LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Dashell]

Okay so Cloud randomly walks into a flower field full of flowers that look like Aeriths' flowers for no reason.. gotcha

 

[Vendel]

Okay so Cloud randomly walks into a flower field full of flowers that look like Aeriths' flowers for no reason.. gotcha

Then he goes and fucks Tifa's brains out.

You have to do better than FLOWERS ARE AERITH, THEY JUST ARE. For me to believe it Q. Then you have to be a miracle worker for me to believe that is some hint at C/A. Let alone some sign of true wuv.

 

[Dashell]

You have to do better than FLOWERS ARE AERITH, THEY JUST ARE. For me to believe it Q. Then you have to be a miracle worker for me to believe that is some hint at C/A. Let alone some sign of true wuv.

FYI I'm not saying the flowers mean Cloud is Aerith's true lurve or anything, but the flowers are, as you put it, a nod to Aerith. Why there's a nod to Aerith would depend on your view of the compilation.

 

[Vendel]

I can do things also.

you know I guess I don't feel every bit of Clerith evidence needs to be refuted like they think every bit of Cloti evidence has to be refuted. I mean hell I'll give them the ending of Dissidia and a couple things in FFVII, they should let us have feelings for each other

 

[Dashell]

THINGS

I mean why the flowers are there as an Aerith reference is up to your view on the compilation.
I always saw it as Aerith leading him back to his world really... others see it as true lurve.

If you have a view of the entire compilation being Clerith I can understand why they think that is too. I do think it's an Aerith reference but I think it is for different reasons.

 

[Vendel]

I hate this whole idea of "hints."

Is there really a secret answer locked in a vault somewhere? Am I the only one who thinks the very idea is ridiculous?

You are not alone.

I find it equally ridiculous to "give" the CiC anything. "Okay you can have dissidia". Um no.

If you believe that C/T is canon then GIVE THEM NOTHING! BUT TAKE FROM THEM, EVERYTHING!!!

Why the fuck would SE give out "clerith hints" in the compilation?

 

[Dashell]

If you can tell me a reasonable explanation as to why Cloud walked through flowers at the end of Dissidia that does not involve Aerith, I'll listen.

and I'm only giving them the ending, I don't believe Cloud was holding onto Holy or anything.

 

[Vendel]

If you can tell me a reasonable explanation as to why Cloud walked through flowers at the end of Dissidia that does not involve Aerith, I'll listen..

Give me a reasonable explanation why it does involve Aerith.

 

[Isabella]

By giving them the ending you only mean it's a reference to Aerith, not a love clue, right?

 

[Dashell]

Give me a reasonable explanation why it does involve Aerith.

Flowers have always been associated with Aerith, why do they suddenly not?

By giving them the ending you only mean it's a reference to Aerith, not a love clue, right?

Right, I don't think it's true love, but I do understand why they see it as a love clue.

 

[Isabella]

For it to be a love clue, SE must delibrately be keeping the conclusion to their story a secret. Again, do I have to mention how silly that idea is?

 

[Dashell]

Right which is why I don't like it when people say it's up in the air. It's not, you just have to look at the evidence, not doubt the creators and really ... no offense to anyone reading this, but use common sense.

 

[Vendel]

Right which is why I don't like it when people say it's up in the air. It's not, you just have to look at the evidence, not doubt the creators and really ... no offense to anyone reading this, but use common sense.

But you are fine "giving them" the ending of dissidia amongst other things.

Again Why the fuck would SE be giving us "Clerith hints" in the compilation? And why would you give in to such a notion? For the pinkers sake?

 

[Dashell]

Again, it's NOT a Clerith hint, but I can see how they'd take it as such. The only reason I give it to them is because I don't have a reason for why there's flowers there other than Aerith. I give them that it's Aerith and I understand why they view it as love... disagree of course...

Again if you have an explanation, I'll listen.

 

[Vendel]

Again, it's NOT a Clerith hint, but I can see how they'd take it as such. The only reason I give it to them is because I don't have a reason for why there's flowers there other than Aerith. I give them that it's Aerith and I understand why they view it as love... disagree of course...

Again Q. Just because you don't agree with it you are still "giving them" their clerith hints. You are admitting you are doing this.

My question is why?

 

[Dashell]

So they have the flowers at the end of Dissidia, what does CxT have? A whole hell of a lot more. I don't see it as a huge issue. They can have one little reference to Aerith.

Cloti's totally canon, you can't convince me otherwise, so if Square does something to make the Clerith fans happy, it doesn't change the fact that CxT has loads more evidence and is canon. So to me, it doesn't matter if they have one little hint, it doesn't change a thing, so you know, just let them have it.

 

[Vendel]

So to me, it doesn't matter if they have one little hint, it doesn't change a thing, so you know, just let them have it.

