SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[Eerie]

Iirc one of the Ultimania quotes is that they communicated their feelings of desire without words lol. Go around that one (I think I have it at home so not sure of the source).

 

[Yoru]

Sex is technically up in the air, yeah, but them literally sleeping together isn't since in both LA/HA you see them wake up together w/ Tifa's head on his shoulder. So either way, they spend an emotionally intimate night together.

"But he's just comforting her... that's why he lets her on his shoulder... learn to read the mood bro"

me preparing my 8k footage of the GS Aerith's date

 

[GamerSkull]

We why would Tifa be crushed the others saw them cuddling tho lol.

Plausible deniability from people who don’t want it to happen.

 

[Sacky]

Honestly, Cloud and Tifa probably just played Monopoly together that night.

Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel
"Tifa walks up to Cloud"
so i would really appericate it if we could finally have that tea party i wanted with you ages
ago, i made that promise so we could finally have one.
"Cloud realises there has been a misunderstanding."
"Cloud feels a sense of anti climax"

 

[GamerSkull]

Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel
"Tifa walks up to Cloud"
so i would really appericate it if we could finally have that tea party i wanted with you ages
ago, i made that promise so we could finally have one.
"Cloud realises there has been a misunderstanding."
"Cloud feels a sense of anti climax"

Yes, definitely an “anti-climax”.

 

[Sacky]

Iirc one of the Ultimania quotes is that they communicated their feelings of desire without words lol. Go around that one (I think I have it at home so not sure of the source).

The line “Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.

Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.

Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).

For something to be more extreme, the original thing must be extreme XD so with all that said,
They held hands all night

 

[pxl_pushr]

Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel
"Tifa walks up to Cloud"
so i would really appericate it if we could finally have that tea party i wanted with you ages
ago, i made that promise so we could finally have one.
"Cloud realises there has been a misunderstanding."
"Cloud feels a sense of anti climax"

Tifa, why do you have two bunny girl outfits?

 

[GamerSkull]

The line “Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.

Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.

Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).

For something to be more extreme, the original thing must be extreme XD so with all that said,
They held hands all night

But it was interlocked!

 

[Sacky]

But it was interlocked!

 

[Eerie]

The line “Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.

Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.

Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).

For something to be more extreme, the original thing must be extreme XD so with all that said,
They held hands all night

Actually no it’s another quote lol. It’s not that interview.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Iirc one of the Ultimania quotes is that they communicated their feelings of desire without words lol. Go around that one (I think I have it at home so not sure of the source).

FF 20th Anniv Ultimania "For the One I love" page I want to say 232? It's kind of been seared into my memory from citing it so fucking often.

 

[nars305]

"But he's just comforting her... that's why he lets her on his shoulder... learn to read the mood bro"

me preparing my 8k footage of the GS Aerith's date

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This is so unbelievably CURSED.

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW.

 

[GamerSkull]

This is so unbelievably CURSED.

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW.

That face was my exact reaction when I got home and my Rebirth Deluxe Edition had arrived.

 

[Yoru]

This is so unbelievably CURSED.

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW.

This is what war does to a man.

 

[Suteki]

Honestly, Cloud and Tifa probably just played Monopoly together that night.

Man I've been lurking here since I beat Rebirth for old time's sake and I intended to keep quiet, but holy mother of Gaia did you just unlock some repressed memories of the old guard fighting against some crazy takes! "They just played cards" was a common thing to see about the UTH scene.

 

[nars305]

Speaking of war…what’s with the “Tifa is an unreliable narrator” thing? I saw someone on Twitter go on a huge tangent about Cloud being a loner and Tifa wanting a hero, and basically disregarding every thing ToTP says about their childhood.

It’s like all of a sudden I get these weird takes thrown at me when usually I just liked to view the fan art lmao. Maybe it’s my warning to remove myself from Twitter.

 

[Yoru]

Speaking of war…what’s with the “Tifa is an unreliable narrator” thing? I saw someone on Twitter go on a huge tangent about Cloud being a loner and Tifa wanting a hero, and basically disregarding every thing ToTP says about their childhood.

It’s like all of a sudden I get these weird takes thrown at me when usually I just liked to view the fan art lmao. Maybe it’s my warning to remove myself from Twitter.

The goal of this take is to explain she can’t be the one helping Cloud during the LS scene.

Problem with this take is the same as always. It just shows this people didn’t understand what the game is saying. Tifa is not an unreliable narrator. She’s not delulu. She just doesn’t understand why Cloud knows so much about the Nibel incident when from her POV he wasn’t there.

As if the scene was written for all of this to make sense the moment Tifa understands that Cloud was here all along…. Oh wait.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Man I've been lurking here since I beat Rebirth for old time's sake and I intended to keep quiet, but holy mother of Gaia did you just unlock some repressed memories of the old guard fighting against some crazy takes! "They just played cards" was a common thing to see about the UTH scene.

I mean, I’m willing to compromise and say they played strip poker

 

[GamerSkull]

Man I've been lurking here since I beat Rebirth for old time's sake and I intended to keep quiet, but holy mother of Gaia did you just unlock some repressed memories of the old guard fighting against some crazy takes! "They just played cards" was a common thing to see about the UTH scene.

No way that’s a legitimate argument.

Well, tbh can’t say I’m surprised.

Also, welcome back!

