Loxetta
Pro Adventurer
tl;dr warning. From like 50 pages ago, postwhores 
I officially change my stance to say that it wasn't a WEAPON at all. It was just some weird looking rocks that look like a WEAPON and Nomura is giggling at fans flipping out over it.
Yea, but Cloud didn't appear a success. Remember in Crisis Core wandering around the mansion after getting out of the tanks and finding notes lying around the place? They state that Cloud and Zack were both considered failures in the copy project. Yea, Hojo was wrong, but for the book to say the same as a game it's about isn't really all that inconsistent.
I guess it's possible that Hojo would have, but the whole thing feels like a mess. I don't know what I was thinking trying to defend it Just trying to rationalize I guess.
Okay, now I see. That's definately different. Not that different though, the only thing that couldn't be argued about is whether or not the lab assistant opened the tank vs Zack breaking it. A matter of New-overwrites-Old or a matter of flashback-POV.
You know, now that I think about it, that whole leaving the mansion sequence rubs me the wrong way. Two lab specimens break out of a basement lab, and run through the town, only to be attacked by soldiers at the town gate who are there to capture them for escaping. One of the specimens is unconscious and the other is woozy, so they go back to the mansion they just escaped from and just sort of... camp out for the night. And nobody in the army think to go and, I dunno, look around in there maybe? But then the next day the town is crawling with soldiers and then outside of town there's a Turk looking for them?
I mean... what?
Another matter of New-overwrites-Old or flashback-POV, then I'd think. Now that Square developed Zack's character more, guess they just wanted to alter some things to make them fit him more. With what we know about Zack now it's more in-character for him to want to make sure Cloud's hidden.
I wouldn't, from my perception of Turks. They might have talked about it amongst themselves, and probably did, but I'd think when facing Cloud & Co they just kept their business masks on.
They might have also picked up on Cloud being a little nutso. The guy's running around claiming to be a former SOLDIER First Class, which they'd know to be untrue. And Cloud would have denied it anyway.
*bows at your feet*
True enough. What the hell's up with that?[/quote]
Well it was 30 years earlier Maybe the uniform standards changed since back then.
Theory: Shortly before the beginning of the original game, Reno accidentaly set fire to the Turk laundry truck. They all had to wear blue suits until new black suits could be ordered, tailored, and sent, which didn't happen until near the end of the game when they had too much bullshit to take care of to worry about it.
Why do you punish yourself so? It pains me to see it.
It depends on how much 'room' the act would need to slip past Sephiroth's current control. Zack manifesting for a moment of quick communication with Cloud is a lot easier and quicker to pull off compared to Aerith releasing her Rain or dissapating the entire Negative Lifestream. It's like, say, Sephiroth left the front door to a house cracked a few inches. Now, a kitten could manage to get through, but a Great Dane would still not have enough of an avenue to do so.
Did you watch the ending of AC/C? Or Crisis Core? Physical bodies are shown dissolving into Lifestream and leaving nothing behind. Kadaj, Loz, Yazoo, Lazard, numerous Genesis Copies and an Angeal Copy did. It's implied that Zack did so as well, because at the end of CC there is a shot of the cliff he died on and there isn't any body. Where did his body and cellular matter go, if not the Lifestream? A pack of Kalm Fangs certainly didn't come along and scavange it, bones and all.
Yea, okay, but he has to have something that makes him able to have a sway on those people in the first place. Geostigma is a manifestation of the body's rejection of Jenova cells. Sephiroth 'branding them with his will' is just a fancy way of saying he told the Jenova cells to cause a ruckus instead of lying dormant and benign.
Perhaps those that had died before he did simply wasn't a large enough number for him to be satisfied. Which makes perfect sense, since he didn't have enough Negative Lifestream at the end of AC/C to choke the Planet effectively either, even though it had been two years of a world-wide epidemic killing people and fueling him.
How couldn't he control the cells? He was able to control them on the living plane from already in the Lifestream well enough.
See above in my response to Tres. Hojo more than likely didn't think Cloud was a success until meeting him again at the Northern Crater.
