Of course not. My wife. My touchy.
You're welcome for that setup btw.
In the series finale she meets Johnny and decides "Okay, they are normal... in comparison."
Only to be informed that nah, Johnny is closer to true normal than any of us. Start over in defining normal kid.
Even Nuclear would be a better option, really, but yes, wind and solar as well.
With rigid safety and disposal standards nuclear is amazing. It's getting those standards and keeping them that's the big problem. Plus unlike sun and wind, you gotta mine for uranium and the like, might make a better mirror for our big boy. Also the eco-terrorist in him might be wary of nuclear power so... drama! UST disguised as drama! Resolving the UST FGJ! I'm all in for this now.
Hypocrisy is always sad. Even when it's funny.
Nah, Anastar was the old master, fallen as the hate of the old apprentice makes them the new master.
Well congrats to Bane then, the rule of two works.
And you arrive precisely when you mean to?
Indeed. I should also mention that when the building is on fire, it's not my fault.
Now let's see where you go next, continue the original quote chain, switch to referencing wizard quotes, derail it sideways. The choices are yours.
It pops up. Never mind that repeatedly it's described as "the family [Cloud and Tifa] were forming in edge," Four year old Marlene is the true arbiter of the family unit.
Time marches on but bad faith arguments divorced from all logic remain the same.
But does your roommate continue to hang about around your bed in the middle of the night while you sleep? That's the part that's strange for a roommate but not for a lover. If you pass out on the couch and roommate sticks around that's one thing, because that's the public part of the house. Your bedroom is another matter entirely.
RIP, my joke. We hardly knew ye.
It's away from Tifa but without intending to be, was what I was trying to get at.
Agreed, Cloud never meant to harm Tifa or the kids. As you and I have both referenced, by the time Cloud leaves for the church he's in full "it's better for them this way" mode.
That was some of the classic nonsense on Anastar's old site. Her and FFG.
Which one was FFG? Did they fail to make a strong impression or am I just old?
Yeah, that's why it is important to pop up and say "that's not correct" every so often.
Despite the old "someone is wrong on the internet" meme, you have to do this sometimes. Because it's true, they are on the internet
and they are wrong. Within reason having their incorrect position challenged can only be good for them if they allow that goodness in. Just don't hold your breath.
Sometimes outright lies too.
It's at it's worst when the outright lies go on so long they forget they're lying.
I believe there's an ever in there as well, but yes. Many years ago, when I was extremely frustrated I compiled a list, I think I called it the short simple list or something like that, and it was just a bunch of statements, from developers, about C/T, about how they belonged together or were special or unique to each other. That line was on the list.
You could hear Ryu's teeth grinding around the world when this was going on. Kids would fearfully ask if those were the cries of the Planet, and their parents would shush them and explain "no sweetie, that's just the sound of pedantry denied by willfully disregard of the facts, it won't hurt you"
Always huh? I guess as a Clerith I have to hate Tifa by default then. No choice.
This is why we need a specific name for bad faith Cleriths. It was easier when they were all from Pink Hell and we could just use that.
In fact I hated Tifa so much I had a blog post on how Cloud's answer to Do you love Marlene is supposed to be his answer to Tifa's "Do you love me?" And the answer being yes but I just don't know how to act around her sometimes. Which was what kicked off my series of essays on ACC. I was kinda facinated by the writing style in COT.
Your vitriol is noted. Amazing how motivating true spite is, innit?
What can I say. Nothing is stopping my fated rage towards her.
Burn it all child, burn it all. Also I hope you can sense my sarcastic piss taking here, you're obviously not Pink Hell material.
Seriously, we need a shirt, snappy, evocative name for Cleriths who lie/dismiss/etc in the name of their ship. Vote on it or something.
Hm. Though I have to say. I really like listening to people who have no idea about LTD stuff try to puzzle it out. My husband does like romance he just doesn't care for any debates about it. While I'm all for debates because I like arguing I guess.
I came in here the very first time for an argument, found out this is abuse
It's funny how different outside perspectives can be. Also very insightful. And I really think the main people you need to convince are those outsiders and more casual fans to end the LTD not the people entrenched in the war for years. And I think ReTrilogy is on the way to do just that.
You're not wrong, you know. The loud and proud minority will largely slink off to their own private caverns to talk shit about Tifa once the majority stops listening. Thems my thoughts.
I'm half joking. Don't worry about it. But also it's frustating that this is definitely a common sentiment because of how Loud the vocal ones are. They drown everyone else out.
That's every fandom and political issue ever. The vocal element, often in the minority, just makes things painful for everyone else.
But in seriousness even my mutuals who still think CA is canon also don't hate Tifa. In fact some like her more than you would think. It's just we get labled as Not CAs when that happens so I can see how the impression came about. The most vocal are the ones that are associated the most with the fandom while the rest are just kind of in the corner. Some are just waiting and seeing how ReTrilogy turns out.
This feels like Tifa returning segways in Costa del Sol to me. The people who hate Tifa for getting in the way of their ship, the Tifa being just so sweet and helpful it should be impossible to hate her. Unlike the in-game chicklet though, a lot of people close their eyes and lalala so they can keep hating. Honestly thank you for showing folk what a sane Clerith looks like, you and Maiden are lovely to have in this tired old thread.
And as I mentioned I do definitely think the LTD from the inside looks much worse than it is,
You can only see the real mess from within
but from the outside the general audience just goes with whatever they see on screen.
To be fair, that's how most people arguing Cloti here on TLS reached their conclusion in the first place, Cloud/Tifa is what's on screen.
And CT and ZA have been a lot more pushed recently so more people do accept it.
Fair enough, the shift from Lego people to the best face acting in modern games plus having a much longer playtime to utiluze does help with clarity.
You also just have these outside audience go with whatever they see of the character so they generally like them and are not mischaractizing them.
Being frank, I'm still convinced most of the mischaracterizations you see from more rabid shippers are on purpose. And just as often about hurting the other side as about propping up their own.
And I think in general these people will eventually just outnumber the more stubborn vocal and extreme fans.
May the vocal minority be drowned out by the silent acceptance of canon by the masses.
