LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Isabella]

Although truth be told I am more than willing to let a lady finish first.

You didn't let me the other day.

 

[Dashell]

I think the ambiguity would be removed with better graphics and voice acting alone. You wouldn't even need to change anything.

Oh God no...

OMG HE MADE A HALF SMILE AT AERITH THAT LOOKS SO MUCH BETTER THAN HIS SMILE AT TIFA!
And analogies on how voices sounded... I don't think I want that.

Maybe they'd even make the chemistry between CxA more obvious to make it an even juicier red-herring.

oh god... no, we'd never live it down

 

[Vendel]

You didn't let me the other day.

I said I was willing. I didn't say I would wait all day. I got places to be.


Something was on my mind tonight. Just how are Cloud and Tifa supposed to act around each other in AC according to the pinkers? And just how do they think Cloud and Aerith would be around each other?

I was thinking of Wakka a Lulu. And other than the baby they have even less "evidence" for a relationship than C/T. I mean these two are not consistently over each other and declaring their love etc etc. May I even say they are subdued.

Also they like to bring up Barret and others not "moving on" and still loving their lost SO. But Lulu was engaged wasn't she? And she damn well moved on. So what Lulu is allowed but not Cloud to the pinkers?

And I'm sorry but Yuna and Tidus are not a parallel. T was suffering from some critical existence failure for those two years. Also Yuna as far as I can tell was not trying to be with him for those two years.

I am curious. Because to me C/T act just like two rather subdued people who have been together for years act.

 

[Dashell]

C/T didn't hug, kiss or anything of the sort so they can't be a couple. Aerith and Cloud are the right couple... they didn't hug or kiss because people don't do that in Japan... wait...

 

[Isabella]

Double standards are fun! What's most fun is they don't seem to realize they do it.

Hey Quex, any updates from your pal on that 3rd highwind scene?

OT but why the hell are folks here posting instead of out celebrating the new year? Oh, and before you ask, I have the excuse of having to work. News still happens, damn it.

 

[Dashell]

Hey Quex, any updates from your pal on that 3rd highwind scene?

You'll find your answer here actually:
http://clerith.com/Ultimania FAQ4.htm

*not linking so people can pick apart and mock it, I want you guys to notice something*

 

[Vendel]

You'll find your answer here actually:
http://clerith.com/Ultimania FAQ4.htm

*not linking so people can pick apart and mock it, I want you guys to notice something*

I noticed when I found this months ago that the ultimania FAQ is just pages upon pages of more and anti-Cloti BS. And the Aertih parts were sorely lacking in anything.



And I really do want someone to explain to me just how C/T are supposed to act to show that they are a couple? Because as I have said they have many more intimate moments than Wakka and Lulu. Or hell Cid and whats her name.

 

[Isabella]

Ugh. Ok, she's saying there are two. I guess that's progress. But what did you want us to notice? Just that, or is there something else?

 

[Dashell]

Just that

EDIT:
you know I guess I don't feel every bit of Clerith evidence needs to be refuted like they think every bit of Cloti evidence has to be refuted. I mean hell I'll give them the ending of Dissidia and a couple things in FFVII, they should let us have feelings for each other

 

[Vendel]

Ugh. Ok, she's saying there are two. I guess that's progress. But what did you want us to notice? Just that, or is there something else?

Maybe we are supposed to notice that in Pinker land creator quotes that are supposed to be explanations for the series need vast explanations to show why they are in fact not pro-C/T.

you know I guess I don't feel every bit of Clerith evidence needs to be refuted like they think every bit of Cloti evidence has to be refuted. I mean hell I'll give them the ending of Dissidia and a couple things in FFVII, they should let us have feelings for each other

Fuck that. I am not giving them anything.

 

[Dashell]

Vendel

and Ill repeat since you missed it:
you know I guess I don't feel every bit of Clerith evidence needs to be refuted like they think every bit of Cloti evidence has to be refuted. I mean hell I'll give them the ending of Dissidia and a couple things in FFVII, they should let us have feelings for each other

 

[Vendel]

Vendel

and Ill repeat since you missed it:
you know I guess I don't feel every bit of Clerith evidence needs to be refuted like they think every bit of Cloti evidence has to be refuted. I mean hell I'll give them the ending of Dissidia and a couple things in FFVII, they should let us have feelings for each other

I bet you feel silly.

