LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Dashell]

"Even if, for the sake of argument, you were to concede that ending as one point for CloudxAerith, the ball game is still a shut-out."

THANK YOU

 

[Isabella]

XD Fair enough.

Isn't the whole Blues Clues approach contadictory to the idea of "up to interpretation," anyway? If they're dropping clues in there that you need the special pink decoder ring to solve, wouldn't that mean there is a concrete answer?

And for the record, I do think there's ambiguity in Cloud's feelings for Aerith. I don't view things quite as black and white as Vendel does.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Isn't the whole Blues Clues approach contadictory to the idea of "up to interpretation," anyway? If they're dropping clues in there that you need the special pink decoder ring to solve, wouldn't that mean there is a concrete answer?

Yes.

And for the record, I do think there's ambiguity in Cloud's feelings for Aerith. I don't view things quite as black and white as Vendel does.

The Old Testament Jehovah doesn't see things as black and white as Vendel does.

 

[Madame Mayor]

I haven't been in this debate as long as you guys have so I don't have the... desire to see the other side as miserable as some of you do.

Because by not giving into their delusions, people therefore want to see them miserable... right. Sometimes calling people out on their BS is simply that.

The dream in the game shared by Cloud is a world filled with flowers, and at the end of the game Cloud is standing in flowers.

 

[Ryushikaze]

It could be a shout out to Aerith, but if it is, then why was it not stated as such?
Hell, it's not like most all the other references in the end of the game didn't get mention, no matter how blatant or obscure.
Cornelia castle is a reference worth calling out, but not the flowers.
The way Zidane left was a reference worth calling out, for crying out loud, but not the flowers.

Never look outside a story for meaning when meaning already exists internally.
The flowers are yet again, the peaceful world full of wildflowers. And part of that peaceful world for Cloud is letting go of his guilt so he can be happy with those who make him happy- of not being held back by that guilt, so arguably, Aerith is referenced by those flowers, but so too is Zack by that ken.

 

[Vendel]

And for the record, I do think there's ambiguity in Cloud's feelings for Aerith. I don't view things quite as black and white as Vendel does.

If going by the compilation and looking for ambiguity. I would say it is just as likely, if not more so that Cloud wanted to get into Zack's pants.

But I don't feel the need to play that game.

Because by not giving into their delusions, people therefore want to see them miserable... right. Sometimes calling people out on their BS is simply that.

This.

 

[Isabella]

Because by not giving into their delusions, people therefore want to see them miserable... right. Sometimes calling people out on their BS is simply tha.

I meant to comment on this. We don't want to see them miserable, Q. This isn't personal. It's a silly Internet debate and shouldn't be viewed as anything more than an amusing time waster. If the debate is making them miserable or if a post makes them cry, they're too emotionally invested and should step away from the computer. Simple as that.

 

[Fairheartstrife]

I'm with Bella on this. Anyone who gets their feelings hurt via internet needs to take a breath, step away from the computer and go find a REAL life. It doesn't even have to be a spectacular life, but seriously. Especially if tears are being shed over something as inconsequential as a fictional pairing.

If going by the compilation and looking for ambiguity. I would say it is just as likely, if not more so that Cloud wanted to get into Zack's pants.

And who can blame him?!? Zack's pixelated and I still want to get in his pants.

 

[Dashell]

It was the comment that I shouldn't even let them have one bit of Clerith evidence if I support CxT and that I should feel silly to ever placate them that made me say that. I really don't see the harm in letting them enjoy a couple Clerithy moments if it makes them that happy.

Plus I really don't think linking Aerith to flowers is bullshit. There's a lot of other Clerith evidence worse than that. Call them out on ribbons, fake fortune telling, and monkeys, but coming to the conclusion that Aerith = flowers really isn't that far fetched, especially since the creators have stated such.

Hell, it's not like most all the other references in the end of the game didn't get mention, no matter how blatant or obscure.
Cornelia castle is a reference worth calling out, but not the flowers.
The way Zidane left was a reference worth calling out, for crying out loud, but not the flowers.

Speaking of, is it official stated somewhere that Squall's crystal wing thingy is a reference to Riona?

 

[paoo]

Plus I really don't think linking Aerith to flowers is bullshit. There's a lot of other Clerith evidence worse than that. Call them out on ribbons, fake fortune telling, and monkeys, but coming to the conclusion that Aerith = flowers really isn't that far fetched, especially since the creators have stated such

Yeah, I do agree a little about this.. Aerith is often connected with flowers. And then of course, CloudxAerith shippers believe that it's some kind of evidence when Cloud dissapears into a big flowerfield. Anyway.. I thought that Cloud shared a dream with.. someone? It wasn't his own dream? I'm feeling a little lost, it's been awhile since I posted here.