 

[Eerie]

Speaking of war…what’s with the “Tifa is an unreliable narrator” thing? I saw someone on Twitter go on a huge tangent about Cloud being a loner and Tifa wanting a hero, and basically disregarding every thing ToTP says about their childhood.

It’s like all of a sudden I get these weird takes thrown at me when usually I just liked to view the fan art lmao. Maybe it’s my warning to remove myself from Twitter.

Oh you stumbled on Margot lol that one is crazy and more a selfxCloud shipper than a CA shipper tbh. She also spends her time dissing Tifa. You can block her, you’ll lose absolutely nothing

 

[GamerSkull]

Oh you stumbled on Margot lol that one is crazy and more a selfxCloud shipper than a CA shipper tbh. She also spends her time dissing Tifa. You can block her, you’ll lose absolutely nothing

Yeah, I believe I saw a few of her tweets. She just seems like a Tifa hater. I’d block her just like I do with Aerith or Zack haters.

 

[null]

Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

 

[GamerSkull]

Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

I’ve heard many people call him their “son.”

 

[abzy1200]

I thought Cloud was godawful as a father figure tbh. He was drinking alone, ignoring Marlene, hiding from Tifa, being negative in general, acting childlike (normally when a woman feels like a mother to her partner, that's a red flag, not an enjoyable new feeling). And all that was before bringing a sick orphan home - kind of an obviously bad idea? Then briefly acting like a normal father before going out for cigarettes. These are all less than mature things to do in my opinion.

But to your point, Cloud is generally shown to be mature. That's why I support glossing over his mental issues instead of continuing to spotlight them without taking them to their logical conclusions. FFVII tends to lurch between hyper realism and shounen anime logic, and I get whiplash from constantly re-adjusting my engagement to the appropriate level. (Same problem with Star Wars.) PTSD is a serious topic. It's not something that can be neatly solved at the end of a movie. Nor do I want to be reminded that Cloud is an awkward inexperienced dork in Tifa's resolution scene, because the story is going to charge ahead as if that weren't the case. I don't want to get hung up on these details, they're not enriching the world of FFVII for me, so just let Cloud be abnormally stable and mature in spite of everything and let's move on.

The reason I bring it up is because, I think, that building up Cloud and Tifa so much only to have them split up off screen would be lame, and the characters involved wouldn't benefit from it. Especially if it's because of a mental age gap that isn't even necessarily Cloud's fault. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but Tifa is confident in Cloud even when things are rough between them, that much we can get from TKAA. So I doubt she would break it off with him going off of what we see in CoT/ACC.

But yeah, now that I think about it, Cloud could have been a better father figure. Like you said, he steps up once he brings Denzel home, but only before leaving, but there has to be some kind of negative premise set for Advent Children to work, that's why I want it redone because they didn't go about it in a way that Cloud didn't seem like some kind of asshole. But then again, if I remember correctly his issues that make him a bad father figure were a result of his depression, which is most likely healed by the end of ACC, so it can't really be assumed that he continued to be immature in this regard after he comes back home. When things were good he was taking small steps forward, I don't know why it isn't reasonable to assume he continued taking more steps forward when things are better again post ACC.

Iirc one of the Ultimania quotes is that they communicated their feelings of desire without words lol. Go around that one (I think I have it at home so not sure of the source).

FF 20th Anniv Ultimania "For the One I love" page I want to say 232? It's kind of been seared into my memory from citing it so fucking often.

This one?:

FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 27; Tifa’s profile
“If Tifa’s affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm their feelings of desire/wanting for one another.”

This is the 'For the one I love' page:

FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario, pg. 394; “For the One I Love” page
“Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, he confirms with her feelings that can’t be expressed in words.”

Because he's the sort to try- or claim to try- and show a movie to grade schoolers to win an online argument.

An online argument he lost from the get-go, mind you.

Plus he's not actually looking for Aerith at all, but Sephiroth.

and Aerith herself talks about his light in a way that she can't really be talking about herself.

I mean, nothing with Tifa playing Rosa would contradict with the dates. You have Aerith doing Rosa on 4 of these dates and it's not her with Cloud on the dates itself on all of those afterall.

Except the same doesn't apply to Tifa, you only get her as Rosa if you got her date. So if she's the 'canon' Rosa, it can only be on her date.

Oh you stumbled on Margot lol that one is crazy and more a selfxCloud shipper than a CA shipper tbh. She also spends her time dissing Tifa. You can block her, you’ll lose absolutely nothing

Yeah, I believe I saw a few of her tweets. She just seems like a Tifa hater. I’d block her just like I do with Aerith or Zack haters.

There's no way Margot isn't a troll, nothing she comes up with could come from a sane human.

Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

I think it's because Aerith's relationship with Cloud is more opposites attract, people tend to be into that. Aerith is less of the spunky girl in Crisis Core with Zack than she is with Cloud in subsequent compilation material, so I think people would rather self-insert as a confident woman as opposed to a slightly more demure one. Especially when said spunky woman would most likely wear the pants in the relationship, not that there is anything wrong with that, by the way.

 

[Hellenic]

Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

Maybe people can't relate to him as well as they can to Cloud perhaps? He's too "out there" or such. Or he just simply doesn't exist to these people couse OG is the only compilation title that matters afterall .

Or maybe like you said, people want to protect that dorky man Cloud instead of being swept under their feet by the great guy that Zack is.