LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

[Vendel]

I think it's about Zack being a womanizing whore and Cloud being an asexual virgin. Something along those lines.

Hey...Tifa is also a whore right? Her and Zack are perfect for each other!

Cloud on the other hand doesn't want to feel a woman unless she is inside him.

 

[Isabella]

Zack and Tifa are star-crossed lovers, you know. Certainly more than Zack and Aerith could ever be.

 

[jelly]

Don't forget the C/T argument that C/T folks never seem to use and which begs the C/A question anyways

I couldn't help but think you were referring to my thread at TFC. :p

Anyways, I'm wondering why other people debate about the LT. How many of you actually like Cloti or do you just like what's canon? If Cloti wasn't canon would you not like it anymore? I thought Quexinos' proposed sig. pic was funny and cute, but I was just wondering. ^^

As for Cleriths.. I don't know, it seems like they keep saying there's nothing that's canon, but they keep trying to show merchandise, commercials and sayings from Japanese people as if Japanese people liking a pair makes it more canon.

Also, I want to know if there's anyone else besides me and TresDias who thought it leaned more toward CloudxAerith before the compilation. I didn't think Cloud and Tifa had sex, let alone confirmed anything. So I wasn't really convinced until I saw that scan. Even then, I still don't think they had sex. lol And I still don't think they were sharing a room either when Tifa asked, "Do you love me?"

I think Cleriths have a point that until the creators directly say it, this is never going to be over. I'm not disagreeing with most Clotis' interpretation of that scan. But I know that if there's a remake or another spin-off they're more likely going to tweak and pull some strings again. There's a reason why that pretty much everything Cloud says in Dissidia doesn't make sense. When he says, "No thanks. The one I really want to meet is.."[FONT=verdana,arial] they don't make him finish on purpose so both Clotis and Cleriths can bicker over it.

Anyways, that's just what I think.
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[Gym Leader Devil]

If they weren't sharing a room, then why was Tifa there watching him sleep when she asked the infamous "Do you love me?" question? Is she, indeed, the creepy bitch who sneaks into Cloud's room at night uninvited to watch him sleep and ask creepy questions? Cause that isn't something I see from Tifa's character, like at all.

 

[jelly]

No, of course I don't think Tifa is a creepy bitch. ^^

I always imagined that he was taking a nap on the sofa or something and she was just walking by. :p

There's little to no context describing that part. So I think it was another gimmick to rile people up. :3

 

[Ryushikaze]

I couldn't help but think you were referring to my thread at TFC. :p

No no, I'm specifically referring to a recent little screed by FFG where she talks about the 'C/T version of events' in which Cloud is still in love with Aerith and runs off to be with her in AC. It's longer and full of long and epic fail, but that's the short version of it.

Anyways, I'm wondering why other people debate about the LT. How many of you actually like Cloti or do you just like what's canon?

Irrelevant. I like what I like, but I note what it canon. I do not like that Greedo shot noticably first in SWIVSE, but he did, and I note that. I also notice he shot less noticably first, and Han didn't fire 'in response' in the reremaster, and I like that better.

If Cloti wasn't canon would you not like it anymore? I thought Quexinos' proposed sig. pic was funny and cute, but I was just wondering. ^^

As we've said time and again, none of this is about 'liking' the pair. Liking it and it being true are unrelated concepts.

As for Cleriths.. I don't know, it seems like they keep saying there's nothing that's canon, but they keep trying to show merchandise, commercials and sayings from Japanese people as if Japanese people liking a pair makes it more canon.

Saying different things out of opposite sides of their mouth. What else is new?

Also, I want to know if there's anyone else besides me and TresDias who thought it leaned more toward CloudxAerith before the compilation. I didn't think Cloud and Tifa had sex, let alone confirmed anything. So I wasn't really convinced until I saw that scan. Even then, I still don't think they had sex. lol And I still don't think they were sharing a room either when Tifa asked, "Do you love me?"

Despite sharing a room being the general expectation of fictional couples, even ones going through rough patches in their relationships?

I think Cleriths have a point that until the creators directly say it, this is never going to be over. I'm not disagreeing with most Clotis' interpretation of that scan. But I know that if there's a remake or another spin-off they're more likely going to tweak and pull some strings again. There's a reason why that pretty much everything Cloud says in Dissidia doesn't make sense. When he says, "No thanks. The one I really want to meet is.."[FONT=verdana,arial] they don't make him finish on purpose so both Clotis and Cleriths can bicker over it.