It's the principle of the thing Q. Why give into the notion that the compilation is giving clerith hints? It is ...well silly to quote someone.

Just a reminder. THESE are the people you are placating.

Spoiler

Do you feel silly now?

 

[Dashell]

No, are those people even still there?
Try quoting something new like Aerith being like the virgin Mary because of the lilies she carries...

And for the last time it's NOT I repeat NOT a Clerith hint. NOT NOT NOT A CLERITH HINT

It's a nod to Aerith, and that's all it is. If they want to see it as Clerith that's fine, I disagree, I understand where they're coming from because they see the whole compilation as Clerith, but I don't think it's a Clerith hint.

 

[Isabella]

I love the irony of the second one.

 

[Vendel]

No, are those people even still there?

Does it really matter?

And for the last time it's NOT I repeat NOT a Clerith hint. NOT NOT NOT A CLERITH HINT

It's a nod to Aerith, and that's all it is. If they want to see it as Clerith that's fine, I disagree, I understand where they're coming from because they see the whole compilation as Clerith, but I don't think it's a Clerith hint.

Again Q. Just because you say it isn't a clerith hint doesn't mean much. When you admit they will take it as such. Then saying you will "let them have it". Again one must ask why? It's like confessing to a crime but still insisting it doesn't mean you did anything wrong.

I love the irony of the second one.

Yeah. And said without batting an eye I would think.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Holy shit, have you guys really been at this all night? XD I kept checking in every once in a while on my cell phone and going "Wtf." XD

Anyway, guys, have you all forgotten the LTD article in my plot analysis FAQ already? I already explained why the flowers are both a reference to Aerith and not necessarily indicative of a CloudxAerith conclusion:

Even in Dissidia: Final Fantasy when he mentions "something that happened before" while talking to Terra about his doubts over being able to save anyone, this is applicable to both of those he was unable to save in his past.

One of two exceptions to this parallel applicability in Dissidia is the field of flowers that appears in the game's ending. Cloud decides during Dissidia to share Firion's dream of a world filled with flowers, and when he returns to his world, it's in a flower field similar to the one seen at the end of Advent Children.

Certainly a reference to Aerith, as was an earlier comment following his final battle of the game with Sephiroth. There, Cloud said, "The one I really want to meet is ..." and trailed off.

Given Cloud's desire to see Aerith again and get her forgiveness, however, neither this line nor the field of flowers are necessarily romantic.

If anything, Cloud's dream of a field of flowers is the symbol of his redemption for the sins he believed he'd committed. It is ultimately in such a field that he meets Aerith in Advent Children, and while there, he says only that he wants her forgiveness. There are no words of longing. Just a desire to receive forgiveness.

 

[Dashell]

Tres will be my new god

 

[Isabella]

I think my and Vendel's issue, Q, is not that YOU think it's a love hint, but that by saying you're fine with them thinking so you're giving the idea of secret love clues legitimacy. It's Blue's Clues again.

 

[Dashell]

I haven't been in this debate as long as you guys have so I don't have the... desire to see the other side as miserable as some of you do. So if one little thing makes them happy, then yay. But really, I don't back their idea that there's little hints here and there and I think I've said that. Nojima and Nomura are not these puzzle masters who drop hints that we're supposed to put together. They tell you straight up what the deal is.

Cloud was happy with Tifa = Cloud was happy with Tifa. Not "Well let's look at this and that and THEN go over what he said with a fine tooth comb"

Cait Sith is rarely correct = Cait Sith is rarely correct. Not "well if we take every single quote about Cait Sith and look at it this way and that way what 'rarely correct' means is that he doesn't answer your questions but is really correct all the time.

But the thing with Dissidia's ending is that it's a clear reference to Aerith. I don't think it's romantic, but if someone out there has seen the entire compilation as Clerith, then I can totally understand why they see the ending as Clerith. And really it's not even a hint, it's a "HERE'S FLOWERS TO SHOW YOU CLOUD LOVES AERITH CAUSE WE'VE DONE THAT THE WHOLE COMPILATION IS SHOWN YOU CLOUD LOVES AERITH AND HERE'S MORE STUFFS!"... not really a hint.

The stuff I really don't like is the thing about ribbons and what not...

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I get what Que is saying. She's just saying that she gets that someone who already has this view of the Compilation as one of the most beautiful love stories ever constructed is inevitably going to see a reflection of it in that ending.

I believe she herself is implying that she's not "giving them the point" so much as saying, "I really don't give a shit, because, hey, look at stuff like the Nojima Statement." She's not saying she encourages the "Blue's Clues" approach -- still love that term for it XD -- so much as she's saying, "Even if, for the sake of argument, you were to concede that ending as one point for CloudxAerith, the ball game is still a shut-out."