LTD, round 3: This time, we settle it with Jello Wrestling

The one he lives with or the dead one?

  • Living

    Votes: 96 88.9%
  • Dead

    Votes: 12 11.1%

  • Total voters
    108
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Isabella

Your Mom
How does Diss Cloud relate to FF7 Cloud? He doesn't mention being tired of fighting, unless we're talking metaphorically here. And if we are, I'm not sufficiently equipped at 2:30 in the morning.
 

Vendel

Banned
Something that has been on my mind. But a lot of people (not just Cleriths) miss one very important aspect of Cloud and Tifa's relationship.

Through most of FFVII it was Tifa taking care of Cloud. But after the HW scene it was Cloud taking care of Tifa. He goes out of his way to cheer her up on the HW. In CoT we see that he is the one that is her pillar of strength. He is the one that says he will cheer her up when she is down. He is the one that works like a maniac to get supplies for his womens. *whip crack*

It wasn't until Cloud got his bike and got the order for the flowers in the forgotten city that his brain funk takes over. And that was at the earliest several months after 7th Heaven opened up.


I have seen some clerith explanations for this. Mostly (completely) glossing over Clouds role in the relationship at this point. And saying things like Cloud telling Tifa that she is cheerful is proof they don't know each other etc etc etc.
 
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Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
How does Diss Cloud relate to FF7 Cloud? He doesn't mention being tired of fighting, unless we're talking metaphorically here. And if we are, I'm not sufficiently equipped at 2:30 in the morning.

They're the same Cloud, that's how.

He mentions being tired of getting swept up in meaningless battles where he doesn't know what he's fighting for. His whole thing is about finding out what he's fighting for, before moving on, and then he finds it.
 

Isabella

Your Mom
Yeah see that's lame. I don't approve.

@Vendel: I agree. Cloud isn't just a helpless victim in this arrangement. He's an active participant, and for a while there the one actually driving the relationship.
 

Isabella

Your Mom
If D Cloud is supposed to be real Cloud then I want his subplot to somehow relate to Cloud's actual life. I don't get where "fighting meaningless battles" comes from.
 

Makoeyes987

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It's a reference to the fighting that's going on in Dissidia. You know, Dissidia's own unique story that's being told. Which also ties into Cloud wanting to have a personal reason for fighting like he did back in FFVII.
 

Ryushikaze

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Tim, Ryu
If D Cloud is supposed to be real Cloud then I want his subplot to somehow relate to Cloud's actual life. I don't get where "fighting meaningless battles" comes from.

It very probably comes from the memory of the demises of Zack and Aerith. Cloud is weary of fighting and the tolls it takes- granted, I don't doubt several others are equally weary of such, especially Firi- and is basically the one to wonder 'what's it all about, what, really, am I fighting for?' Hence his initially being grouped with Cecil and Tidus- two people with reasons to continue the fighting in the present narrative- and Firion, with whom he finds his narrative mirror, someone fighting for a dream back in his homeworld. That dream, and the peace and happiness it represents is actually relevant to Cloud in FF7 and ACC. Because Cloud's not fighting just to save the world for its own sake, but for private reasons. And in Dissidia, he's not sure what the reason to continue is. And then he gets reminded through Firion that his private reasons for fighting still apply, even in the new world they're in- the peaceful life and safety of those he cares about.

But that's nowhere near as evident as the other stories.
Cloud's as a whole, is largely the weakest of the stories, probably because there's much less need to retread his trials and travails in detail yet again.
 

Isabella

Your Mom
Thanks Ryu. That was the sort of reply I was looking for. What I was trying to say last night through my exhaustion was what hito said-- that Cloud's side story seemed weak to me.
 

Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
You haven't played the game or even seen it, how does it seem weak to you?

People need to stop making blanket judgments without looking at something in its context. :monster:
 

Isabella

Your Mom
How do you know I haven't seen it, or followed discusion about it. I do have access to YouTube and discussion boards, ya know. :monster:
 

Cookie Monster

NOM NOM NOM
WTF is this abomination?

Three threads for this shit?

Who has the ring? Who does he adopt kids with?

Tifa, ladies and gentlemen. Tifa...

Now quit making a mess of this forum with your fangasm spew and accept the fact. The flower girl is dead. And until we see Cloud bumsexing her dead corpse, that fact isn't changing.
 

Makoeyes987

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Smooth Criminal
Cookie Monster just ended the LTD right then and there. Holy shit.

That just fucking settled it...omfg.
 
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