I officially change my stance to say that it wasn't a WEAPON at all. It was just some weird looking rocks that look like a WEAPON and Nomura is giggling at fans flipping out over it.
Yea, but Cloud didn't appear a success.
Remember in Crisis Core wandering around the mansion after getting out of the tanks and finding notes lying around the place? They state that Cloud and Zack were both considered failures in the copy project. Yea, Hojo was wrong, but for the book to say the same as a game it's about isn't really all that inconsistent.I guess it's possible that Hojo would have, but the whole thing feels like a mess. I don't know what I was thinking trying to defend it
Just trying to rationalize I guess.Okay, now I see. That's definately different. Not that different though, the only thing that couldn't be argued about is whether or not the lab assistant opened the tank vs Zack breaking it. A matter of New-overwrites-Old or a matter of flashback-POV.
You know, now that I think about it, that whole leaving the mansion sequence rubs me the wrong way. Two lab specimens break out of a basement lab, and run through the town, only to be attacked by soldiers at the town gate who are there to capture them for escaping. One of the specimens is unconscious and the other is woozy, so they go back to the mansion they just escaped from and just sort of... camp out for the night. And nobody in the army think to go and, I dunno, look around in there maybe? But then the next day the town is crawling with soldiers and then outside of town there's a Turk looking for them?
I mean... what?
Another matter of New-overwrites-Old or flashback-POV, then I'd think. Now that Square developed Zack's character more, guess they just wanted to alter some things to make them fit him more. With what we know about Zack now it's more in-character for him to want to make sure Cloud's hidden.
I wouldn't, from my perception of Turks. They might have talked about it amongst themselves, and probably did, but I'd think when facing Cloud & Co they just kept their business masks on.
They might have also picked up on Cloud being a little nutso. The guy's running around claiming to be a former SOLDIER First Class, which they'd know to be untrue. And Cloud would have denied it anyway.
Victory is mine!
*bows at your feet*
True enough. What the hell's up with that?[/quote]
Well it was 30 years earlier
Maybe the uniform standards changed since back then.Theory: Shortly before the beginning of the original game, Reno accidentaly set fire to the Turk laundry truck. They all had to wear blue suits until new black suits could be ordered, tailored, and sent, which didn't happen until near the end of the game when they had too much bullshit to take care of to worry about it.
Yeah, I shouldn't even bother counting its individually wrapped failings.
Why do you punish yourself so? It pains me to see it.
It depends on how much 'room' the act would need to slip past Sephiroth's current control. Zack manifesting for a moment of quick communication with Cloud is a lot easier and quicker to pull off compared to Aerith releasing her Rain or dissapating the entire Negative Lifestream. It's like, say, Sephiroth left the front door to a house cracked a few inches. Now, a kitten could manage to get through, but a Great Dane would still not have enough of an avenue to do so.
Did you watch the ending of AC/C? Or Crisis Core? Physical bodies are shown dissolving into Lifestream and leaving nothing behind. Kadaj, Loz, Yazoo, Lazard, numerous Genesis Copies and an Angeal Copy did. It's implied that Zack did so as well, because at the end of CC there is a shot of the cliff he died on and there isn't any body. Where did his body and cellular matter go, if not the Lifestream? A pack of Kalm Fangs certainly didn't come along and scavange it, bones and all.
Yea, okay, but he has to have something that makes him able to have a sway on those people in the first place. Geostigma is a manifestation of the body's rejection of Jenova cells. Sephiroth 'branding them with his will' is just a fancy way of saying he told the Jenova cells to cause a ruckus instead of lying dormant and benign.
Perhaps those that had died before he did simply wasn't a large enough number for him to be satisfied. Which makes perfect sense, since he didn't have enough Negative Lifestream at the end of AC/C to choke the Planet effectively either, even though it had been two years of a world-wide epidemic killing people and fueling him.
How couldn't he control the cells? He was able to control them on the living plane from already in the Lifestream well enough.
See above in my response to Tres. Hojo more than likely didn't think Cloud was a success until meeting him again at the Northern Crater.