Or because it's not relevant to the story. Because it's dealt with in its own story, much like how Cecil and Golby raise plot threads not concluded til FFIV:TA

No, of course I don't think Tifa is a creepy bitch. ^^

I always imagined that he was taking a nap on the sofa or something and she was just walking by. :p

There's little to no context describing that part. So I think it was another gimmick to rile people up. :3

'Tifa waited until Cloud was asleep' implies late at night, after he has fallen asleep where he normally does. As does the 'even if she waited' etc.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

^This.

 

[jelly]

No no, I'm specifically referring to a recent little screed by FFG where she talks about the 'C/T version of events' in which Cloud is still in love with Aerith and runs off to be with her in AC. It's longer and full of long and epic fail, but that's the short version of it.

Oh ok, ^^;

Irrelevant. I like what I like, but I note what it canon. I do not like that Greedo shot noticably first in SWIVSE, but he did, and I note that. I also notice he shot less noticably first, and Han didn't fire 'in response' in the reremaster, and I like that better.

I know it's irrelevant when debating about TxCxA. I was just wondering. (:

Despite sharing a room being the general expectation of fictional couples, even ones going through rough patches in their relationships?

I agree that it's weird for couples to not share a room. But the only time where it's explicitly stated who Tifa shares a room with is when it mentions Marlene. Some people think that after Barret left, Cloud moved in Tifa's room and then Marlene had her own room. And I get the idea of sharing rooms because it's kind of crowded with 4 people. But why didn't Cloud and Tifa always share a room and have Marlene in her own room even before Barret left?

Or because it's not relevant to the story. Because it's dealt with in its own story, much like how Cecil and Golby raise plot threads not concluded til FFIV:TA

I don't know what FFIV:TA is. xD; Well if you're implying that it takes place before FF7, then I wouldn't understand why they would put the bit about Cloud wanting forgiveness and the flower field and things like that. And yeah, I know that Aerith means flowers but not all flowers mean Aerith. But it looks the same in the movie. :\ I'll admit right now that I haven't played Dissidia. So I don't have a strong opinion on who Cloud wanted to see. I was just saying the creators like to make it vague on purpose.

'Tifa waited until Cloud was asleep' implies late at night, after he has fallen asleep where he normally does. As does the 'even if she waited' etc.

Hmm, I don't think it would be weird if Tifa waited for him to fall asleep during his nap... And I don't remember it saying that he fell asleep where he normally does. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[Dashell]

What's this "Which girlfriend did Zack plan to ask for help" quote?
From here?

(Zack's info, p.83)

“Zack loves women, a real lady’s man” Like what Aerith recalled in FF7, Zack is very good at hitting on girls, and is skilled at flirting. In BC, he used to compliment a female member of Turks during a mission; in CC, he also invited Cessnei, a member from Turks, to dine together. Since “one who steals an egg will steal an ox”, Zack’s girlfriend, Aerith, maybe felt impatient about this….?

*caption:
1. On the way of escape to Midgar, which girlfriend did he plan to ask help for?
2. In chap.8 of BC, during the mission in Iceburg, Zack praised a female member of Turk. (ps:He's saying "Yuko is more beautiful!" in this graphic...

I was told that no official source ever said Zack flirted with other girls, so what's this?

 

[Celes Chere]

OMG proof Zack is a cheating bastard. Deep in my heart, I knew it was true. /eye roll goes here/

 

[Dashell]

Just to clarify with someone who played the game, he asked Cissnei out BEFORE he met Aerith, correct? What about the female turk?

OMG proof Zack is a cheating bastard. Deep in my heart, I knew it was true. /eye roll goes here/

Yeah stop that, I was asking a question. I' not saying "OMG ZACK IS SCUM!" I want to clarify the information because I'm tired of people saying Zack is a jerk and what not.

 

[jelly]

I don't know anything about BC. But hopefully this might have a clearer translation for you.

"A guy who loves girls a lot" - That was what Aerith reflected on in FFVII, that Zack had a flirtatious streak, and was experienced in the treatment of the fairer sex. In BC, he gave compliments enough to set one's teeth on edge to a female Turk member who was together with him on the same mission. As expected, there was a scene whereby he invited Cissnei, a young lady from the Turks, to a meal in CC. As a result of being able to surmise everything from each small deed, Aerith, who was in love with Zack, might perhaps have been jealous many times seeing all that...

(under FFVII SC)Fleeing towards Midgar, means intending to be under the care of one of his many girlfriends?

(under BC SC)Zack who was complimenting female Turk who had become his partner during Chapter 8 of BC, surprising her.

This is from http://ultimania.ff7compilation.net/profile/zack.php

 

[Dashell]

Hmm... okay thanks but... did he "flirt" with the female turk before or after he met Aerith?

 

[Celes Chere]

Dude... it was a joke.. chill out.

 

[Dashell]

... what?

