SPOILERS LTD Remake — It's like New Coke except ... no, it's exactly like New Coke

[pxl_pushr]

Words aren't the only way to tell someone how you feel
"Tifa walks up to Cloud"
so i would really appericate it if we could finally have that tea party i wanted with you ages
ago, i made that promise so we could finally have one.
"Cloud realises there has been a misunderstanding."
"Cloud feels a sense of anti climax"

Tifa, why do you have two bunny girl outfits?

 

[GamerSkull]

The line “Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.

Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.

Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).

For something to be more extreme, the original thing must be extreme XD so with all that said,
They held hands all night

But it was interlocked!

 

[Sacky]

But it was interlocked!

 

[Eerie]

The line “Words aren't the only thing that tell people what you're thinking,” right? That was quite a mature conversation for a FF game.

Kitase: But I remember having to get another version that was too intense toned down.

Nojima: The original idea was more extreme. The plan was to have Cloud walk out of the Chocobo stable on board the Highwind, followed by Tifa leaving while checking around, but Kitase turned it down. But even with the line in question, maybe at that time none of us thought it would be something so important (laughs).

For something to be more extreme, the original thing must be extreme XD so with all that said,
They held hands all night

Actually no it’s another quote lol. It’s not that interview.

 

[Ryushikaze]

Iirc one of the Ultimania quotes is that they communicated their feelings of desire without words lol. Go around that one (I think I have it at home so not sure of the source).

FF 20th Anniv Ultimania "For the One I love" page I want to say 232? It's kind of been seared into my memory from citing it so fucking often.

 

[nars305]

"But he's just comforting her... that's why he lets her on his shoulder... learn to read the mood bro"

me preparing my 8k footage of the GS Aerith's date

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This is so unbelievably CURSED.

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW.

 

[GamerSkull]

This is so unbelievably CURSED.

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW.

That face was my exact reaction when I got home and my Rebirth Deluxe Edition had arrived.

 

[Yoru]

This is so unbelievably CURSED.

APOLOGIZE RIGHT NOW.

This is what war does to a man.

 

[Suteki]

Honestly, Cloud and Tifa probably just played Monopoly together that night.

Man I've been lurking here since I beat Rebirth for old time's sake and I intended to keep quiet, but holy mother of Gaia did you just unlock some repressed memories of the old guard fighting against some crazy takes! "They just played cards" was a common thing to see about the UTH scene.

 

[nars305]

Speaking of war…what’s with the “Tifa is an unreliable narrator” thing? I saw someone on Twitter go on a huge tangent about Cloud being a loner and Tifa wanting a hero, and basically disregarding every thing ToTP says about their childhood.

It’s like all of a sudden I get these weird takes thrown at me when usually I just liked to view the fan art lmao. Maybe it’s my warning to remove myself from Twitter.

 

[Yoru]

Speaking of war…what’s with the “Tifa is an unreliable narrator” thing? I saw someone on Twitter go on a huge tangent about Cloud being a loner and Tifa wanting a hero, and basically disregarding every thing ToTP says about their childhood.

It’s like all of a sudden I get these weird takes thrown at me when usually I just liked to view the fan art lmao. Maybe it’s my warning to remove myself from Twitter.

The goal of this take is to explain she can’t be the one helping Cloud during the LS scene.

Problem with this take is the same as always. It just shows this people didn’t understand what the game is saying. Tifa is not an unreliable narrator. She’s not delulu. She just doesn’t understand why Cloud knows so much about the Nibel incident when from her POV he wasn’t there.

As if the scene was written for all of this to make sense the moment Tifa understands that Cloud was here all along…. Oh wait.

 

[pxl_pushr]

Man I've been lurking here since I beat Rebirth for old time's sake and I intended to keep quiet, but holy mother of Gaia did you just unlock some repressed memories of the old guard fighting against some crazy takes! "They just played cards" was a common thing to see about the UTH scene.

I mean, I’m willing to compromise and say they played strip poker

 

[GamerSkull]

Man I've been lurking here since I beat Rebirth for old time's sake and I intended to keep quiet, but holy mother of Gaia did you just unlock some repressed memories of the old guard fighting against some crazy takes! "They just played cards" was a common thing to see about the UTH scene.

No way that’s a legitimate argument.

Well, tbh can’t say I’m surprised.

Also, welcome back!