Also. WHAT FEELINGS Q? Tell you what. They give you the proper fucking meaning for that statement. Then I will give them anything else they want. Because it wouldn't matter one flying fuck.

 

[Dashell]

Okay so what's your answer to Cloud walking through the flowers at the end of Dissidia that are a prefect match for Aerith's flowers?

 

[Isabella]

You have to have a little bit of sympathy, Vendel. Imagine dedicating 12 years of your life to something, filling a web site with essay after essay until you develop carpal tunnel. You'd have a little trouble conceding, too.

 

[Vendel]

Okay so what's your answer to Cloud walking through the flowers at the end of Dissidia that are a prefect match for Aerith's flowers?

The claim that the ending of that game is some clerith hint is BS.

But honestly I could give two shits if he is humping her fucking corpse in a church at the end of Dissisia.


EDIT: I had a long night at work Bella. My sympathy has run dry until I get some sleep I think.

 

[Dashell]

You have to have a little bit of sympathy, Vendel. Imagine dedicating 12 years of your life to something, filling a web site with essay after essay until you develop carpal tunnel. You'd have a little trouble conceding, too.

Well she doesn't write all the essays herself. It's a group effort. And the CT came from debating I think... not that it matters

The claim that the ending of that game is some clerith hint is BS.

But you don't seem to have an explanation for what it is... I'm not saying it's a huge Clerith hint BTW, but those flowers are all about Aerith.

 

[Vendel]

But you don't seem to have an explanation for what it is... I'm not saying it's a huge Clerith hint BTW, but those flowers are all about Aerith.

Explain to me why the flowers are about Aerith.

I would love to hear this.

 

[Dashell]

you'd be going against the creators to say that Aerith did not = flowers. Nomura has stated this:
"In Aerith's case, she continually has the "flower" image all through-out the series." ~Nomura interview; Dengeki Mao magazine, Oct. 2007

Notice he says "series" and not just "Compilation." We all ready know that Dissidia is part of the Final Fantasy series so it's safe to assume whenever FFVII and flowers are involved, Aerith is most likely involved as well. What else would the flowers be there for? Shits and giggles? SHITS AND GIGGLES? And they're the exact same flowers that are in Aerith's church.

What else could they possibly mean?

 

[Isabella]

I hate this whole idea of "hints." I don't doubt it's meant as a nod to Aerith, but is every Aerith reference a secret clue about Cloud's love life? Is there really a secret answer locked in a vault somewhere? Am I the only one who thinks the very idea is ridiculous?

 

[Dashell]

FYI I'm not saying the flowers mean Cloud is Aerith's true lurve or anything, but the flowers are, as you put it, a nod to Aerith. Why there's a nod to Aerith would depend on your view of the compilation.

EDIT
Oh sorry you said they WEREN'T a nod to Aerith... but then why are they there at all?

 

[Isabella]

There are nods to Zack as well. If one's view of the comp is that Cloud and Zack were butt buddies, does that mean SE put the references there for the purpose of encouraging such a view?

 

[Dashell]

Okay lemme try again

There are nods to Zack as well. If one's view of the comp is that Cloud and Zack were butt buddies, does that mean SE put the references there for the purpose of encouraging such a view?

I mean why the flowers are there as an Aerith reference is up to your view on the compilation.
I always saw it as Aerith leading him back to his world really... others see it as true lurve.

 

[Vendel]

... but then why are they there at all?

Holy shit Squall was in the same shot as the flowers. it's crossover love.

And what his name looked at a flower. It's A them clue!

And Q I don't buy any time we see a fucking flower in some way that is somehow involved with FFVII it is an Aerith reference. And I don't care that you have some pinker cited quote from some magazine as proof of such.

 

[Dashell]

Holy shit Squall was in the same shot as the flowers. it's crossover love.

So they killed two birds with one stone. ... and who is whathisname?

Also I'd still like an answer, what do the flowers mean if they are not a reference to Aerith?

 

[Vendel]

Also I'd still like an answer, what do the flowers mean if they are not a reference to Aerith?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar Q.