(11:52:44 PM) Everybody'sGrudge: Ack, Estelle said a swear!
(11:52:50 PM) Everybody'sGrudge: To you!

I don't see any swearing. I demand you swear

Sorry I guess you weren't saying that to me but about the text, I get it, my bad
I really didn't mean to sound assholeish though

 

[Ryushikaze]

Oh ok, ^^;

I know it's irrelevant when debating about TxCxA. I was just wondering. (:

Fair enoof. Still not answering.

I agree that it's weird for couples to not share a room. But the only time where it's explicitly stated who Tifa shares a room with is when it mentions Marlene. Some people think that after Barret left, Cloud moved in Tifa's room and then Marlene had her own room. And I get the idea of sharing rooms because it's kind of crowded with 4 people. But why didn't Cloud and Tifa always share a room and have Marlene in her own room even before Barret left?

It actually says nothing about where Cloud sleeps at that point. For all we know, Cloud and Tifa had a room already and Marlene kept crawling into bed with Tifa.

I don't know what FFIV:TA is xD;

Final Fantasy IV: The After

Well if you're implying that it takes place before FF7, then I wouldn't understand why they would put the bit about Cloud wanting forgiveness and the flower field and things like that. And yeah, I know that Aerith means flowers but not all flowers mean Aerith. But it looks the same in the movie. :\ I'll admit right now that I haven't played Dissidia. So I don't have a strong opinion on who Cloud wanted to see. I was just saying the creators like to make it vague on purpose.

Yes, to engender discussion and thinking about the plot. Not for the valendamned LTD.

Hmm, I don't think it would be weird if Tifa waited for him to fall asleep during his nap... And I don't remember it saying that he fell asleep where he normally does. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

No, but in fiction, you generally note the exceptions unless you want folks to consider the most regular instance. If you don't specify where someone sleeps, an audience assumes a bed, if you don't include action or indicators of it, the audience assumes none. And when you include 'waited until morning' in a description, the audience assumes the middle of the night in bed, not 'passed out on the couch.'

What's this "Which girlfriend did Zack plan to ask for help" quote?
From here?

I was told that no official source ever said Zack flirted with other girls, so what's this?

No, we said he didn't 'hit on other girls after dating Aerith', and considering he 'flirts' with 'women' the same as he 'flirts' with guys like Cloud...

 

[Celes Chere]

I edited, because it sounded too harsh for what I wanted to say. =P

Was that on a chat? :/ It's interesting that I was just 'tattled' on.

 

[Dashell]

No, we said he didn't 'hit on other girls after dating Aerith', and considering he 'flirts' with 'women' the same as he 'flirts' with guys like Cloud...

... yes?

Was that on a chat? :/ It's interesting that I was just 'tattled' on.

Oh whoops.. no not tattled, we were talking about things going on on the forum is all.

 

[Celes Chere]

Suuure.

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

I was being sarcastic in a "Oh no, someone said a swear! Whatever will we do?!" kinda way. I intended to finish with a "pfft, fuck it" for irony, but got interrupted

 

[Celes Chere]

I miss ya, EG! I should hop on MSN one of these days.

Oh, rite. Continue with your LTD.

-leaves-

 

[Gym Leader Devil]

There is no LTD. We're all just wasting our time here. I'm not sure why.

Also, Celes missed me. I = Win

 

[jelly]

Fair enoof. Still not answering.

Alright ):

It actually says nothing about where Cloud sleeps at that point. For all we know, Cloud and Tifa had a room already and Marlene kept crawling into bed with Tifa.

Yeah... I think that's a lot to assume in my opinion. I'm just going to assume the null and take it for what it literally says. Marlene often slept with Tifa. Not Tifa and Cloud.

Yes, to engender discussion and thinking about the plot. Not for the valendamned LTD.

It can be about the LTD as much as it can't be... in my opinion.

No, but in fiction, you generally note the exceptions unless you want folks to consider the most regular instance. If you don't specify where someone sleeps, an audience assumes a bed, if you don't include action or indicators of it, the audience assumes none. And when you include 'waited until morning' in a description, the audience assumes the middle of the night in bed, not 'passed out on the couch.'

Again, I would normally assume the null and that Cloud was sleeping on a bed. But I was just following from my earlier assumption that they don't share a room so she wouldn't be sleeping next to him.

Hmm... okay thanks but... did he "flirt" with the female turk before or after he met Aerith?

I have no idea ~.~

 

[Winter]

Anyways, I'm wondering why other people debate about the LT. How many of you actually like Cloti or do you just like what's canon? If Cloti wasn't canon would you not like it anymore?

I hate Cloti.

Spoiler

 

[jelly]

I was about to say... Wasn't there a bigger cookie monster? xD