We are talking about that Dissidia thingy, right? <_<

 

[Dashell]

I thought that Cloud shared a dream with.. someone? It wasn't his own dream?

Yeah I think Ryu said that... and just to point it out, I think a lot of people arguing that the ending of Dissidia is Clerith haven't actually played the game
NOT that that makes it right for them to think that, but that's just another reason they come to that conclusion.

 

[Super Mario]

CLOUDY SHARED THE DREAM WITH TINA BRANFORD YO. Not Zack, Not Aerith...Somewhat for Tifa yes. He shares the dreams of two women! that two timer!



I'd like to discuss one thing. See a while back I saw some scenes with Jecht and his wife conversing romantically in The Game, this somewhat reminds me of what Cloudy and Tifa might become in the long run should the compilation show us.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

Speaking of, is it official stated somewhere that Squall's crystal wing thingy is a reference to Riona?

I don't think we even know what that damn crystal is yet, much less who or what it could conceivably reference. XD To me, it looks more like it resembles Gunblades than anything.

It could be a shout out to Aerith, but if it is, then why was it not stated as such?
Hell, it's not like most all the other references in the end of the game didn't get mention, no matter how blatant or obscure.
Cornelia castle is a reference worth calling out, but not the flowers.
The way Zidane left was a reference worth calling out, for crying out loud, but not the flowers.

In fairness, not every reference was identified by the Ultimania. The "Maybe he wished it on a star" line is obviously related to Cloud and Tifa's promise, but this wasn't pointed out.

 

[Super Mario]

I've gone through some DO's but no references to Tifa. why? : '(

 

[Ryushikaze]

I don't think we even know what that damn crystal is yet, much less who or what it could conceivably reference. XD To me, it looks more like it resembles Gunblades than anything.

I think it looks like a draw point at times.

In fairness, not every reference was identified by the Ultimania. The "Maybe he wished it on a star" line is obviously related to Cloud and Tifa's promise, but this wasn't pointed out.

True, though I was just referring to stuff in the ending sequence, the rest of which all seemed to get mention.

 

[Super Mario]

Squall's crystal looks like a compass than a gunblade man.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

I've gone through some DO's but no references to Tifa. why? : '(

She does get that one I just mentioned.

True, though I was just referring to stuff in the ending sequence, the rest of which all seemed to get mention.

Not the moon or snow for IV and VI, though. Though the moon is obvious based on just Dissidia alone, and may not require identification, the snowflake isn't.

So there is a precedent.

For that matter, the flowerfield also works as a symbol for Squall and Rinoa, but only the feather was identified.

 

[Super Mario]

It was really good of them to reference VII and VIII in one shot there.

 

[Isabella]

The "Maybe he wished it on a star" line is obviously related to Cloud and Tifa's promise, but this wasn't pointed out.

Ah, but it's been stated elsewhere that star imagery has nothing to do with Tifa, and that you Clotis pull stuff out of your ass. Stop being so rabid, Tres.

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

It was really good of them to reference VII and VIII in one shot there.

Yeah, I loved that. Pretty clever.

Ah, but it's been stated elsewhere that star imagery has nothing to do with Tifa, and that you Clotis pull stuff out of your ass. Stop being so rabid, Tres.

Ah, that's right. Forgot about the Ultimania entry that says that very thing.

 

[Isabella]

Wait, is there really an entry on that? I didn't know that. XD

In more important news, I've somehow made it back into the top 5 for thanked posts. Now everyone needs to thank the shit out of my posts so I can catch Ryu.

 

[Ryushikaze]

And then you can thank mine to catch up to Bella.

And no, there's no explicit entry as far as I know, I think he was referring to the entry 'stating' star imagery has nothing to do with Tifa and Clotis pull stuff from nowhere and are rabid.

 

[Super Mario]

Could tina represent Tifa?

 

[The Twilight Mexican]

And no, there's no explicit entry as far as I know, I think he was referring to the entry 'stating' star imagery has nothing to do with Tifa and Clotis pull stuff from nowhere and are rabid.

That would be the one.

Nojima: "Clotis are so full of shit."

 

[Isabella]

Awesome! Did Nojima ID Ryu in particular, being the sultan of clotidom, the high priest of delusion?