be careful though, I hear that if you say his name 3 times in a mirror he shows up.
Don’t lie, you are secretly a Cloti who hates Aerith. /s
To me Aerith is still bold, maybe not forthright exactly but she still confessed twice, it’s just her way of expressing herself is pure and innocent but I get why you didn’t like it especially with CoLW in mind; but if this dream date is after CoLW then I think it’s still fair for Aerith to reach that conclusion (or rather having reached a lack of conclusive certainty of the nature of her feelings for Cloud); ngl I think this ambiguity is part of the appeal of CA, while I don’t ship them, they’re just special to each other no matter if romantic/platonic boundaries are even drawn, that’s why their goodbye in that scene still made my heart ache.
I agree with the mother part. Especially since it was kind of a thing in AC with Kadaj and Cloud calling Aerith mother when they felt her presence.
I think a cool thing they can do is just have Aerith present normally. She’s with the group and is accompanying them, but nobody but Cloud ever directly talks to her and she seldom chimes in when the group is talking, and then eventually that builds up into Cloud realizing she’s not actually there.
The characters is the bread and butter for me in the retrilogy easily and even if i don't like some story directions they've taken like with the endings so far, the characters alone carry the games for me hard. I've never been so attached to a group of characters in a game honestly as i am with these guys.
Is this not also a CC easter egg? Doesn't Zack also say "Mom?" Before he wakes up? Then an "angel?" when he opens his eyes? I can't remember. (Anyone remember?)
I’m a sucker for romance, what hooked me is Cloud and Tifa. If you put a good romance in a game it will become my favorite game.
I think I’m in the same boat. I don’t particularly like some of the directions they’ve taken with the story either. But the character work is great to me.
Oh I never knew/realized Cloud was supposed to be oblivious to both girls in OG. It’s just my opinion that his portrayal is a bit different in the Retrilogy though, because I surmised that if he’s capable of initiating romantic acts himself, it just makes sense to think that he’s gotta have awareness to some extent.
Gongaga bedroom scene alone is worth it to be honest. That scene is incredible
Zack hears his real mother’s voice in his dream while he’s asleep, saying “Tell me what happened” that’s what makes him respond “Mom?”