 

[Eerie]

Speaking of war…what’s with the “Tifa is an unreliable narrator” thing? I saw someone on Twitter go on a huge tangent about Cloud being a loner and Tifa wanting a hero, and basically disregarding every thing ToTP says about their childhood.

It’s like all of a sudden I get these weird takes thrown at me when usually I just liked to view the fan art lmao. Maybe it’s my warning to remove myself from Twitter.

Oh you stumbled on Margot lol that one is crazy and more a selfxCloud shipper than a CA shipper tbh. She also spends her time dissing Tifa. You can block her, you’ll lose absolutely nothing

 

[GamerSkull]

Oh you stumbled on Margot lol that one is crazy and more a selfxCloud shipper than a CA shipper tbh. She also spends her time dissing Tifa. You can block her, you’ll lose absolutely nothing

Yeah, I believe I saw a few of her tweets. She just seems like a Tifa hater. I’d block her just like I do with Aerith or Zack haters.

 

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Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

 

[GamerSkull]

Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

I’ve heard many people call him their “son.”

 

[abzy1200]

I thought Cloud was godawful as a father figure tbh. He was drinking alone, ignoring Marlene, hiding from Tifa, being negative in general, acting childlike (normally when a woman feels like a mother to her partner, that's a red flag, not an enjoyable new feeling). And all that was before bringing a sick orphan home - kind of an obviously bad idea? Then briefly acting like a normal father before going out for cigarettes. These are all less than mature things to do in my opinion.

But to your point, Cloud is generally shown to be mature. That's why I support glossing over his mental issues instead of continuing to spotlight them without taking them to their logical conclusions. FFVII tends to lurch between hyper realism and shounen anime logic, and I get whiplash from constantly re-adjusting my engagement to the appropriate level. (Same problem with Star Wars.) PTSD is a serious topic. It's not something that can be neatly solved at the end of a movie. Nor do I want to be reminded that Cloud is an awkward inexperienced dork in Tifa's resolution scene, because the story is going to charge ahead as if that weren't the case. I don't want to get hung up on these details, they're not enriching the world of FFVII for me, so just let Cloud be abnormally stable and mature in spite of everything and let's move on.

The reason I bring it up is because, I think, that building up Cloud and Tifa so much only to have them split up off screen would be lame, and the characters involved wouldn't benefit from it. Especially if it's because of a mental age gap that isn't even necessarily Cloud's fault. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but Tifa is confident in Cloud even when things are rough between them, that much we can get from TKAA. So I doubt she would break it off with him going off of what we see in CoT/ACC.

But yeah, now that I think about it, Cloud could have been a better father figure. Like you said, he steps up once he brings Denzel home, but only before leaving, but there has to be some kind of negative premise set for Advent Children to work, that's why I want it redone because they didn't go about it in a way that Cloud didn't seem like some kind of asshole. But then again, if I remember correctly his issues that make him a bad father figure were a result of his depression, which is most likely healed by the end of ACC, so it can't really be assumed that he continued to be immature in this regard after he comes back home. When things were good he was taking small steps forward, I don't know why it isn't reasonable to assume he continued taking more steps forward when things are better again post ACC.

Iirc one of the Ultimania quotes is that they communicated their feelings of desire without words lol. Go around that one (I think I have it at home so not sure of the source).

FF 20th Anniv Ultimania "For the One I love" page I want to say 232? It's kind of been seared into my memory from citing it so fucking often.

This one?:

FFVII Ultimania Omega, pg. 27; Tifa’s profile
“If Tifa’s affection regarding Cloud is high, when the two stay behind at the airship, they will confirm their feelings of desire/wanting for one another.”

This is the 'For the one I love' page:

FF 20th Anniversary Ultimania File 2: Scenario, pg. 394; “For the One I Love” page
“Thanks to Tifa, Cloud regains himself, and before the final battle with Sephiroth, he confirms with her feelings that can’t be expressed in words.”

Because he's the sort to try- or claim to try- and show a movie to grade schoolers to win an online argument.

An online argument he lost from the get-go, mind you.

Plus he's not actually looking for Aerith at all, but Sephiroth.

and Aerith herself talks about his light in a way that she can't really be talking about herself.

I mean, nothing with Tifa playing Rosa would contradict with the dates. You have Aerith doing Rosa on 4 of these dates and it's not her with Cloud on the dates itself on all of those afterall.

