You feel like Servo to me.
I do have a svelte seductive voice.
In a way UTH is a microcosm if this. You can change what the middle shows you, but the end results are always the same.
Yeah, the finale, as it were, is fixed. Romantic feelings are shared without words. We change the words leading up to that, not the feelings.
Fuse them into Nojimura so we can have both.
Too much like an actual surname. Nojura. Has a Kaiju like quality to it.
I'd say you're the sniper, I'm on spotter duty. We agree on the view, take the shot.
Well, to that I say Blam.
Tis easier to fool folk than to make them admit they've been fooled, even when the one who fooled them is themselves.
Especially then.
Ahhh of course, so nanoseconds are too long then.
It's technically a negative amount of time.
Time is an illusion, after all. Once you realize this, it's easy to see that Tifa is Cloud's past. And present. And future. Tifa is always.
I mean she's literally the woman of his past present and future.
I do so admit, lemme just hop over to 2fort and grab my Degreaser and Brigade Helm.
Do a spy check or two while you're over there. Just good business sense.
The household has been informed of my intentions.
Excellent.
That sounds awful in a wonderful way indeed.
Also Imagine Sonic having to deal with Dialup.
He was useful for waste disposal
But yeah Eat-Man remains top dog in this eating contest.
Out of curiosity, did you ever see the show Mighty Orbots? It has another character who had the power "eat anything" but he was literally a walking power plant and converted everything he ate into energy for the super robot he was a part of.
Your judgement is usually sound
I try.
Gotta protect that precious grain. Also I want one of them to be chubby with an unlikely ginger patch on its head, and Cloud to name it "Bro"
My brain short circuited on the reference because it's stuck on Barret originally being called Bro and him getting very confused whenever someone calls for the cat and not knowing why.
Nice, that's a difficult technique for most. I'm still trying to figure out how I accomplish my best voice trick, which is voicing a character and his clone-turned-intelligent sword speaking in unison. People at the table flinch, it's great.
Is it basically an echo effect you're doing?
I've had cats like that. And a dachshund, oddly
Some of the little dogs just complete lack any and all fear.
I refuse to embrace the use of literally to mean figuratively. I'm a crotchety old man now and I will die on this hill forever. So again, I agree, I just wanna encourage folks to be clear with how they use all the words.
I am also in favor of Literally not being used simply for emphasis but instead for cases where it's use is warranted.
I wish Cloud and Tifa were training that kid. It's a dangerous world out there after all. Plus if he's trained world's best swordsman Cloud and world's best martial artist Tifa may end up fighting a bit like Zack, that'd be nice.
It'd be cool to see a compilation title set like 12-15 years down the line and it's Denzel and Marlene going adventuring while the old folks stay home. Yuffie is the grizzled veteran of their group, at least until Red and Vincent join back up.
See, it's fucked up no matter how you slice it. I could absolutely see two "orphanages" that really exist for gang war recruiting or out fights in this game world, maybe in Sector 5. But not run by Tifa or Cloud. Them I see rescuing fuckin' orphans and killing the proprietors.
Yeah it was an absurd notion from the start, and the only reason is came about was people insisting Cloud and Tifa had nothing to do with each other.
I still have a hard time believing that mess of claims even happened. Just, ffs why?
Some people will absolutely just fucking lie to win, especially if they think it's "the right thing to do."
It doesn't mean what I want it to mean?! How can this be?! It must be lies you filthy Cloti heretic! BURN THE HERETIC IN AERITH'S NAME!!!!!
That about right?
Close. It misses the fact that they didn't stop using the translations from before he became a heretic. Those were still trustworhy. Just anything that was even remotely C/T was dismissed.
That's fucked up, Hito worked hard on that shit. People shouldn't fuck with anyone's work of course, but seriously back off Hito ya dicks.
Hito had similar words for them, yes.
Ahhh yes, the old "let's hope no one understands how Japanese works" defense.
That seems to be going around again, what with making shit up about japanese romances.
I seriously have never seen the argument that holding hands was more intimate than a kiss before... except of course in gag comics where it's the height of lewdness for a succubus, but that's neither here nor there.
Looking forward to seeing the new SSL24.
I'll start grabbing quotes over the next little bit.
I never could conceive the sassy slum girl being made out this way. Though to be fair, that's not too different from many actual saints.
That her fans paint her like that has always boggled me. Aerith is not worldly, but she's far from naïve about the shit that goes on in the slums in particular.
Vague and easily seen as preconceived and self-serving.
There is that too.
Long and the short of it, Reeve just explicitly has no gift of prophecy.