Except the same doesn't apply to Tifa, you only get her as Rosa if you got her date. So if she's the 'canon' Rosa, it can only be on her date.

Oh you stumbled on Margot lol that one is crazy and more a selfxCloud shipper than a CA shipper tbh. She also spends her time dissing Tifa. You can block her, you’ll lose absolutely nothing

Yeah, I believe I saw a few of her tweets. She just seems like a Tifa hater. I’d block her just like I do with Aerith or Zack haters.

There's no way Margot isn't a troll, nothing she comes up with could come from a sane human.

Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

I think it's because Aerith's relationship with Cloud is more opposites attract, people tend to be into that. Aerith is less of the spunky girl in Crisis Core with Zack than she is with Cloud in subsequent compilation material, so I think people would rather self-insert as a confident woman as opposed to a slightly more demure one. Especially when said spunky woman would most likely wear the pants in the relationship, not that there is anything wrong with that, by the way.

 

[Hellenic]

Does no one ship themselves with Zack? Is he chopped liver amongst self inserters? I always wondered why we only hear about Cloud-wives. Maybe he just gets those protective instincts going.

Maybe people can't relate to him as well as they can to Cloud perhaps? He's too "out there" or such. Or he just simply doesn't exist to these people couse OG is the only compilation title that matters afterall .

Or maybe like you said, people want to protect that dorky man Cloud instead of being swept under their feet by the great guy that Zack is.

 

[Eerie]

I’ve heard many people call him their “son.”

Yeah I know one CT who does but she’s not a selfxCloud shipper at all lol. She is just overprotective because Cloud is her favourite and people keep having bad takes about him. She’s very much a CT fully committed shipper that aside.

 

[nars305]

Oh you stumbled on Margot lol that one is crazy and more a selfxCloud shipper than a CA shipper tbh. She also spends her time dissing Tifa. You can block her, you’ll lose absolutely nothing

I did block immediately, there’s interesting interpretations and then there’s….that one. I can’t handle that kind of stuff.

 

[GamerSkull]

Yeah I know one CT who does but she’s not a selfxCloud shipper at all lol. She is just overprotective because Cloud is her favourite and people keep having bad takes about him. She’s very much a CT fully committed shipper that aside.

Well, I meant Zack, not Cloud.

But actually I’ve seen both be called “sons” too so it makes sense.

 

[GamerSkull]

Maybe people can't relate to him as well as they can to Cloud perhaps? He's too "out there" or such. Or he just simply doesn't exist to these people couse OG is the only compilation title that matters afterall .

Or maybe like you said, people want to protect that dorky man Cloud instead of being swept under their feet by the great guy that Zack is.

Funnily enough, I’d say the OG still argues Cloti. But I suppose Zack and Zerith is pretty bare so it makes sense.

 

[Hellenic]

Except the same doesn't apply to Tifa, you only get her as Rosa if you got her date. So if she's the 'canon' Rosa, it can only be on her date.

My whole thing was a hypothetical situation where Tifa would be the default Rosa in which case she would be applied similarly to Aerith right now, where you have Aerith as the Rosa in some dates regardless if you pick her or not.

Ofc with the way the game is, Tifa is only there IF you pick her, but i was more suggesting a setup where both Tifa and Yuffie would get to participate in the Event Square stuff regardless of your date picks and Aerith would get the singing part as her thing, while Tifa could be Rosa and Yuffie could play some other role in the play just to have everyone participate at all times. Also i don't count Cid or Vincent here couse they are barely part of the group at this point in time.

Nonetheless they didn't handle it like this, so it's a pointless thought now anyway. Just something that popped to my mind when doing all the dates yesterday.

 

[Hellenic]

Funnily enough, I’d say the OG still argues Cloti. But I suppose Zack and Zerith is pretty bare so it makes sense.

Yeah my assumption is that people don't really project themselves to be with Zack simply because he was barely a character in OG and said people didn't really warm up to him through Crisis Core either.

I for one gotta admit that Crisis Core barely made me care about Zack as a character either. It's actually Rebirth that made me enjoy his character a lot more. I put blame on the crappy writing and dry delivery of Crisis Core honestly.

EDIT: Though keep in mind i haven't watched or played CC Reunion yet, so i don't know if they made this stuff feel better there, but my impression is based on OG CC.