When Cloud holds Aerith's hand, is that Cloud just being a good friend and comforting Aerith in that moment? Or was Cloud mutually responding to Aerith's romantic feelings?
He is trying to comfort her. Right before he does it she asks "Just for now, let me have this, just until the ride ends" I am paraphrasing here, but she specifically asks him a favor there.
New claim: Tifa wasn't as into Cloud in Rebirth as she was in OG.........
Even setting this aside that this is not true... so what? The question at hand is who does Cloud want to be with romantically. That's still Tifa.
You guys really do hate clerith fans.
Not true. Many of the people who get hate here are Cleriths, but the hate is because of their extremely disingenuous manner of debate.
No we hate liars, people refusing to aknowlege official materials and more or less, people not respecting the story of the FF7 Compilation.
Clerith are more than welcome. Ship is something for fun. Good for them if they find Aerith and Cloud looking good together. Nothing wrong with that.
What's wrong is gaslighting others that disagree with this ship being canon when the story ends.
And lying about evidence, language, cultures, etc.
from what I've seen on twitter and reddit some zerith and cloti fans do the same. wouldn't you agree?
Fuck them too, then.
As a Clerith fan, I find this false. You are kind of putting all fans of clerith into this toxic box. Really the game presents that Cloud is too young and inexperience to pursue anything. But by Advent Children we know he is living with Tifa (I think Barret lives there too time to time) and has adopted a family.
Editing for misspellings.
As has been mentioned, much of this is in response to current Clerith talking points, like the "Cloud kisses Tifa out of petty jealousy because Aerith likes Zack" and "Only prostitutes are kissed in Japan/ Japanese media." One of which is bizarre and nonsensical and the other is misogynistic and racist.
I'm really sorry, I don't think i'm getting across what I'm trying to say. Let me try this again.
During either Tifa or Aerith's GS date - Cloud mentions about Zack - What I found really odd about this interaction is that Cloud is either on a date with Aerith or Tifa (whoever you had high affinity with) and mentions about 'Aerith's feelings for Zack' according to the Tifa date or if Tifa mentioned Zack during the Aerith date. Because he on a date with one of these girls, why are you bringing up someone else's relationship? I was watching the streamer Rogerbase when he was watching the Tifa GS date and he was yelling at Cloud, 'don't you bring up Aerith ...' It was really funny to watch. But he is right, Cloud you idiot you are on a date with Tifa why are you bringing up Aerith.
So my point is why did the writer decided to add this line of dialogue here on the gondola? Why not add it while they were walking or something? Or do this in another scene? It was just a really odd choice to have it during the GS date and not somewhere different.
So Zack actually comes up on three of the six dates- Yuffie brings him up too- because Zack is a big deal, but there's an in character reason as well for Cloud to bring it up- Zack's death and Aerith's reaction is waying heavily on him.
Zack was his best friend. He now remembers Zack's existence and that Zack was super serious about Aerith and he might seriously regret calling him a loser. He wants Aerith, also his good friend, to know that he didn't ghost her, he died and that's why he didn't come back. He's wrong about the where though not about the why on that one. That's why he brings it up in Aerith's date. He wants to do right by the both of them.
In the Tifa date, there are many reasons to bring it up. One, it's still weighting on him for all the reasons I spoke about above, but also he might also be worried about himself dying with his own feelings being unsaid, so he brings Zack up as a way of segueing into his own feelings. It doesn't come out quite right because Cloud is a lovably awkward dork, but he and Tifa manage to reach a consensus here as he reassures her she's not moving to fast, that they're on the same page, and he smooches her. All the the dates are a step removed from being "the canon date" but they're all in character, if that makes sense.
There’s something this shows and Tifa haters don’t want people to see: it’s that both girls actually lie to Cloud to keep him afloat. For decades they have spewed that Tifa is a liar, still do, and that’s why she’s toxic and Cloud is better with Aerith. If anything that proves that this is mot true at all.
She's not even lying, except by omission. And yes, it's entirely to keep Cloud's psyche intact and Aerith and the rest of the gang are going along with it because they are all worried about old chocobo head.
I also want to address another thing that popped up earlier, and that's the idea that Cloud is eliding Zack from his memory so he can feel special, and that's not it. Cloud is trying to live on for Zack and honor his memory, but his mind is so fucked up that what he manages to cobble together is a house of cards heavily built from bits of Zack. He doesn't remember Zack at first because his subconscious won't let him remember Zack because Remembering Zack is both way too painful and might make his mind crack. Cloud doesn't want to forget Zack, he's mad at himself for forgetting Zack, for example. His mind just wouldn't let him remember until he had enough of his own mind built back up.
It is fascinating that he remembers sooner in Rebirth than he does in the OG, though.